Laughing at Saddam
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Monday, January 5, 2026 21:57
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I think Saddam DID get a merciful death, at least by Iraqi standards.
The Government of Iraq could have :
a) Beheaded him in a public square
b) Drawn and quartered him with wild horses
c) Sent him through the human meat grinder he and his sons loved to use so much
d) Immersed him in a vat of acid as he and his sons loved to use so much
e) Thrown him off a rooftop as he and his sons loved to do so much
f) Beat him to death with sticks and bats as he and his sons loved to do so much
g) Put him in a room and gassed him.....
Don't shed any tears for him....save them for our own wounded and dead.
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Quote:It seemed like a kangaroo court to me, but IF I'm wrong- so be it.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Okay. So your position is that it's all right for an individual to murder someone if they feel they need revenge, but not all right for a state to execute someone after due process (An appeal was filed, BTW, on Dec. 03, 2006. A panel of nine judges reviewed the verdict and concurred with it.) for crimes committed agains the people of the state.
And NO, it's not all right to murder at will, but temporary insanity might grip a relative of a victim, and in that case what he does, he does, and I for one would not prosecute the dude too much for it, assuming he got the responsible dirtbag.
It goes back to Jack Bauer, he puts the squeeze on a terrorist to find out where the ticking bomb is. Do we sanction his behavior? No. Do we understand it in that one, extremely rare, and improbable instance? I say yes. It's the difference between an accepted standard, and those special instances outside the norm.
Saddam deserved to be off this world, no doubt. To off him like they did, on a holy day to boot, was the act of revenge-seekers, not peeps of justice.
You want to go all Perry Mason on me, go ahead; I don't always discuss from an enlightened legal perspective- I go for what's ultimately right, and how I would want to be treated in return.
Ex: someone kills my family, they won't live long, but then neither would I for my crime of revenge.
Sound fair to you? (I hold myself to a tougher standard than a family member of Saddam's victim, but then, he IS a documented mass-murderer)
One more thing, do you torture a cold when you kick it? Do you laugh at it? Or do you get rid of it and go on?
And you aren't going to respond to my comments about your view of why Mal put that guy into his enging, are you? You aren't going to analyze why you see it that way, or question your take on it at all, huh?
Typical.
The less angry, but still kinda angry, but not too angry to stay on this a little longer Chrisisall
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PM Blair once said something that I thought was very apt.
“...some of the talk about [[]Iraq[]] in the past few weeks, I have to say has astonished me. Let's just be clear about the nature of the regime that we are dealing with. You would think from some of the discussion that we were dealing with some benign liberal democracy out in Iraq.” -- Prime Minister Tony Blair, 2002
I actually cracked a grin when I read that the first time in one of Blair's press conferences, because I had the exact same feeling.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Finn, you are one here who can directly address a question (and in RWED, that is an admirable trait), did you get the sense that Mal kicked that guy into his engine to intimidate the others, or purely as a knee-jerk reaction (pun actually not intended) to protect his crew?
Not as off topic as it seems IMO Chrisisall
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Quote:I don’t know; I suppose it could be viewed both ways, but I personally kind of think it was a calculated move. If it hadn’t have been, why was the next guy moved to Crow’s location when he was interrogated? (because that’s where put someone you want to kick in the inlet?) Mal is a savvy pirate and he knows that you don’t deal with someone like Niska from a position of weakness. And of course, Crow’s comment about hunting them down wherever they go wasn’t a great career move when you’re on your knees in front of a turbine inlet, and I think Mal knew to take him seriously. In Mal’s mind, you either kill him now, or you wait for him to come for you. He’s pragmatist, not an idealist.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, you are one here who can directly address a question (and in RWED, that is an admirable trait), did you get the sense that Mal kicked that guy into his engine to intimidate the others, or purely as a knee-jerk reaction (pun actually not intended) to protect his crew?
Not as off topic as it seems IMO Chrisisall
Now that being said, I just watched the last part of the Train Job again, and it was very clear the expression of disgust on Mal’s face after he kicked Crow into the inlet. I think Mal probably had every intention of killing Crow if he refused the money, but I don’t think he was happy about it . . . for whatever it’s worth to Crow as he shot out the aft exhaust in little pieces.
Crow’s a fictitious character, I can laugh at his demise.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Saddam was a monster (and yes, once again, one we helped to be all he could be
*cough*Pol Pot*cough*
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Quote:I just now watched it again myself, and Mal could not have cleanly kicked Crow into the intake from a kneeling position, Crow stood up to be imposing, to intimidate, and that's when he was in line with the port. I get that it was a piece of inspiration of the moment that came to Mal; Crow just put himself in the wrong physical position in his moment of grandure.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don’t know; I suppose it could be viewed both ways, but I personally kind of think it was a calculated move. If it hadn’t have been, why was the next guy moved to Crow’s location when he was interrogated?
The next one was put in a kneeling position to talk to Mal, maybe with the idea in someone's head that it might work as a hint not to be all blowhard-y...but it doesn't seem to me that was the original set-up. My take on it, anyway.
Quote:Me too, after I got over the "Holy s**t!" of it, lol.
Crow’s a fictitious character, I can laugh at his demise.
Over-analyizing Chrisisall
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Yeah, I can see that. I guess the way one interprets that scene has a lot to do with the type of Mal someone wants to see: the spontaneous Mal that kills without thinking or the calculated Mal who kills premeditatedly. Or Perhaps the idealist Mal and the pragmatist Mal.
But the real question here is if Mal was standing right next to a turbine inlet with enough suction to pull Crow in, why didn’t we hear a load roar?
Also why does an engine used in space have an air inlet anyway?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Ummm, 'cause dem doohickeys don't work the way doohickeys in our time work; they gots better mufflers, and stuff. And the engines are used in atmo, AND space, so the have duel thruster type gizmos, one needing cooling, and....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
But the real question here is if Mal was standing right next to a turbine inlet with enough suction to pull Crow in, why didn’t we hear a load roar?
Also why does an engine used in space have an air inlet anyway?
*not sounding very smart here.....*
Aborting liftoff Chrisisall
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Quote:Works for me.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Ummm, 'cause dem doohickeys don't work the way doohickeys in our time work; they gots better mufflers, and stuff. And the engines are used in atmo, AND space, so the have duel thruster type gizmos, one needing cooling, and....
*not sounding very smart here.....*
Aborting liftoff Chrisisall
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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