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John Edwards announces his run for Office
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Monday, January 8, 2007 01:17
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Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:16 PM
Quote:It's right there in my post.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You offered no quote.
Quote:Blatant and verifiable lie.
You then stated that even if you DID have one, I'd not read it.
A direct quote, since you are not honest enough to give one:
Quote:I never said I didn't have a quote, and I also gave one, two blatant lies in as many sentences.
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff.
Quote:It's far from a 'refrence' you moron, it's a quote from the Address to the nation, March 17, 2003, a quote because he said it, further lying huh. You said I gave no quote, I catch you in the lie, you lie again claiming it is merely a refrence.
But as for the Bush 'reference' you gave before I clarified my thoughts -Quote:
Fact is, many were saying the exact same thing and even more damning things about Iraq long before Bush was in office, and even after he was in office. Sorry, but that fact alone makes Bush's comments far and away above anything Edwards said about ESC research. And then there's the small matter of the U.N, it's 17 Resolutions, the 15-0 Security council vote.....Sorry, but you've got nothing on this issue.
And very good, you blatantly lie and when I prove it you go back and change your post. Pathetic.
You even said exactly what I said you would, man you're predictable, dishonest but predictable none the less.
You can always tell when someone has lost a debate, they start personal attacks and they start twisting the data and lying, you've lost, your continued blathering does nothing but make you look like a petty mind moron.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:57 PM
" I merely used Bush as an example, besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff. To be honest by stepping back and allowing you to blather on about my sexuallity the truths case is helped far more than the truth alone ever could. Bravo!"
See here, citizen, this is what caused the confusion. You posted a quote,finally, after a post or 2,....and nothing else. No ' Bush said ' or context,time, etc, initially. Fine, you DID give a quote. I wasn't LYING, I simply missed it. But it was so inconsequential and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we're having, it was easy to miss. Bush was among a chorus of those saying Iraq had WMD. So what ? How's that compare to what Edwards said ? It doesn't.
And I didn't lie by going back to change my post, I wasn't even aware you had replied already. I simply edited my own post, which is my right, and there was nothing at all in the way of trying to pull one over on you. I even went to the trouble of noting I changed my comments in my follow up reply. So, lighten up.
Jesus H.... what a waste of time and effort here. The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Wednesday, January 3, 2007 11:19 PM
Quote:what, by not saying what you said it did? You said that I expressly said I did not have a quote, that is a blatant and proven lie. I did not expressly state that, so at the very best that statement was a gross exaggeration, which in these circumstances is as good as an outright lie in my book. Funny, while you're decrying Edwards you are using the same tactics you accuse him of.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
See here, citizen, this is what caused the confusion.
Quote:It was very clear from the context within it was posted what it was. However if you only skimmed the post because you care not what anyone thinks but yourself it may have been easy to miss. If that is in fact what you did then this really is a waste of time, because as per usual you have no interest in anything save causing a flame war. Which is it, are you interested only in flaming or were you lying?
You posted a quote,finally, after a post or 2,....and nothing else. No ' Bush said ' or context,time, etc, initially.
Quote:Then why did you ask for it? Oh yes because I mentioned Bush is no better than any other politician and you threw a tantrum because you can't handle the fact that Bush isn't the greatest man alive.
But it was so inconsequential and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we're having, it was easy to miss.
Quote:He's the President, so what comes out of his administration is his responsibility. Funny, anything good "isn't bush great" anything bad "Bush isn't responsible" very predictable.
Bush was among a chorus of those saying Iraq had WMD. So what ?
Quote:I said exactly this, Edwards quote hasn't led to actions that directly or indirectly caused thousands of deaths, doesn't compare in the slightest. But your usual lack of non-partisan perspective prevents you from seeing anything beyond your fanatical love of George Bush.
How's that compare to what Edwards said ? It doesn't.
Quote:Convenient, considering my following post pointed out what you had been denying, then your earlier post just happens to be edited to reflect this.
And I didn't lie by going back to change my post, I wasn't even aware you had replied already. I simply edited my own post, which is my right, and there was nothing at all in the way of trying to pull one over on you.
Quote:Lighten up, you lie about the contents of my post, attack my entire nation, something that would elicit a foul flame from you and others, and personally attacked me for no reason other than I don't parrot your views, and you're telling me to lighten up, that's real rich.
I even went to the trouble of noting I changed my comments in my follow up reply. So, lighten up.
Why don't you and PirateCat go find PirateNews and troll it up in troll country, that's what it's there for.
Quote:I agree, but talking to you nearly always is.
Jesus H.... what a waste of time and effort here.
Quote:Next time you want to venture into talking about anything beyond Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel or Firefly, of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing, please do everyone a favour and don't. Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
I would also put money on George Bush campaign managers being less partisan than you, but that's not only by the by, but blindingly obvious to anyone who has ever read one of your posts.
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Thursday, January 4, 2007 1:25 AM
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but given the current state of affairs i'd even take Palpatine/Vader 2008... at least some COMPETENT evil dictators for once.
Palpatine and Vader, do they need campaign volunteers?
