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Male and Female Imponderables--Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain

POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Monday, November 13, 2006 22:30
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Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:07 PM

Magdalena, it's nice to be missed. I have been involved in some special projects for one of my bosses that turned me into a lurker, and right after that I was on vacation for a week away from any computer. Inertia did the rest. But I'm back (Woohoo!) and loving it!

Anyway, as far as I know, our Opera season is mainly in the Spring for the stuff I am involved with. Usually if they do something in the Fall they bring in outside groups or special performers. This Spring we are doing "La Cenerentola" by Rossini, on January 18th and 20th, and Puccini's "La Boheme" on March 29th and 31st. I know there is a rehearsal sometime in the next week or two and I will ask the Chorus Director what's going on in the Fall.

Sorry for the long-winded post. Now, back to your previously scheduled pondering, already in progress.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:45 PM

Check out this vid and ponder away - beware it could well blow your mind!

http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/10/hubble-deep-field-most-import
ant-image.html


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any society that gives up a little liberty for a little security, deserves neither and loses both - Ben Franklin U.S

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:30 PM

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My theory is that those who are happy in arranged marriages are those who are happy to be told what to do. I am not happy to be told what to do, so I would not be happy with someone else chosing my husband/spouse/life partner etc etc.



I think the most interesting thing about modern arranged marriages is that they aren't forced. I would have agreed with you, vehemently, until I befriended a couple in England, Asim and Huma.

I guess what they said that clicked for me was that they had each met dozens of potential suitors before, and turned them down - the offer wasn't forced, it was a suggestion. With each suggestion came the knowledge that the match would be welcomed and embraced by both sides of the family, but it was still up to them, individually, to say yes to someone they saw a future with.

As you might imagine, their religion and their parents forbade them from being alone together before the wedding (nevermind that they were in their mid 20s with college degrees) but both of them snuck off half a dozen times to have coffee and talk, without spectators, to just...well, date. Secretly of course, but an important element to their courtship.

Anyways, just an example of people being in arranged marriages NOT accepting what they're being told to do ;)

Don't make faces.

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:34 PM

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Originally posted by McQ:
at what time does "late at night" become "early in the morning"? We all come from different parts of the world and therefore are in different time zones. Yet it could be 2am and one would say "it's 2 in the morning and I haven't slept yet" while someone else would say "it's late at night, maybe I should go to bed". Does it depend on whether you've been to bed yet? Just thought I'd toss this one out there.




For me, definitely depends on two things:
1) have I gone to bed yet
2) what time my day begins

For instance, if it is four in the morning (technically) but it's on the weekend and I plan to sleep until noon, I would say it's late at night. If it's four in the morning and I have an assignment due at eight, I'd say it's morning and a whole slew of cuss words.

Don't make faces.

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by McQ:

I have one of an unusual nature. Don't know if it's been discussed before on here though since I'm new but - at what time does "late at night" become "early in the morning"? We all come from different parts of the world and therefore are in different time zones. Yet it could be 2am and one would say "it's 2 in the morning and I haven't slept yet" while someone else would say "it's late at night, maybe I should go to bed". Does it depend on whether you've been to bed yet? Just thought I'd toss this one out there.





I usually prefer using the very literal way of thinking about it, because that's pretty much how I always think. So I just say if it's past midnight then it's early in the morning, and if it's before, then it's late at night. Or at least that's what I would say, but I might be thinking that it's late at night....
okay maybe I shouldn't try to figure out how my mind works....

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Love keeps her in the air when she outta fall down, tells you she's hurting before she keels. Makes her a home.

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MSG
Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:09 PM

CMH- It speaks well of you that you don't malign your mom HUGS...Hmm I think there are very few things in this world that are "absolutely evil and wrong" from any perspective. I'd say enjoying and finding delight in pain and suffering of others is wrong no matter what. I'd say that harming a child for ANY reason is wrong, but apart from that I think it has to do with your beliefs and perception. So I'd pretty much agree with you that with any action taken, it has the possibility to cause another to believe that action is wrong...so we bumble through as best possible. I also think that most humans have the capacity for tremendous good and tremendous evil and the choices we make lead us in one direction or another... Now one of your comments has brought up a ponderable for me and strangely a very serious one.

Can you truly love someone if you don't trust them?? If, in any way, you don't completely trust them not to intentionally( because we all accidentally do this sometimes) cause you pain, be it emotional or physical can you really love them??

