Laughing at Saddam
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UPDATED: Monday, January 5, 2026 21:57
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Now that being said, I just watched the last part of the Train Job again, and it was very clear the expression of disgust on Mal’s face after he kicked Crow into the inlet.
I always figured the disgust was either, "Wow. Some people are just too stupid to live." or "Darn. There goes the warranty on that engine."
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Having seen first hand what seagulls do to jet engines I can’t imagine what a fully grown Crow would do.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I always figured the disgust was either, "Wow. Some people are just too stupid to live." or "Darn. There goes the warranty on that engine."
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:No, it was a feeling thing- an "I hate to kill folk" thing.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I always figured the disgust was either, "Wow. Some people are just too stupid to live."
Quote:Funny- not. It was used.
or "Darn. There goes the warranty on that engine."
Still ducking my question...
Afraid of self-examination...well that's okay. We can't all be Dr. Phil with ourselves, heck, I have a hard time with it myself.
Poking the deep dark recesses of Chrisisall
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Quote:Yer forgetting the particle flayers and debris inhibators...
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Having seen first hand what seagulls do to jet engines I can’t imagine what a fully grown Crow would do.
Still not wankin' it well Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
He was unable to sucessfully attack AT THE MOMENT.
He controlled his destiny, and HE chose to attempt to intimidate- he wouldn't "eventually become" a threat; he was stating that he was a continuous living threat.
And my biggest sadness for you: "for intimidation value". You truly believe that that was Mal had in mind? That you could read that into the scene is where all of the anger at you comes from, dude.
The joke was that it happened to work out that way. Mal did it to protect his crew, and some part of him was unhappy about his percieved forced decision.
Cool. You just justified the invasion of Iraq.
To paraphrase:
"Saddam was unable to sucessfully attack AT THE MOMENT. Saddam controlled his destiny, and HE chose to attempt to intimidate- he wouldn't "eventually become" a threat; he was stating that he was a continuous living threat. The joke was that it happened to work out that way. Bush did it to protect his Country, and some part of him was unhappy about his percieved forced decision."
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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"Keep the Shiny side up"
That's retarded. Exactly how was Saddam a threat? 4 years there, and still nothing to back that claim.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Still ducking my question...
Which question was that? About Mal pushing Crow into the engine? I think he did it because it's a Whedonesque thing to do, unexpected and shocking. It made a better bit of theatre than stuffing the money in Crow's mouth, duct taping it shut, and mailing him back to Niska with a nice note.
In one of the little quotes at the tops of these pages, Nathan Fillion describes Mal as someone who lost his compassion in the war. If that's the way he played it, I doubt the look of disgust had anything to do with regret over the death of Crow, just with the mess in his engine.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:This was the part I meant:
Originally posted by Geezer:
In one of the little quotes at the tops of these pages, Nathan Fillion describes Mal as someone who lost his compassion in the war. If that's the way he played it, I doubt the look of disgust had anything to do with regret over the death of Crow, just with the mess in his engine.
"But for you, it was Mal using a man as a tool, killing him to help achieve a desired end- the same thinking that makes an Operative possible."
You think Mal coldly killed Crow with his only regret being he dirtied his engine, that there was no twinge of hurt that he just offed a fellow human being, no hint of disgust that he lived in a world where he had to make that call.
And that shows where your head is at, and why many of you are no different than the terrorist scum we so despise. This whole thread is about mocking the need to get rid of a problem, and laughing about a being's torment.
Childish, tribal mentality, that
.You want to remain squarely rooted in the 12th Century, be my guest. A few of us are attempting to, as Picard put it, evolve beyond that.
Compassion, the Final Frontier Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You think Mal coldly killed Crow with his only regret being he dirtied his engine, that there was no twinge of hurt that he just offed a fellow human being, no hint of disgust that he lived in a world where he had to make that call.
I think Mal killed Crow because it's a TV show and the writer thought that it would be more entertaining. You can't ask Mal bcause he doesn't exist.
Your "enlightened" position seems to be that it's all right to kill people if you feel bad about it for a moment.
I suggest that just because you see a people-sized package does not mean there's a person inside. It might be a mad dog. You euthanize mad dogs, be it with injection, hanging, or a trip through the port engine.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Actions real or imagined can both carry emotional weight. Unless you want to deflect, in that case the "It's not real", "They're not civilized", "Gays defy God"'s come out.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I think Mal killed Crow because it's a TV show and the writer thought that it would be more entertaining. You can't ask Mal bcause he doesn't exist.
Quote:Not what I said, and if I elabourate you still never will get it.
Your "enlightened" position seems to be that it's all right to kill people if you feel bad about it for a moment.
Quote:Were you standing in front of a mirror as you thought that one up? Being able to de-humanize another is a sure sign that you don't place much value on yourself...
I suggest that just because you see a people-sized package does not mean there's a person inside.
C'mon Geezer, you good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, people love you!
Handy Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Being able to de-humanize another is a sure sign that you don't place much value on yourself...
I place quite a bit of value on myself. Somewhat less on people who would take what I value from me with no hesitation and no moral qualms.
So what makes a human anyway? The decorative packaging, or what's inside? Is it a general acceptance of the rules we've developed over time; don't murder, don't lie, don't steal, don't hurt, etc.? Can some human-looking beings be so far outside these rules that they don't qualify for the benefits of humanity any more? Obviously, I think so.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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