If all your friends jumped off a cliff ...
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Saturday, November 25, 2006 16:24
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Quote:That's cold, dude.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I'd offer to hold their wallets and car keys.
I mean, unless they got REALLY nice wheels....
Ain't jumpin' Chrisisall
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ever seen 'Last Supper' - brilliant film... well worth the watch.
Seryn, I suspect that you and I are the products of our British generation.... I agree on much of what you said, not quite all, but much.
What would I stand up for...? I reckon I would fight for the idea of common humanity. Ultimately we are all the same and all want pretty much the same end result for ourselves and everyone else. However, we all have different ideas of how to reach that 'goal'. Nobody knows who has the best plan, but we should all be happy to allow others to follow their own paths (so long as it isn't to other's detriment or hurt) and if you are the one who achieves, then have humility in that success.
Nomatter how much any individual succeeds it is meaningless if there is no-body to share it with, and the more you can share it with the greater the experience.
To quote Rudyard Kipling:
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
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I agree with most of what canttakesky said, but there as some points that need a bit of fine tuning, I think. I was just telling a friend yesterday about how I'd make marijuana, gambling and prostitution legal just so that the government could rake in money on regulating it. Also, I think regulating them would lead to a greater ability to control them and the negative consequences that come with them. The money earned could also be put towards other programs I have in mind, including a total revamp of what they teach in schools.
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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Quote:There is another issue where the "freedom hurts community" fallacy gets played a lot. I have heard the argument that allowing gay marriage destroys the integrity of ALL marriages. How does the freedom to marry whomever one chooses hurt everyone else's marriage?
Originally posted by Geezer:
I see no reason why marriage, and the legal benefits that accrue, should be limited to just two people of any sex or sexual orientation.
Perhaps I am too much of a flake to understand. But, on a brighter note, I am pleased to see I am not the only flaky anti-lemming on the board (thanks Frem and Chrismoorhead).
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority.
--E. B. White
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Quote:Why, if we allow those gays to marry, then they'll be...married...just like us....and they're NOT just like us, I mean, we eat, drink, and breathe....wait, that's not what I mean....I mean, if they marry, then we...uhhhhh...well it affects us in that.... er, uh....
Originally posted by canttakesky:
There is another issue where the "freedom hurts community" fallacy gets played a lot. I have heard the argument that allowing gay marriage destroys the integrity of ALL marriages. How does the freedom to marry whomever one chooses hurt everyone else's marriage?
I guess it doesn't affect us.
Okay. All settled.
RIGHT?!?!?!?!
Did I make my point Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Why, if we allow those gays to marry, then they'll be...married...just like us....and they're NOT just like us, I mean, we eat, drink, and breathe....wait, that's not what I mean....I mean, if they marry, then we...uhhhhh...well it affects us in that.... er, uh....
Originally posted by canttakesky:
There is another issue where the "freedom hurts community" fallacy gets played a lot. I have heard the argument that allowing gay marriage destroys the integrity of ALL marriages. How does the freedom to marry whomever one chooses hurt everyone else's marriage?
I guess it doesn't affect us.
Okay. All settled.
RIGHT?!?!?!?!
Did I make my point Chrisisall
But... if we let the gays marry, then pretty soon people will get to marry their pets...
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"What the world needs now is love, sweet love - it's the only thing that there's just too little of. What the world needs now is love, sweet love. No, not just for some, but for everyone."
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Quote:How much danger would I be in? I'm not sure I'd be in the middle of a blood-lusting lynch mob yelling "SET HIM FREE!"
If you were in a small minority - what would you publicly stand up for?
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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SignyM, you ARE a minority.
Get less informed, you'll be stupider, but happier.
At least, that's the plan.....
Joining the un-hooked-on-truth generation Chrisisall
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Quote:....hmmmm....I don't know about gambling though....Too destructive for mainstream USA.....but the rest I would agree with.
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
I was just telling a friend yesterday about how I'd make marijuana, gambling and prostitution legal just so that the government could rake in money on regulating it. Also, I think regulating them would lead to a greater ability to control them and the negative consequences that come with them. The money earned could also be put towards other programs I have in mind, including a total revamp of what they teach in schools.
A take Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Which is kind of why I mentioned not present in the parents...
Originally posted by seryn:
As for hepatitis in particular - there are several types, and i'm no expert, but i'm pretty sure they are contracted through bodily fluids. So say a mother contracts it through any one on of the possible ways - breastfeeding is going to become a really bad idea.
which is why i mentioned 'so say the mother contracts it through any one of the possible ways...'
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BTW, did YOU get your Klingon Slug Flu shot yet?
It's makin' it's way here any century now, they tell me...
Do we have to get silly about this?
My point is that mumps, rubella, measles, pox - these are all dieases that are still present in many countries, all it takes is one unvaccinated person to go on holiday, bring it back, go to school or work, infect a few more unvaccinated kids, and voila - we have a minor epidemic on our hands.
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Safe, eh ?
Google: Thimerosal, subsearch: Autism.
So I googled....
Thimerosal is a highly effective preservative and anti-contaminant derived from mercury. It was once common in minute quantities in many medical and ophthalmic solutions, including vaccines and contact lens storage liquids. Yet vaccine manufacturers removed thimerosal from almost all children's vaccines at least five years ago. Thimerosal is still present in some flu vaccines, but thimerosal-free versions have been available for several years.
As recently as last month, the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry published a report by UK and Japanese researchers that disproved the thimerosal-autism connection in a study of 30,000 Japanese kids.
More to the point: If there were a link between thimerosal and autism, you would expect to see a sharp decrease in autism, since thimerosal has been absent from all childhood vaccines (except some flu vaccines) for five years now, On the contrary, the documented autism rate has continued to climb, proving there is no relationship between the two whatsoever.
Yet in a recent web search on "thimerosal autism," five of the first ten results link to alarmist informational sites bankrolled by law firms. Not to knock my fellow professionals, but this data point makes it easier to understand why there is still so much press on the alleged thimerosal-autism connection. The agenda of many of these sites is quite clear: to link vaccines to autism and to stimulate lawsuits by aggrieved parents. As for the media's ongoing interest in autism, sensationalism seems to be the primary motive.
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/03/revisiting-thimerosal-autism.ht
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Gee, when WAS the last case of Mumps around here, I wonder ?
During 2004--2005, the United Kingdom (UK) experienced a nationwide epidemic of mumps, which peaked during 2005 when 56,390* notified cases were reported in England and Wales. The majority of confirmed cases during 2004--2005 were in persons aged 15--24 years, most of whom had not been eligible for routine mumps vaccination.
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5507a1.htm
And CTS - I never called you a flake, I said your concerns were self interested.
My point - badly made i'll conceed, is that should there be no tax, no government control, no this no that and you're all happy with your supposed freedom, there's no healthcare, no police force no prison service, no welfare, no support of any kind for those people who for what ever reason - the disbled, the elderly.
So in your system, if you can't earn money yourself, and have no one to earn it for you, you're screwed. Also consider the amount of jobs generated by government administration and the above services.
The system is hopelessly flawed yes (though the optimist in me keeps thinking that with oy this prevailing MY,MY,MY attitude we could get it sorted much faster), and admitedly, even with a government a lot of people are living in conditions way below even the sta
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