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright


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Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:56 PM

KingJayne, I loved the vid. I have friends who are astro physicists. I could listen to them all day long. Of course I only get a glimmer of what they are talking about. We are very small.

How about going the other direction? Have you heard of the Mandelbrot Set? Julian sets were discovered in the late 1800s, but they had never been seen because the calculations took too long. Until, in the late 1960s when computers were assessable. Mandelbrot first entered the coordinates for what is now known as the Mandelbrot set. When plotted on a computer, it can be infinitely magnified. Interestingly there are little Mandelbrot sets with in the original.

I have quiet a few, but these are my favorites:

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(this first one is called "A Mandelbrot the size of the known Universe" because by the time they have magnified it at the end the original set would be the size of the Universe).

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They say that it's possible that any pattern or shape can be found in the Mandelbrot set.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 12:20 AM

Mandelnautics is such a trip, thanks for the links verseexplorer.

All of those clips remind me of a friend who had an acid flashback during 2001: space oddesey. He just pitched a fit on my sofa mumbling something about rabbits chasing him in '66



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Monday, November 13, 2006 12:53 AM

OK, I was under the influence when I saw 2001: A Space Odessey, but that's another story.

I thought of the Mandelbrot Set because the music on the video you shared was the same music from a program called "The Colours Of Infinity." It's about Benoit Mandelbrot and how he found the M-Set. Interestingly, the program was narrated by Arthur C. Clarke, who wtote and directed 2001: A Space Odessey.



I made a web site to introduce my friends to the 'Verse.
http://web.mac.com/arcadianlc

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Monday, November 13, 2006 1:21 AM

Magdalena - I know that you meant it as a compliment, and I hope I wasn't being too harsh in responding the way I did. A while ago, I told everyone about how I always go through a sort of hazing period with new people, intentional or otherwise. I can only remember one friend of mine who liked me right away. Of course, back then, everyone here seemed to think I was looking for pity, I even recall the "No body likes me, everybody hats me" line being thrown at me. But I think the course of my stay here has shown otherwise. People really do dislike me at first, and have to adjust to me just as I have to adjust to them. That period's over, and I'm glad that most of you can accept me for who I am now. Of course, there's some people who just refuse to do that, but maybe you've read my opinions that there will always be conflict in life. If I didn't have a couple people ranging from disliking me to being sworn enemies, I wouldn't know what to do.

MSG - The very first classroom session that I received during Basic Training, our Senior Drill Sargent told us about his most recent deployment, about how he had seen a young boy pointing an RPG In the direction of him and his squad. Without hesitation, he said, he put a round right in between the child's eyes, and lives without the slightest bit of regret.

"There are many moments for ruthless action - what is often called ruthless - what may in many circumstances be only clarity, seeing clearly what there is to be done and doing it, directly, quickly, awake, looking at it."

It seems to me that no matter what face you put on it, there's only one party's action, and another party's reaction. Animals kill each other, each other's young, many species are cannibalistic. What makes us an exception seems only to be the expectations of those around us. Some societies would not shame a person for killing a child. This in mind, what authority decides that it is evil to hurt just because you enjoy hurting? It's only the expectation of society that one be more merciful that dictates that line of thinking.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, either. For sure, I've pretty much drawn the line the same place that our constitution does; when your actions inflict upon someone else's life, liberty or property. But even that's only a logical approach, the way that it "should" be. Being part of nature, I can for one say that while I believe that nature has a balance, it is anything but logical.

You might be asking yourself why I'd be justifying the "evil" actions of others if it's something I don't partake in myself. There seems little point in justifying something that you're morally opposed to, doesn't it? Well, the way I see it is that continuing to judge these acts from a position of moral authority only weakens us. Attaching meaning where there is none will ultimately make us more passionate in our pursuit of abolishing it. Passion has it's place in many things, but using it as a catalyst in matters of conflict is dangerous. Is has a tendency to consume us in those affairs, to make us hate, and in that regard, make us become what we are trying to destroy. What is the old quote?

"He who seeks to destroy evil should be careful not to become evil himself."

Or something to that effect? I'm not saying that it's wrong to have morals; only to judge other people's morals, or seeming lack thereof, as "wrong". Because it is judgment, that type of judgment, that will defeat us.

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkiries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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