The 'Jihad' Rant: Prove Me Wrong (warning: might be offenisve)
POSTED BY: HiroStone
UPDATED: Sunday, December 28, 2025 08:00
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Didn't mean the veer off course, but back to the original topic (we can still talk about everything else, but I just felt like readdressing this).
I think the "Lex & Terry" show are a bunch of asses. These radio people can choose to entertain us in a moronic way (as they have chosen to do, much in the same way that we are fed those dog shit reality programming on TV) or they can entertain *and* educate. They have chosen to be provide a avenue for dumbass rants by inciting idiotic public sentiments in exactly the wrong way, misinforming the public and wrongly reinforcing negative stereotyping. They might as well have had TV shirts that said "Rag heads go home" (Wrong on multitudes of ways and levels) and wouldn't have provoked a less dumber reaction.
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Originally posted by HiroStone:
This rant is going to be a very volatile one, I might step on a lot of toes, so be forewarned.
At work, we are allowed to listen to our radios as long as they don’t affect our work and preferably if we wear headphones. I listen to the Lex & Terry Morning Show, which is a lifesaver since I don’t have to listen to the office loudmouths. Today, they received a call from “Mike” who was offended at a T-shirt that their show is selling. The shirt has on front in broad bold letters, “Jihad is for p*ssies”. Now, I can see his point of view, thinking that this might be offensive to Muslims, of which “Mike” claimed to be. However, I was more offended of how this guy tried, and I stress tried, to argue his point.
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-Hiro
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Originally posted by HiroStone:
This rant is going to be a very volatile one, I might step on a lot of toes, so be forewarned.
At work, we are allowed to listen to our radios as long as they don’t affect our work and preferably if we wear headphones. I listen to the Lex & Terry Morning Show, which is a lifesaver since I don’t have to listen to the office loudmouths. Today, they received a call from “Mike” who was offended at a T-shirt that their show is selling. The shirt has on front in broad bold letters, “Jihad is for p*ssies”. Now, I can see his point of view, thinking that this might be offensive to Muslims, of which “Mike” claimed to be. However, I was more offended of how this guy tried, and I stress tried, to argue his point.
Now, I don’t want to get into a rant here… but who the hell is “Mike” to be offended at this T-shirt? ...SNIP!
OK, I really didn't need to read beyond here. This is the point I believe and going into personal beliefs or the offended guy who just converted to Islam is just that.
Let's see - Jihad is for pussies. A t-shirt. Prolly buttons will come next.
Rather like those 'Fuck Iran' buttons back in the Carter years.
You people are all going on about how the Muslims will be insulted and what not. Well, they have seen this sort of childish, self-involved, ignorant, propoganda from the U.S. 'culture' before, as I mention.
And Americans wonder why everyone hates them. It is truly sad.
BTW, I'd tell you who actually is responsible for 9/11 but someone kept the files secret for so called 'national security'. If I ever run across that Dick Chenney guy in a dark alley... we are gonna have a chat and I encourage every Muslim and U.S. soldier (especially the ones who 'survived' the current 'end' of hostilities in Iraq) to do the same. Chenney makes MacNamara seem like a nice guy (grok the Vietnam ref there). George Dubya is a fool of course... why you Americans voted for ... oh wait.
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Well I think there is a very big difference between those two and America. First off, WE DON'T WANT AN EMPIRE!
Why should we when we already have one?
Don't want an empire? Puh-lease. So what would you call settling on one side of a continent and then systematically conquering ever indigenous tribe between the east and west coasts? Last time I checked that kinda qualifies as "building an empire".
We just don't call it an empire, because we're intelligent enough to do everything we can to put up the pretense that we're the good guys. Only problem is, the only people on the entire planet that we have fooled into believing we are NOT an empire are ourselves.
--Kala
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Originally posted by Drakon:
Well I think there is a very big difference between those two and America. First off, WE DON'T WANT AN EMPIRE!
Well regardless of my thoughts on Pax Americana that's not what I was implying anyway
I was talking about the relative power of the pre-eminent state compared with the rest of the world and pointing out that the USA today is not the all-powerful entity some believe
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Originally posted by Drakon:
I am not sure what your numbers are based on. I have heard that the US's 10 trillion dollar a year economy is larger than the rest of the G-7 combined. California alone is battling France for 6th place as the largest economy of the world.