If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting
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Thursday, January 4, 2007 12:32 PM
Brokeback is a liberal movie not a cowboy western. Cowboys run horse or cattle. Since I live in New Mexico show me a sheep farm in Colorado. Oh yeah that Heath fella is an Auzzie too. One more thing since I am from North Carolina and John Edwards said he did not care about my job which I still have the news paper thankyou very much solve Northern Irelands problem before ya talk about US issues jackass.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Thursday, January 4, 2007 2:49 PM
Quote:The cease fires holding, get a clue before proving yourself an idiot.
Originally posted by PirateCat:
solve Northern Irelands problem before ya talk about US issues jackass.
Oh, and terrorism only a global issue if it's directed at the US huh, not that that surprises me.
Maybe we could look at the USA's masterful treatment of North Vietnam for inspiration on how to deal with any further problems in Northern Ireland, your big scary military sure showed them rice farmers whats what huh.
Right before they beat you that is.
I think the world would be happy if you solved the multitude of US domestic problems before telling the rest of the world how to run their buisness, wank stain
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Thursday, January 4, 2007 10:48 PM
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Next time you want to venture into talking about anything beyond Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel or Firefly, of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing, please do everyone a favour and don't. Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
I would also put money on George Bush campaign managers being less partisan than you, but that's not only by the by, but blindingly obvious to anyone who has ever read one of your posts.
You said you don't even know John Edwards. But the fact that you didn't find a quote from Bush or ANY OTHER politician which sank to the level of Edward's and his pandering only shows I was right after all. And yes, you did offer up a Bush quote, one which I admitted to having missed. But that quote was so inane and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we were having, it simply doesn't count. As for me 'lying' , that's an even farther reach than the Bush quote equating to what Edwards said. Please, learn the difference between being wrong and intentionally lying. I doubt you're so dense that you can't comprehend such a basic difference between the two.
" of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing "
That might stand as the most ridiculous and inane quote of yours for the entire year. And that's saying a lot.
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Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
I wasn't aware I needed to answer anything from 7%. Guess I'll go look up his last post. What does knowing the US political system have anything to do w/this discussion? Oh, nothing. That's right. If 7% does know more about the political system, then jolly good for him. But that doesn't make him more informed or 'right' on this issie.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:28 PM
For citizens reading pleasure, a reply to 7%'s post.
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No, but the fundies are scared of Jesus, and the current admins used their fear of science to scare up votes in the last election.
The Bush admin used their fear of science to scare up votes? Exactly how was that done ? And how'd that turn out, huh? I don't think the public gave two flips about the issue.
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What's the harm in pumping money and scientists into that research? Many awesome discoveries came out of projects relating to a bigger one. Who knows what we can find on the way?
The harm is that there is a finite amount of $$ for reasearch. And if you throw that $ down the rabbit hole chasing miracle cures from ESCs when there are very REAL cures and advances being made from adult stem cells, very real results being made TODAY, then you delay helpful treatments for untold numbers of paitents for the gamble that a few more could be helped down the road.
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Superman is a cultural icon. Is (was) Reeves more important than any of those people to you? No. But as a cultural icon, wouldn't it be great if the man who was a hero to the world, and after his accident a hero to the disabled, be able to walk again? My God, the hope that would have given the world would have been stunning.
You want a feel good story ? Read up on what Lance Armstrong was facing with his body full of tumors and how he fought back to not just survive, but to come back a true champion. I admired Chris Reeves myself, and acknowledge his bravery and courage. Both he and *Chucky Mullins are testiments to the power of the human spirit. They shall not soon be forgotten.
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But I want to bring something to your attention. You're over in other threads praising the death of Saddam. To the average Iraqi, is his hanging more important than when their brother got killed by accident by American forces? Or blown up in a car bomb by terrorists who weren't there when we started? It's amazing how you can sit here in one thread and get your righteous indignation on about saying one person isn't more important than another, then in an entirely different thread say that people should understand how certain people are more important than others, and be proud how one person was taken out at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. It's hypocracy.
I have no idea where you're going w/ this paragraph. Saddam murdered 10,000's of his own citizens. HE was directly responsible for the rape, torture and murder of his own countrymen. He commmitted crimes against humanity, and how you are oblivious to that really stuns me. Saddam is directly responsible for far more deaths of Iraqis than are the U.S. forces. There's no hypocrisy on my part, what so ever.
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Really? Bush said he was going to transform the mid-east into a democratic place by attacking Iraq. You still follow him happy-slappy down that magical fairy tale, long after people said it was a disaster. I guess you just can't recognize all those snake-oil salesmen, can you AU?
You see the Islamic terrorist as blameless for all the car bombs, rocket attacks, kidnappings, beheadings, etc.... I don't. There in lies the difference between us, I suppose.
Quote:How in the world was Edward's heinous comment in any way 'decent' ?? And just where the hell did I TWIST anything ? You sir, have it completely twisted in your skull. If you want to defend that heartless lawyer , by all means, have at it. Its you who has to face the reflection in mirror every morning. Hope you can stomach what you see.
