If all your friends jumped off a cliff ...
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Saturday, November 25, 2006 16:24
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Quote:That's the thing about being anti-lemming: one gets ridiculed a lot. It is interesting to me that wanting "too much" freedom is considered flaky.
Originally posted by seryn:
Have you ever thought of buying you'rself a shack in the woods somewhere and never coming into contact with humans ever again?
Chris, thanks for your note on the vaccine industry. You've never been mean, no matter how wacko someone is on this board. That's an awesome human quality.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time.
--E. B. White (1899 - 1985), New Yorker, July 3, 1944
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Quote:That doesn't mean vaccinations are bad, just that your system for providing them is, to get all street on yo punk ass "Wacked" don't you know dear boy.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Vaccination moved away from being that which you described, and onto a money-making scheme for the medical industrial complex, like insurance for cars. Some vaccination has been critical for general public health, but why, for instance, vaccinate a baby for hepititus when there is none present in the parents? Babies don't generally share needles when shooting heroine.
BTW, do you know HOW they prepare vaccines in general? Eeewwwwwww.
Your medical industry is a for profit industry instead of a service, then some wonder why it's run for the good of the profit rather than the good of the patient. Erm, hello?
Vaccines aren't bad, and saying "no it's okay you don't have to vaccinate if you don't want to" makes all vaccinations pointless. Vaccinations have more or less wiped out certain diseases where they have been used. What about the freedom of other people to not be willfully exposed to diseases?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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I've no doubt that alot of companies, given control over a drug that a lot of people want is going to abuse it to make as much money as they can - it the kind of sick mentality that prevails sadly. I also think where we differ is that in this country our imunisation programmes - from birth through to the end of school and in some cases beyond - are free on the NHS, there fore avoiding cost issues at the individual level.
But even if i had to pay for it i would still do my absolute best to have my children immunised.
See theres a long list of diseases that used to kill thousands every year until quite recently that immunisation, in conjunction with improved nutrition and hygeine have been all almost eradicated in the west, and are still raging in developing countries with no immunisation programmes.
Plus take into consideration the recent scare over MMR jabs in this country (in this case, it wasn't actually the vaccine, but a preservative causing the problems) So now hundreds of children up and down the land are vulnerable to the diseases, meaning that if it gets here (and its very possible that it will), we have quite a tragic epidemic on our hands and hundreds of children, if not killed, are going to be left severly affected.
As for hepatitis in particular - there are several types, and i'm no expert, but i'm pretty sure they are contracted through bodily fluids. So say a mother contracts it through any one on of the possible ways - breastfeeding is going to become a really bad idea.
As for CanttakeSky. Oh thats was a pointed comment - be careful, you might hurt my feelings.
My comments were an emotional reaction, yes, but what else kind of reaction can you have to a person given a great world to live in who when given the freedom to champion causes as they see fit, chooses such self-serving and insular ones?
you're entire post, where you set yourself up as such a noble misunderstood fighter, was based on the principle of 'well, i'll take care of me and the rest of you can go to hell'.
Is there any reason do you think why you're kind of alone in that view?
and yes, i know how they make vaccines - there a range of childrens books even that take delight in sharing all the icky details about medicine.
Do you know where antibiotics come from? How doctors learned how the humn body works? It all makes for pretty grim reading, but that doesn't discount the benefits.
Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
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Quote:Citizen, all vaccines aren't bad, just as all Republicans aren't. But there are some bad and/or useless ones out there. It's best to be informed about each and every one beforehand, that's all. We got our son properly vaccinated for the right diseases, at the time his immune system could handle the particular vaccine. It's another example of an issue that's not entirely black and white.
Originally posted by citizen:
Vaccines aren't bad, and saying "no it's okay you don't have to vaccinate if you don't want to" makes all vaccinations pointless. Vaccinations have more or less wiped out certain diseases where they have been used. What about the freedom of other people to not be willfully exposed to diseases?
Breakin' it down for y'all Chrisisall
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Quote:Oh, I've been mean at times. Hopefully they've been few, though.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Chris, thanks for your note on the vaccine industry. You've never been mean, no matter how wacko someone is on this board. That's an awesome human quality.
Too bad there's no vaccine for ignorance, huh?
(Ooops! Mean slipping out
)A shot of Chrisisall
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Quote:Which is kind of why I mentioned not present in the parents...
Originally posted by seryn:
As for hepatitis in particular - there are several types, and i'm no expert, but i'm pretty sure they are contracted through bodily fluids. So say a mother contracts it through any one on of the possible ways - breastfeeding is going to become a really bad idea.
BTW, did YOU get your Klingon Slug Flu shot yet?
It's makin' it's way here any century now, they tell me...
Very bad man Chrisisall
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Safe, eh ?
Google: Thimerosal, subsearch: Autism.
Gee, when WAS the last case of Mumps around here, I wonder ?
And yes, CTS, being anything but a subservient little administration ball sucker will get you ridiculed, but just make sure there's a hefty component of fear involved.
I'd rather be regarded as a rabid, hostile, foaming at the mouth dangerous flake, than a pathetic, whiny, waiting victim for the new brownshirts - they don't mess with you so much if they think you may actually do harm unto them.
You're gonna get the "flake" rep regardless, so you might as well exploit it.
-Frem
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Quote:How does wanting the freedom to not vaccinate MY children, give birth to MY children at home, teach MY children at home send the rest of you to hell?
Originally posted by seryn:
you're entire post, where you set yourself up as such a noble misunderstood fighter, was based on the principle of 'well, i'll take care of me and the rest of you can go to hell'.
Vaccines are supposed to cause immunity so that WHEN EXPOSED to the disease, you don't catch it. (If you're never exposed, then vaccines are superfluous.)
If your children are vaccinated, and vaccines work, your kids are protected, period. No amount of exposure can hurt them. If vaccines work, the only people that need to be afraid of diseases are unvaccinated kids. So not vaccinating does not threaten the "rest of you."
The only people that not vaccinating may threaten are those who have medical contraindications for vaccination. Those are the people protected by "herd immunity." (The rest of the people are protected by the vaccines.)
Now I can go into detail about how exemptors do not threaten herd immunity and such, but that is a different thread. If someone wants to start that thread, I'll post. I don't want to hijack Rue's thread for that.
In summary, yes I want the freedom to take care of my own the way I see fit--it hurts no one, but people feel the need to ridicule it just the same. This, to me, is uncalled for.
As far as Libertarianism goes, that does impact society, but I have the right to fight for the political reforms I believe in same as everyone else. And as all's fair in politics, ridicule is part and parcel of the game. I don't mind putting up with it when it comes to my political beliefs.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."
-- Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.
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Quote:One of the possible pitfalls we avoided, thank goodness.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Safe, eh ?
Google: Thimerosal, subsearch: Autism.
We also didn't bother circumsizing.
We're rebels like that.
Question the peeps with the money Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
If you were in a small minority - what would you publicly stand up for?
...and back on topic.
I see no reason why marriage, and the legal benefits that accrue, should be limited to just two people of any sex or sexual orientation.
Also. If any of my friends were determined to jump off a cliff, even after my entreaties to stop, I'd offer to hold their wallets and car keys.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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