I got the numbers from the CIA World Factbook which if anything overstates the size of the US Economy
The US has a $10 Trillion economy which was between 20% and 25% of the world total in 2002 depending on which exchange rates you use
The Dollar has crashed over 40% in value against the Euro since then so the USA makes up a smaller proportion of planetary product than it did then
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
No one has yet taken up a most serious issue with Hiro: Osama Bin Laden had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with airplanes crashing into the twin towers.
Osama Bin Laden was not involved. Try a Google for "Tim Osman."
On another tack, contrary to what a well-known elder-statesman friend of mine has spouted on a public forum, the folks in Iraq are not "ragheads" who deserve to be shot by our misguided troops. Their religion is, like mine, no one else's business. The good people of Iraq need only to be left alone. They had the freedom to buy firearms before the U.S. went there. How can anyone say they were opressed? It was and is all about OIL. The rest of the world knows this. Why don't you?
Concerning Hiro's thoughts about how great the U.S. is after 200+ years, any professional photographer will tell you that you're only as good as your last photograph. It matters not what images you made 200 years ago, or last week. What matters is what you're doing right now. And the U.S. is alienating the entire world right now because of a preemptive war that had its basis in lies. Neither did the U.S. have any reason nor right to enter Afghanistan. That event was planned long in advance of 9-11.
While the U.S. may have been a beacon for immigrants who came and found marvelous opportunity in years gone by, that may not be true any longer. Fortunately some far-seeing folks are getting seriously upset with the "Freedom Act" and are outlawing it in their communities. More courage is needed. More folks who have taken difficult but necessary steps to learn the truth need to speak up when someone, like Hiro, blindly declares his hostility toward what our government wants him to hate. Such is not freedom of expression, but blind slavery to the official government line.
While I support the U.S. troops, I could not in good faith let folks like Hiro, bless you, get away with spouting ill-informed hatred. It serves no useful purpose.
Use the Internet. Get off this forum and stop broadcasting disinformation. If you know something being done by the U.S. gov't is WRONG, say something about it, as I just have. Look at the jet stream every day and see what the HAARP array combined with ionized particulate matter being sprayed into the atmosphere can do to it. Do you think it looks natural? Look at it every day for a few years. (Sorry, I couldn't get the link to post.)
Looking for the truth takes time, courage, and a curious and open mind. A couple of posters here have shown clearly they know what's what, and that's cause for celebration.
Good luck, friends. Resume ranting.
......Ruxton
First, I want to say, I absolutely agree with Ruxton.
I was writing from a point of view from a very personal and passionate. Self-interest was my stance and I stand by it. I've mentioned that my friends and family are there in the Middle East now, and some of them were station there way before the war or 9/11 took place. And very damn day I worry about them, worried they might get hurt, loose an arm or a leg, or even die. I pray for them everyday. It's a wonder why I'm so passionate about this.
And while everyone has the right to get offended (as do I whenever I watch reality TV or anything on FOX), I want to stress that I don't hate and didn't want to spread hate concerning Muslims, the Islamic faith, or the Iraqi people. What I do hate is the stupidity of people who take things too far; take things too seriously. There is a time to be serious, and a time to take a joke.
And there is a simple answer to 'Mike's' dilemma; if you think Lex & Terry and their shirt is offensive; switch to a different station or turn it off. If you can't enjoy life, don't make everyone else's miserable. Do I get angry when I see 'Mrs. Swann' on MadTV? No. Do I get offended with 'Kung-Pow: Enter the Fist!" No. Am I offended with all the Japanese animation that's on Saturday morning? No.
For me, and this is probably only me, I get offended when I see people with Chinese/Japanese tattoo
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Wow. That post is great. I really grok that brother.
And yeah, Ruxton is not off the mark. There is a lot we don't know but hell... I can draw a line from Dick Chenney to Usama Bin Laden easier than 9/11. There are loats of files ole Dick had sealed. Oh, and though it's actually not legal, I think Afganistan is a case of 'couldn't be worse' and prolly the fact almost everyone from here to Karachi is quite pleased to see the Taliban get slaughtered. *chuckle* They are just evil bastards.
