Abortion
POSTED BY: cartoon
UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 03:33
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I've been away so I'm dragging out some old threads
ShinyEd,
Did you ever wonder WHY I called you a douche bag? Do you mistakenly believe it's because you expressed an opinion? In case you ever did wonder, it's because you lie and hate women.
The first part:
Quote:It's actually NOT the 2nd largest advertiser, or even the 20th. Automobile is much larger. And the ANTI-abortion section of the yellow pages over here - heathen Los Angeles - is slightly over 1/2 page, while the abortion section is a small less than 1/4 page.
America markets abortion like vendors at the stadium ( 2nd largest advertiser in Yellow Pages ) Hey... Abortion ! Abortion ! Abortion !"
The second part:
Quote:WHAT exactly are you saying here? That you hate women? White, male, uneducated, misogynist ... you fit a profile all right. 'Douche bag' was letting you off easy.
No waiting...come on in today...baby-free tonite!
No guilt
No money
No boyfriend/husband...been foolin' 'round?
No scruples...you had good reasons to fuck
No morals...well you are over 8...
No clue who's the proud papa...we luv orgies' by-products
No idea when....we yank it whenever it was made
No age limit...40-90 our specialty...just one shot of our special clamato juice fixes ya right up
No age too low...we won't tell your mommy & daddy...dont worry
No self-esteem....hey now your'e popular I bet
No ability to say no...better to just let the boys get their way...why resist the fun?
No time limit...we got 8 months 30 days...ok!
Cartoon,
"Shiny, better get used to it. Anyone who disagrees with their ideology is a "troll".
Is the problem that you didn't you read ShinyEd's hate-filled post, or that it's so in-line with what you really think you never noticed?
And then of course there's Cankersore who found ShinyEd's post "quite funny".
ShinyEd, Cartoon - when you have Cankersore on your side don't you feel just a little diseased?
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Causal,
Quote:I thought this was pretty one-sided. And it's a trend that shows up in your various posts.
I suppose suggesting that women who don't want babies should either use effective birth-control or just not have sex is probably not going to get much of a hearing.
The other is you keep talking about morality. The problem with morality is that it's a mostly a construct, and leads to all sorts of self-righteous behavior:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/ap_on_re_mi_ea/jordan_honor_killin
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Father kills daughter; doubted virginity
AMMAN, Jordan - A Jordanian man fatally shot his 17-year-old daughter whom he suspected of having sex despite a medical exam that proved her chastity, an official said Thursday. The man surrendered to police hours after the killing, saying he had done it for family honor.
This would not be an 'honourable' thing to do if it were not a moral and religious one as well.
I suggest we keep 'morality' out of law.
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People have to get counseling before the procedure.
It seems obvious that there would be some level of trauma. Did the study look into whether or not the women voluntarily had the abortions? That would probably play a pretty big role in how one mentally functioned in the aftermath.
Lower socioeconomic classes account for the largest percentage of abortions (according to something I saw the other day . . .it might be old) and I think that would be something very hard to control for with any level of accuracy because it's often the case that these people have more problems than others anyway.
That said, the findings aren't surprising (and seem fairly obvious), but also doesn't take into accound a myriad of other conditions that surround this decision.
Off-topic mini rant: Effective sex education and free and easy access to contraception for EVERYONE no questions asked will reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and make the need for studies like this and the ensuing debate mostly pointless.
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I'm fairly certain a fetus can't inhale anything.
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So, speaking of ppl who want to take control of a woman's body....
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A college student who told police she had been raped was jailed for two days after officers found an old warrant accusing her of failing to pay restitution for a 2003 theft arrest. {The victim said that} while she was behind bars, a jail worker refused to give her a second dose of the morning-after contraceptive pill because of the worker's religious convictions the college student's attorney said.
The 21-year-old woman was released Monday only after attorney Vic Moore reported her plight to the local media... Moore said the young woman was not allowed to take the second emergency contraceptive pill until Monday afternoon, a day late, (only) after reporters called police and jail officials... Moore said his client said she paid the fine for what he described as a childish mistake. He didn't have details of that arrest. The woman has no criminal history as an adult, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/jailed.rapevictim.ap/index.html
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So, speaking of ppl who want to take control of a woman's body....Quote:
A college student who told police she had been raped was jailed for two days after officers found an old warrant accusing her of failing to pay restitution for a 2003 theft arrest. {The victim said that} while she was behind bars, a jail worker refused to give her a second dose of the morning-after contraceptive pill because of the worker's religious convictions the college student's attorney said.
