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Drug war

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
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SEVENPERCENT

Monday, December 11, 2006 4:27 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Sorry. My bad. I was thinking that POTUS was a total miserable failure. I still do. I didn't mean to say that a drug addict couldn't attain a position, I meant they can't (sure, there may be exceptions,) but in general, they can't perform a function, well, or as well as, a non-addict.

Well, well, look at the backpedalling. You have said repeatedly that a drug addict, or even someone who uses recreationally, was doomed to life as a miserable wretch. Now you're saying there may be exceptions, and are trying to split hairs. Nice one. Busted.

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To be fair I think I said a great deal more.

Nope. I have yet to see a link posted or a fact cited. SO you really haven't.

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But the other side of that is I have no interest in the argument "drugs are bad" because I think that's back pedalling,

But you must have an interest in it, you're the one making it.

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I think it's a rhetorical trick aimed at getting the discussion away from solving the problem by questioning the existance of the problem, ie. it's exactly what the Bush admin has done on global warming, and I think you're doing it for the same reason.

I dispute that there is a problem. I dispute that the effects on society are nowhere near what you claim. I dispute that the effects on users in general, especially from "soft" drugs, are nowhere near what you claim. I support legalization of "soft" (just so we're clear, MJ, maybe Ecstacy, etc., but not heroin, coke, etc.) drugs.

You claimed getting rid of drugs would solve the problem. I say drugs are only a problem because of economic and social problems to begin with, and drug abuse is only a symptom of what's wrong, and cracking down on users won't fix anything. How you think I'm "globally warming" the argument is just bullshit from you, and everyone reading the thread can see it.

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I suspect most people get the destructive effects of drugs because they have seen it happen more than one.

I know several alcoholics. On the other hand, I know several hundred drinkers. Does that mean alcohol is destructive? Or that those people shouldn't drink, and they should seek help for a problem? I go with the latter. Why penalize several hundred for the brain chemistry of a few? That's what you're advocating, and Hero thinks you should poison the beer while you're at it. It's not rational.

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Am I too close to the problem? Possibly. As I said a few times before, my sister is a rehab counselor. But mostly she's just told me what to look for, and because of that, I've recognized that it is as bad as it is.

So your sister tells you horror stories, and (as a non-professional) now you're looking for case studies? Again, you're getting the fucked-up stories of a few people from a counselor and making sweeping generalizations about society. That's not good logic.

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Give it time, he'll get dumber.

How much time should I give it? 10 years? 20? He's been smoking as long as I've known him, how long does it take, oh wise god of the addict? Let's say he quits cold turkey tomorrow - according to you in this thread, he should never have been able to achieve what he has. You said all drug users were gun-toting trash - but yet you can't explain why the vast majority of Amerians that are recreational users are happy, stable people with jobs and friends. According to you, any time I step out the door I should be afraid for my life because of all the MJ users out there with uzis. It makes no sense.

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Amphetamines were part of the regimine in nazi germany.

Prove it. I have no idea where you got this fact. Any amphetamine use may have been in isolated cases; you're claiming that all the Third Reich were addicts. I'd like to see some evidence (bet I don't get any).

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The tendency to think death is cool, and torture, mutilation, etc., in my humble experience, has always gone hand in hand with hard drug use. Not mj, not alcohol, but heroin, coke or meth. Just, su

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 11, 2006 4:46 AM

Nicely put Seven.

DT.... Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And gorram it DT, you better have some evidence to back up your fantasy this time or me and my irredeemable meth-addict boyz are comin' to your town with AK-47s and lead pipes and we're going to make short work of you. Then we're going to sell your clean, drug-free organs on eBay to support our insane habit.

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CITIZEN

Monday, December 11, 2006 5:48 PM

DBL

CITIZEN

Monday, December 11, 2006 6:22 PM

This is what happens when the site crashes.

CITIZEN

Monday, December 11, 2006 6:22 PM

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Citizen,

You're just an ass. There's really nothing else I can say. You oppose everything I post whether you believe it or not. Whatever.

How much of a self righteous self absorbed arrogant little shit do you need to be exactly? You've got no answer to anything either myself or SgtX has posted so you call him a drug addict and me an 'ass'. You are truely pathetic.

I disagree with a great amount you say because I bother to do research and think for myself, where as you're an idiot potato farmer from the arse end of nowhere who thinks Joseph McCarthy was a great man.

It's really quite simple.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:59 AM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:

I don't know about you DreamTrove, but I for one welcome our Meth-addled, AK-47 toting, Brave New World overlords.

So I take it you voted for Bush.

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RUE:

I propose drugs be made legal and supplied by government (in constant amounts) to registered users in plain wrap out of dreary pharmacies.

No profit, no glamour, no lure of the unknown.

PS But to really mend the drug problem you'd have to change the economy. For every 1% rise in unemployment you get a 2% rise in alcoholism.

