Drug war
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 23:52
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I for my part, have know, and still know several people who lead productive professional lives, and indulge in recreation drug use of varrying types. I don't see much peer pressure there, some partake, others do not. No one cares either way. Of all those people over the years, only one has had his life really fall apart, and he a destructive dishonest person to begin with.
On the other hand, I have known several people who's lives have been destroyed or permanently diminished due to Alcohol.
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I'd agree if you're talking about those mired in serious, destructive drug addiction
Sorry, I wasn't clear. that's who I meant. The others are redeemable.
LOL... right. Anyone who ever gets high is in need of redemption? I suppose anyone who's ever had a drink of wine is just dead weight on society as well, eh?
You really don't seem to have a realistic view of this issue at all. Maybe you've seen some hard core abusers - I know they're bad news - but that's not the norm. Just like hard core alcoholics don't represent everyone who drinks.
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Quote:Exactly how we should deal with lawyers. Poision the bastards and the world will be a better place.
Originally posted by Hero:
Poison.
Rather then intercept and destroying illegal drugs. Intercept them, poison them, and then reintroduce them to the pipeline at local, regional, and national levels.
That will very quickly eliminate the problem by eliminating a large number of users and forcing most of the rest to go cold turkey. Those who succeed...good. Those who don't, die.
Problem solved.
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Being someone who refuses to consume caffeine, and severely monitors his sugar intake, I have very strict personal beliefs about the introduction of drugs and narcotics in to my body. But they are personal beliefs. I think drugs should be legalized, with the same restrictions we put on alcohol (public use, driving, etc.). Creating legitimate businesses out of them seems like it would severely undermine the criminal enterprise's monopoly on the products, hopefully bankrupting them in the long run. It might also make it easier to control and monitor the substances themselves.
And in the long run, if whatever nation ends up turning into a giant cesspool of crime and debauchery, well, what's really changed?
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Quote:So you're proving that legalisation is bad by pointing to countries where drugs are illegal. Oookay...
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,
I'm sure I could dig up some problems on Holland, but I know at the moment they have some other major problems, overpop, immigration, ethnic tensions and a new rise in aids, Amsterdam is will known for how "fine" it is doing with its drug situation.
You what countries are doing "fine," re: their drug problems? A whole bunch in east asia, that lock tourists away for life because they have a bad of weed.
Legalisation is the best anwser, that crap about wanting a solution not the lesser of two evils is exactly that. Crap. In the real world there's no such thing as a perfect solution. I think you know legalisation is better, but you're ideologically opposed to it so you want 'something else'.
Okay, something else, forcibly adjust everyone's brains at Birth to not be effected by drugs maybe? Or maybe pump some sort of drug into the atmosphere that makes people 'better' so that they 'voluntarilly' choose not to take the drugs that the government (or you, whatever) decide are 'bad'. You can call it the Packs because it sends drugs a packin'.
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And in the long run, if whatever nation ends up turning into a giant cesspool of crime and debauchery, well, what's really changed?
*spews coffee out his nose laffin*
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Hero:Poison.
Rather then intercept and destroying illegal drugs. Intercept them, poison them, and then reintroduce them to the pipeline at local, regional, and national levels.
That will very quickly eliminate the problem by eliminating a large number of users and forcing most of the rest to go cold turkey. Those who succeed...good. Those who don't, die.
Problem solved.
Hero, I take back everything I ever said about you. You're a genius. You wouldn't have to fataly poison them, just ruin the experience. Of course, I'm against vigilante action, but if the govt. want to do something like this, it would be like that beer that makes you puke. That's really not a bad idea.
Citizen,
Some of us represent that remark.
Auraptor,
It's anecdotal counter-argument stuff, you're essentially taking a pro-drug position in a clever way. Since you know that the war onm drugs has been basically agreed by everyone here to be a failure, that attacking it is not going to make a strong point.
