The 'Jihad' Rant: Prove Me Wrong (warning: might be offenisve)
POSTED BY: HiroStone
UPDATED: Sunday, December 28, 2025 08:00
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Okay... let's see... There's war...
I don't know... all these 'prove me wrong' threads seem to end up childish (maybe not 'childish' per se... adolescent?) rants anyway. I should, at this point, stop looking at them. I think I will. Please continue to label them that way for me. Thanks.
Believe me, I will. These rants aren't that well thought out anyway. I just write 'em when I have a spare minute or two. For this guy, everything I said in my previous post does amount to the themes in Firefly. You're just too proud to admit it. And just if you think in the abstract thinking everything relates to everything, in physics there is the General Unified Theory, "String Theory" or the Theory of Everything, where everything in the universe, including Kevin Bacon, is related to everything else
And if you want childish?
Nyah-nyah-nyah... Nyah-na-na.... And if you want adolescent
Stone Cold Salute! But then again, you're never gonna read this, are you... ass-clown?!?
RIVER: Mal, bad. In the Latin.
Lodril, dumb-@$$. In the English.
-Hiro
PS - I'm still waiting for my gorram explanation....
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5. The issue itself was about a t-shirt. And the ‘jihad’ term used was not pointed toward the Muslim people. It was meant to imply the fanatics who caused 9/11...
Though I personally am not religious, I can completely see where a devout or even mildly religious Islam might get irate about this. The word "jihad" has been, rightly or wrongly, tied symbolically to Muslims across the wrong, and tends to summon up just those images that you're speaking about. The word bears strong meaning and emotion for many Muslims, despite the twisted meaning by which it is more commonly recognized.
A similarly offensive t-shirt which might rouse the anger of more Americans might have to include the slogan "Catholics: pedophile-followers or just guilt-junkie torture-worshippers?"
Neither of those titles is true in the strictest, widest sense of the word -- but there have been a significant number of cases of Catholic priests molesting children, the core beliefs of Catholicism are in confessing your "sins" and receiving forgiveness, and the primary icons at the front of churches are some dude bleeding from a tiara of thorns and nailed to a tree.
Yes, I'm intentionally being blunt and not taking things into perspective. No, I don't think Catholics are like that.
Nonetheless, that's the kind of insult that seems to be offered by the t-shirt those radio guys are championing. It's rather a pity that the caller wasn't able to better express his displeasure and outrage.
History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.
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Just putting things into perspective. Pax Romana and Pax Brittania both fell and the core nations were proportionally stronger in many ways than Pax Americana is today
Well I think there is a very big difference between those two and America. First off, WE DON'T WANT AN EMPIRE!
It took something like 9-11 to drag us kicking and screaming, (and some of us are still screaming) back to the sand box to finally remove Saddam. We want to go back to sleep, complain about pointless stuff, watch celebrities implode on tv and such. Or simply do business, buy and sell stuff with the rest of the world. We don't want to tell anyone anything how to run their lives.
On the whole, when referring to the generally apathetic American citizenry, I'd agree. In specific, when talking about the Bush administration and the Project for the New American Century ( http://www.newamericancentury.org/), I heartily disagree. The invasion of Iraq was in its planning stages long before September 11, 2001, and Bush and his cronies did everything they could to pin both 9/11 and the following anthrax attacks on Hussein. They failed in both regards, for lack of evidence, and then pointed the finger of WMDs at Hussein and succeeded (despite their lack of evidence).
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But one point that should be noted is that while as a percentage of the whole, the US may be sliding. But in absolute numbers it ain't. Its not that everyone else is getting a bigger slice of the pie. Its that we are all getting more and more pie.
That must explain, in some roundabout fashion, the 2.2 million jobs lost since 2001, most of which have been shipped to India. Yup, we're all getting more pie... none of its being outsourced to offshore workers...
I'm kind of agog at how we got all the way out to this thread from the original t-shirt topic.
History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.
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Very true - politics and religion. And in-laws, don't forget them ! We are all only as good as the data we have, when it comes to either. The rest is just opinion - and weaponry, I suppose.
Too true, too ture.
Hiro wrote:
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And if you want adolescent Stone Cold Salute!
But then again, you're never gonna read this, are you... ass-clown?!?
Name calling? Have we really regressed to that? Very uncool. Too bad these threads are not moderated. This sort of behavior only breeds more of the same. I can understand being upset or very passionate about something, but name calling should be something we never have to resort to here.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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And let's not forget our friend Mr. Ashcroft, who in the Reagan era made a trip over to Iraq to let good ol' Hussein know that all our talk about WMD's being bad, after Hussein went on a gassing frenzy - didn't actually apply to him.
A good example, but I think you mean Donald Rumsfeld. In 1983, when Rumsfeld made his little trip, Ashcroft was:
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He was Missouri's state auditor from 1973-75, and then became the state's assistant attorney-general in 1975. The following year he moved up to the attorney-general job, where he stayed until 1985.
During that time he was president of the National Association of Attorneys-General, and received the organisation's top award in 1983.
History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.
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Hiro wrote:Quote:
And if you want adolescent Stone Cold Salute!
But then again, you're never gonna read this, are you... ass-clown?!?
Name calling? Have we really regressed to that? Very uncool. Too bad these threads are not moderated. This sort of behavior only breeds more of the same. I can understand being upset or very passionate about something, but name calling should be something we never have to resort to here.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
I was just answering him appropriately. Should I have done it in Chinese?
And besides, he never gave me his explanation.
Book: ...the special Hell...
-Hiro
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I was just answering him appropriately. Should I have done it in Chinese?
And besides, he never gave me his explanation.
I would think you would not find it necessary to resort to name calling at all, and would refrain from it if you felt compelled to call someone names. I don't think Chinese would have been better, only more difficult to translate.
No, he did not give you his explaination, but that is still not an excuse for name calling.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Kurukami, you get the apple! I've been sitting here, rubbing my little evil hands together, wondering if anyone was going to notice that...Not that I would EVER mislead anyone on purpose, just to see if they were paying attention .
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Yay, an apple!
Um... *cautiously pokes it with a knife* It doesn't have a griswald in it, right? 
History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.
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As-salaamu alaikum,
Whew! done reading. Nodded some (honorable mention to Miloradell), shook my head some (dishonorable mention to 'Mike' for leaving his family). Islam expressly warns against cutting the ties of kinship, especially to your parents. Even if it's hard and they don't want to, you are required to try.
People take offence to things, it happens. Let them be offended by what they will, in the end what does it matter anyway? Sadly many Muslims have become very reactionary post September 11th, sometimes its justified and sometimes its not. I've done it myself, but my point is that it happens and then others with opposing views react back just as strongly. All sides just need to DEAL WITH THAT.
The phrase 'I don't know much about Islam but...' can swing both ways on the pendulum if you take my meaning. To everyone who has said that they don't know much about Islam but would honestly like to, I encourage you to. You can be whatever religion you want to be (or none at all), it doesn't matter to me, but in the end this will only be solved when we all understand the REAL reasoning and ideals and beliefs and vocabulary that the other is using. The meaning of jihad as an inner struggle against something inside yourself wasn't even mentioned as far as I saw. And thats only one example.
On a random Firefly note since this is fireflyfans.net: Did everyone catch the woman in the burka in The Train Job? That ROCKED!
Canadian Muslims Love Firefly!
Those who restrain desire, do so because thiers is weak enough to be restrained.
-William Blake
O my Lord! bestow wisdom on me, and join me with the righteous.
-Qur'an 26:83
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