Edwards made a thousand goofs and misquotes and "snake-oil" pitches in the last election cycle. But you, in your typical disingenuous fashion, pick the one decent quote the guy said and twist it. I don't even like the guy, and you made me want to defend him. Good job.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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Friday, January 5, 2007 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Bush admin used their fear of science to scare up votes? Exactly how was that done ? And how'd that turn out, huh? I don't think the public gave two flips about the issue.
Really? I could have sworn it was a major issue ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/issues/2004-10-2
6-stem-cell-research_x.htm
http://web.mit.edu/pugwash/electionguide2004/cloning.html
And the winner, numbnuts, is this one:
The president and his operatives know that their core base of supporters fervently opposes all forms of abortion and agrees that embryos are people from the moment of conception.
http://www.bioethics.net/articles.php?viewCat=2&articleId=69
..and about a thousand more articles available from any google search of election issues and Bush's base. Use the google-fu.
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The harm is that there is a finite amount of $$ for reasearch. And if you throw that $ down the rabbit hole chasing miracle cures from ESCs when there are very REAL cures and advances being made from adult stem cells, very real results being made TODAY, then you delay helpful treatments for untold numbers of paitents for the gamble that a few more could be helped down the road.
REAL scientists (see, I can use the caps key too) TODAY believe in the potential of ESC research. Why don't we take the money from other failed programs (it's been widely proven that despite the multimillions spent on it, abstinance only education is a wash) and spend it where it might do some good. The fact that American scientists are fleeing the country for other countries where the research is legal (see some of the above links, or use the google-fu) is damaging to the economy.
You also seem to equate putting some money into ESC research meant that I wanted to take money AWAY from ASC research. I never said that, but it was a nice attempted strawman from you nonetheless. I wish there were more money to go around for that too.
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You want a feel good story ? Read up on what Lance Armstrong was facing [...blah blah blah...] to the power of the human spirit. They shall not soon be forgotten.
I don't want a "feel good story." I want medical cures for people. Are you really stupid enough to compare Lance Armstrong with Reeves? It's apples and wrenches. Armstrong benefitted from medical science that already existed. He wasn't paralyzed with a fucking spinal injury that has no cures. Yes, he battled cancer. I battled cancer, I won too (several years ago, and it hasn't returned, thank God); that's feel good enough for me. But I could walk the whole time, because I didn't have a spinal injury!
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I have no idea where you're going w/ this paragraph.
That's because you either weren't paying attention or haven't developed reading comprehension skills basic to most 4th graders. Your pick.
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Saddam murdered 10,000's of his own citizens. HE was directly responsible for the rape, torture and murder of his own countrymen. He commmitted crimes against humanity, and how you are oblivious to that really stuns me. Saddam is directly responsible for far more deaths of Iraqis than are the U.S. forces. There's no hypocrisy on my part, what so ever.
You said, "what makes Reeves more important than my sister?"
In another thread, you said, "pursuing Saddam was more important than thousands of Iraqi lives and the lives of Americans"
I said, "Reeves may have been a beacon of hope for many, based on his status as a cultural icon."
I said, "many Iraqis feel that they were better off under Saddam, because an American hadn't killed their sister."
Is it really that hard for you to grasp how you are saying two completely opposite things? In one thread, no one person is more important than another, in an alternate thread, one person is more important than thousands. Hypocrite.
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You see the Islamic terrorist as blameless for all the car bombs, rocket attacks, kidnappings, beheadings, etc.... I don't.
I said t
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Friday, January 5, 2007 1:34 AM
Quote:How can that be a fact when its a false statement ? ESC research is legal here in the US. All that's been done is that no more $$ at the Fed level is spent on it. The private sector is free to spend to its hearts content. States are free to spend their own $$ on ESC research , as is the case in California.
The fact that American scientists are fleeing the country for other countries where the research is legal
Quote:No, you're a gullible and naive moron, that's what you are. They absolutely where there, and Saddam was giving them cover. Ever hear of Abu Abbas?
The difference is I'm smart enough to realize that Islamic terrorists weren't in Iraq before we got there.
“Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport….
Saddam also paid the fammilies of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
But there were no terrorist there, huh? Please.
Quote:Go back to grade school and learn the definition of the word before you use it, and then learn about CONTEXT. In different situations and under differnt arguments, the issue of hypocrisy is irrelevent. Why ? Because we are NOT talking about the same or *equivalent things. Moron.
Is it really that hard for you to grasp how you are saying two completely opposite things? In one thread, no one person is more important than another, in an alternate thread, one person is more important than thousands. Hypocrite.
Quote:I was referring to Edward's remark that a vote for him and Kerry would lead to find a cure for those like Reeves, and allow for him to stand up and walk out of that chair. THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE, pin head. Stop trying to bob and weave.
I explained all that in my first post in this thread. I'm only going to repeat one portion. You acted like his whole comment involved some psychic link that knew about the imminent death of Reeves and was made worse by it. It's not twisted, it's just idiotic.
And btw, it was citizen who dragged you back in here, w/ his post. Not me.
* The typo NAZIS are on the loose! Watch out!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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