The 21-year-old woman was released Monday only after attorney Vic Moore reported her plight to the local media... Moore said the young woman was not allowed to take the second emergency contraceptive pill until Monday afternoon, a day late, (only) after reporters called police and jail officials... Moore said his client said she paid the fine for what he described as a childish mistake. He didn't have details of that arrest. The woman has no criminal history as an adult, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/jailed.rapevictim.ap/index.html
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
That's sick. Add that jail officer to the list of pharmacists that I think should find different jobs.
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"That's sick. Add that jail officer to the list of pharmacists that I think should find different jobs."
That's so polite. I would have said - should be made to find different professions entirely.
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I'm feeling oddly civilized today.
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I have a simple rule on this very specific issue.
IF - you, as a pharmacist, decide to make critical health decisions for someone else based on your own personal perspectives.
THEN - I, as a patient or representative therof, will make some critical health decisions for you, based on my personal perspectives.
Translated: Deny a rape victim morning after pills, and I shall drag you over the counter and pound you silly.
It's one thing to say "I don't feel comfortable with that, here. talk to (other employee) about it" - that's fine and dandy, it's another to refuse entire in a situation where every hour counts and the next nearest pharmacy is almost 2 hours away.
It's not for them to make those kind of decisions for anyone else, no more than a cabbie (and we fired one for this) refusing to accept passengers due to their nationality - if you put yourself in a job where the question is going to come up, and you KNOW it's going to come up, I have to question the motives behind it.
I've had one female friend so far ask me to come along in such a case, because she feared such a refusal, and knew where I stood on it, thankfully there was no trouble, but this particular issue bothers me a lot and I have zero intention of being nice about it should it happen.
This is a pretty touchy issue with me, having had a bawling, distraught friend clinging to me, terrified that she'd be placed in that situation brought forth just how awful it can be.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Casual - I have to say, on the basis of my moral compass, I think we both see the needle pointing North when we're both facing the same direction. I think you and your wife have a very sensible and responsible stance on this issue, you don't force your opinions on other people in other situations, and you have a real grasp on exactly what it means to have sex, and what the consequenses of that can be. I tip my hat to ya. When you have kids, I'm pretty sure you will be more than adequite role models for them.
Desktop Hippie - I'm not trying to get down on you here, because you seem like a real nice girl from other threads I've seen, though I don't believe we've ever spoken before. I'm sorry I gotta post to you like this as a first time post to you, but I have to say that I had to choke back the vomit several times reading your posts when you make it sound as if you wouldn't have had any part in making that THING in your womb that you might choose to murder, for fear of death among other reasons less extreme such as you're not ready for kids, financially or mentally.
Maybe the kid didn't feel like being murdered either, but it had about 2-3 years before it would have been able to say any words like "Mommy" and probably at least another 2 years after that before it could put any rational thoughts into sentences like "Please don't kill me Mommy". I think people who feel the way you do about the issue should have their tubes tied before they are forced to make the decision to kill a pre-birth baby, and I recommend that option to you very strongly.
You mention that you make the choice to get in a car or take a swim when you weigh the risks, but somehow you feel and try to justify that having a baby wasn't your choice. Sorry hon, but just because you climaxed and smoked that cigarette doesn't mean that it's all over now and having a baby is a seperate event. Next time you have sex with random Joe Studly without getting the tubes tied, try to remember that the possibility of having a baby is very much intertwined with your decision to rock him and the moment he penetrates you, you've already made that decision to go for that swim or get in that car.
Respectfully.... Ahem....
Frem - Ahhhh good old Frem. My beacon of hope. My one unfaltering voice of sanity in these oftentimes dark and abysmal threads. You know I like you more and more every time I see you. There is only one single real arguement against the Anti-Abortion legislation which would cover any of the extreme situations which may be argued on behalf of the pro-abortionists, and once again you nailed it on the head.
That arguement, as you already know, is freedom of choice.
That's what's great about this country, or at least it was anyways. I can think that somebody who casually has sex with anybody and has an abortion is a selfish murderer and they can think that pregnancy is going to kill them and, rather than chose to take proper precautions beforehand, they can justify having an abortion because it changes their body, it's too tough financially, or it could kill them.
If we just let people kill their babies at their own discression (like we've been doing for how long now?) without making a Federal case out of it, well then I don't reckon I'd be hearing much about it now, would I? Personally, I think almost every reason given for abortion is a bad reason, but it's not often you're going to change anybody's mind once they've committed. They WILL do it illegally if you tell them not to and then I'll have to hear about that on the news too.
Let's take the whole morality arguement out of it completely. Government has no right legislating morality. What's moral to one religion is sin to another anyhow, so with what basis would we even begin to make those distinctions.
No... I don't know if there is a God or not, but I think if there is, he's not to happy with the notions of baby killers and they will have to pay for their crimes when Judgement Day comes. If there isn't a God, well, I just don't see how morality f
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