I like this idea. I think it would need to come with an education program. It's true that kids will sniff glue if the cool kids tell them to.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER:
It's crap like prozak and ritalin that are forced down our collective throats for diseases I'm not even convinced exist. What makes those drugs exempt from your crusade? Big Pharm endorsing them?

Who said they were exempt. Clearly you haven't read my comments on the other threads, even recent/current ones.

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Why don't you climb down off your cross

What an assinine remark. You clearly didn't even read my posts on this thread. Not a moral mission knucklehead, a scientific education. Potheads don't fight, of course not, they wouldn't remember what they were fighting about. Plus, they'd lose. Methheads might saw their heads off with kitchen knives and then carry their heads around in blood soaked pillow cases (real story)

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Well, well, look at the backpedalling. You have said repeatedly that a drug addict, or even someone who uses recreationally, was doomed to life as a miserable wretch. Now you're saying there may be exceptions, and are trying to split hairs. Nice one. Busted.

Whatever.
I think I said uninterrupted drug use. I'm not backing down, it's called trying to reach some sort of agreement. I'm not the only person on the Earth, so I know there may be world views which conflict with my own, in such things as what makes a successful life. The trend of drugs to destruction is unaffected.

...[rant]

I gave up reading your post.

Citizen,

But Joseph McCarthy *was* a great man. And you *are* an ass. The crackhead nation of the braindead which you so avidly support awaits you.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:08 AM

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So I take it you voted for Bush.

I had to try to stop laughing before I replied. I would think it very obvious that I would never vote Repuglican or Demoncrat from any one of the numerous posts I've put on this board, let alone this thread. They're just 2 sides of the same corrupt coin.

It should have read: "I don't know about you DreamTrove, but I for one welcome our Single-Party Repuglicrat Orwellian Overlords". My apologies on the confusion.

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SERGEANTX

Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:07 AM

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SEVENPERCENT

Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

I think I said uninterrupted drug use.

No, you didn't. And you haven't answered a single question I posted, which means - again - for all your bluster and supposed smarts you can't back up an argument with reason or facts. Typical from you.

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I gave up reading your post.

I gave up thinking you were rational.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Who said they were exempt. Clearly you haven't read my comments on the other threads, even recent/current ones.

No I haven't because they are, as you said, on other threads. Everything I have said is in reference to what you have said here, and the issue I've taken with it.

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Why don't you climb down off your cross

What an assinine remark. You clearly didn't even read my posts on this thread. Not a moral mission knucklehead, a scientific education. Potheads don't fight, of course not, they wouldn't remember what they were fighting about. Plus, they'd lose. Methheads might saw their heads off with kitchen knives and then carry their heads around in blood soaked pillow cases (real story)

Scientific education, huh? Who, exactly is, or is being, educated? And what science? Where are these facts? I seem to remember you saying, and I quote:

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...and that's not an opinion, it's a statistical fact.

Then when called on this by Sgt X you replied with:

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I'm not making this stuff up, or getting it from anti-drug zealots, whoever they are. I just look at the situation on the ground, and calling it as I see it.

So which is it? Are you getting this information from science, from statistical evidence? (both of which you have yet to provide) Or are you, in fact, simply calling it the way you see it? And if you are, who the hell elected you king shit? And if you were taking the scientific approach to solving this problem, as opposed to this being a 'moral mission' as you put it, than you wouldn't be advocating poisoning the drug supply. That's not science, that's genocide. While you're at it why not just poison the mentally retarded? Alot of them don't do a whole hell of alot to further society, and those that can't take care of themselves are actually a drain on us because our insurance companies have to pay for them to be put in a home? They seem to fit into the categories that make the drug users such a bane, so why not kill them too*? And there was a figure in history that took it upon himself to poison the 'undesireables' in society. His name was Hitler.

And though it's up in that quoted text, I have to post it again and I want everyone to REALLY read it.

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Methheads might saw their heads off with kitchen knives and then carry their heads around in blood soaked pillow cases (real story)

Okay, now read it again. See it? There you got it. How exactly does one cut off their own head and then proceed to carry it around in a blood soaked pillowcase? Is crystal meth the key ingredient in creating zombies? Now I know that's probably not what you meant to say, and it's because you suck at talking. And that's okay, we've come to terms with it, it's time you do as well.

And, for the record, putting 'real story' in parenthesis does not a true story make. I'll give you an example. *ahem* I have a 18 inch penis and used it to single handedly save the world from an invasion by mutated space lesbians from Mars (real story). I think that will sufice. How about posting a link there knucklehead, because something like that would have been in the news.

*Disclaimer: I do not, under any circumstance, endorse the mass killing of anyone, let alone the metally handicapped. Nor do I think they are a bane on society. I was simply using that example to drive home the point. I hope I haven't offended anyone.

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