Drug deaths include overdoses, gang warfare, suicides in large numbers, and homocides, abundantly. There was this recent methhead case of the guy coming back from canada with the bloody chainsaw, not to mention, the drug use in our military, and the incidents there, or in past militaries.
I'm not arguing this point. I don't have any interest in doing so. You're essentially asking me to prove that there is a problem, and I think we're way passed that. It's a form of backtracking, like the president asking people to prove global warming. It's already been proven enough.
Moving on.
Storymark,
Heavy alcohol use is a serious problem., not really disagreeing with you there. The point on the other is that you may see that situation, but it's really not very common, because I've seen a fair amount, and I've never seen that, and I don't imagine that if someone compiled a statistical database that you'd find that passive situation to be common.
Sgt. X.
All I've seen, basically. Thousands of them. I don't believe in your fairy tale casual user. The only causal users I've met are ones who later turn out to either redeem or be ones with serious problems, not fun la-di-da perpetual casual users.
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You really don't seem to have a realistic view of this issue at all.
Whatever. I'm sure I have a very realistic view of it.
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CMH:
Creating legitimate businesses out of them seems like it would severely undermine the criminal enterprise's monopoly on the products, hopefully bankrupting them in the long run.
Because it's worked so well with alcohol and tobacco
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It might also make it easier to control and monitor the substances themselves.
This I'll grant.
I think we have a bunch of users on the board. The nation is undoubtedly doomed. Isn't there a christian here who isn't also a meth-head, or someone who can weigh in on the idea that Brave New World is not in fact a desirable state of affairs, or that Reavers are really in part a reference to these sort of fringe junkies?
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think we have a bunch of users on the board. The nation is undoubtedly doomed. Isn't there a christian here who isn't also a meth-head, or someone who can weigh in on the idea that Brave New World is not in fact a desirable state of affairs, or that Reavers are really in part a reference to these sort of fringe junkies?
Jesus DT. Did I ever have you wrong. You've struck me as someone with a decent respect for freedom and tolerance, and with fair clarity regarding politics. What have you been smoking?
Seriously, we're all doomed because some people use drugs? Gimme a break, people have used drugs pretty consistently throughout history. At least consider the possibility that you're overreacting here.
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Quote:Huh?
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,
Some of us represent that remark.
Quote:Much better than prohibition yes.
Because it's worked so well with alcohol and tobacco
There isn't many choices, there's illegal or legal, there's no middle ground between the two, no a little bit illegal but mostly legal. You either legalise it or you don't.
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Sgt. X.
The first step is to admit you have a problem.
Sure, I'm on the side of the free society. Our free societies right to have a free society. I'm attacking what I, imho, and quite objectively, as its #1 threat, which is not terrorists, it's drugs. It's not the minor background drugs that there used to be, but hardcore highly concentrated everywhere drugs, and the neanderthal chaos that ensues.
Surely, Sgt. X., you have to realize this, even if you're in intense denial re: your own habit. What is it? Marijuana? Do you want to compromise on that? A grow your own law? I could support that. But I think that the legalization / commericalization route would be social suicide.
And how could you have me wrong, I think I've said about 500 times I support every societies right to set it's own rules. If someone wants to set up the society of Acid City, then sure, they can go ahead. But what we have is acid city everywhere, and no right to set up an "our kids won't kill their brains and become paranoid losers" society, which is, imho, what I think we need in order to not be left completely in the dust here by the asian nations who are willing to shoot offenders on the spot. I don't want to go that level, I like our free society, but this is not a free society, man, when it's being run by the crackheads, skinheads and gangstas.
If you weren't using yourself, you'd see this clearly. The rest of us are completely unable to do our own thing because your own thing is fucking it up. You're free to do your own thing somewhere else, but not in our homes with our kids bringing your dealers and addicts and their AK47s and everything. No way, no gorram way. Not on my boat.
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Because it's worked so well with alcohol and tobacco
Much better than prohibition yes.
Citizen, what are you on?
You really think that the commercialization of beer and cigarettes has reduced their consumption? Give me a break.
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