But I digress...
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And while everyone has the right to get offended (as do I whenever I watch reality TV or anything on FOX), I want to stress that I don't hate and didn't want to spread hate concerning Muslims, the Islamic faith, or the Iraqi people. What I do hate is the stupidity of people who take things too far; take things too seriously. There is a time to be serious, and a time to take a joke.
Well, aside from a healthy amount of paid for propoganda in the Media Convergance Grid I recommend calling up the sponsers. Works for the church groups.
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And there is a simple answer to 'Mike's' dilemma; if you think Lex & Terry and their shirt is offensive; switch to a different station or turn it off. If you can't enjoy life, don't make everyone else's miserable. Do I get angry when I see 'Mrs. Swann' on MadTV? No. Do I get offended with 'Kung-Pow: Enter the Fist!" No. Am I offended with all the Japanese animation that's on Saturday morning? No.
Yeah, it's a sea of novelty merchandise ain't it? They don't call us 'consumers' for nothing. I remember as a kid in the 70s they had these racks full of t-shirts (In Towers... remember Towers?) with a US Soldier ramming Old Glory into the Iatola Khomenis' ass Okinawa style. This crapola has been going on for a long time. I know how you feel, or I at least remember being just as confused. Now, in my mighty wisdom and knowledge I can honsetly tell ya I have no frellin' idea brother!!! Heh heh but hey... after a while you realize there are people out there who just have no clue and are burning on bullsheeet. Then they step on your neck.. and run like hell!!!
Yeah... Homer Simposon is evil, but he's also my teacher.
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Well, I don't know if I'd say Afghanistan is actually better off. Now dog fights are legal and you can get a 6 year old girl pretty cheap, I hear - oh, and opium production is up. I don't think things have actually improved, I think things have just...shifted. The Taliban has always been a problem, and part of that problem are the US administrations that put groups like that IN power, thinking they can control them. Power vacuum - USSR pulled out of Afghanistan, we stepped in and set-up our guys. Problem is, our guys weren't much of an improvement over the Ruskies. But eh, c'est la vie.
And let's not forget our friend Mr. Ashcroft, who in the Reagan era made a trip over to Iraq to let good ol' Hussein know that all our talk about WMD's being bad, after Hussein went on a gassing frenzy - didn't actually apply to him. Let's not forget who put Hussein where he was - the idea was he would keep in check the religious leaders in Iran. Well, who can say? That's a topic for alternate history buffs. Maybe if he hadn't been in Iraq, Iran would have spread out, gained more power, been less internally focused, whatever. Maybe not. My crystal ball is broken.
What I've always wanted to know is - what about the Saudi's? Osama's from there, not Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan. The majority of the dudes in the planes were from Saudi. So....I know, let's go after someplace else! I hear GWB 'graduated' with a degree in history. Huh - funny that.
Oh - and Ghoulman
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George Dubya is a fool of course... why you Americans voted for ... oh wait.
Yeah - we know. At least those of us who pursue foreign press stories know about it. Funny thing is, I'm from Minnesota. The guy who would have won/kept the senate spot (Wellstone), died in a plane crash shortly before the election - a very important election, mind you. The republicans needed the win. A seasoned veteran steps in to take his place (Mondale), all the polls had him winning, yet Coleman's in Washington. Now how do you figure go se like that happens? And somehow, nobody ever connects those dots...And those weren't the only election results which stank, either.
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Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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Prove you wrong. No problem. First, let me explain how current events in the middle east relate to the series 'Firefly'...
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Originally posted by Lodril:
Prove you wrong. No problem. First, let me explain how current events in the middle east relate to the series 'Firefly'...
Okay... let's see... There's war... Dissillusionment with the government... Loss of faith... secrets within the government and/or big business... honor, duty and loyalty... blind patriotism... very little understanding with clandestine agendas... how people who live in another place, say like in the Middle East or the boarder planets, don't want to be governed by the US or the Alliance. Like Joss whedon said, "This show isn't about the people who made history; it's about the people history stepped on."
And there's a whole lotta people being stepped on in current events in the Middle East...
How wrong am I? I'm waiting for your explanation.................
Book: The government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned.
-Hiro
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