Male and Female Imponderables--Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain
POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Monday, November 13, 2006 22:30
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Originally posted by shinykitten:
anyway....do we have an imponderable?
I have one of an unusual nature. Don't know if it's been discussed before on here though since I'm new but - at what time does "late at night" become "early in the morning"? We all come from different parts of the world and therefore are in different time zones. Yet it could be 2am and one would say "it's 2 in the morning and I haven't slept yet" while someone else would say "it's late at night, maybe I should go to bed". Does it depend on whether you've been to bed yet? Just thought I'd toss this one out there.
O Captain, My Captain? (or the other way around)
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The official Court Jester of the Mythical Land that is Iowa! Woohoo!!
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Awwww, I'm feeling the love!
Can't get into photobucket because my work computer doesn't seem to always like it, but BIG HUGS to my jie jie and all you wonderful understanding imponderers. I've worked out a lot of things posting here (as to childhood and teenage issues, I've got those mostly worked out and don't feel the need to talk about them in detail unless all of you really want to hear about it and how I've worked to get past it) and it's nice when a question can spark a Flash of the Obvious; one of those things you always sorta knew, but didn't think about of connect to other things.
Y'all became my family as soon as I signed on. You helped me through a painful time and helped me heal afterwards. It's amazing to have such great friends 
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Hey Mei Mei - I feel the same way myownself (sorry - I know I use that word too often - but I love it!! Bit of a closet Nandi I think!! 
) I think I have shared how I became a browncoat and ironically at 2.30 in the morning/late at night thanks Q!! I logged in to Google and joined every and any site that had firefly in it's title - I felt I had to add to the number of voices supporting this amazing story and it's writers and actors and all involved!!
I posted once-only on a couple of sites... nothing - but FFF.net was the first one, and time and again I returned to find warmth and welome and a real sense of community... yes it did become family right away!
The Imponderers was probably the reason I really felt at home - such honest, non-judgemental folk sharing and caring for one another... thanks again to you all for making it so!
Love and hugs! Magda x x x
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Since this is the safest place to admit such a thing... would any of you trust (or have trusted, for those married) your parents to find a mate for you? Arranged - not blind, but arranged. I for one would really love it if my parents would just find the guy for me. I have no doubt that I would love whoever they chose, plus, added bonus, he'd already get along with my family! I don't come from any cultural or religious tradition where this is going to happen, it's mostly just wishful thinking...but I thought I'd throw it out there. Feelings about arranged marriages? Always more and more of them out there, and the three couples I know who were arranged are some of the happiest I've ever known.
It's an imponderable, at least. Every culture has its own reaction to the idea, but the deeper you look and the further you consider the more complex the whole thing becomes.
Don't make faces.
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MSG - Well, if you're dead set on that opinion of my mother, I wont try and change it. Just let it be known that I never spoke ill of her myself. Filial piety is important to me.
Shinnykitten - Afraid I've never read anything by him. I discussed this elsewhere, but I don't really read a whole lot of fiction. Right now I have to finish and Autobiography by Johnny Cash, then a VERY thick book by Col. Hackworth. I also have a rotating cast of books that I try to re-read, Sun Tzu, weapon manuals, wilderness tracking, etc. Reading is not really a leisurely activity for me. I do appreciate the recommendation, though.
Magdalen - I've never really been closed to anyone. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that keeping secrets only presents weaknesses for others to exploit. Consequently, people have thought me to be a braggart, or judged me based on things I've done that most other people would keep secret. On that note, I don't think that I've particularly changed anything about myself to accommodate anyone here. I still think that women can prevent themselves from being raped with more than just their outward attitude in public. I still wonder if things like killing a loved one would make a man a more effective soldier. I still think conflict is the spark of life, and that real men love to fight. In the words of Gen. Patton:
"The third reason we are fighting is because men like to fight. They always have and they always will. Some sophisticates and other crackpots deny that. They don't know what they're talking about. They are either goddamned fools or cowards, or both. Men like to fight, and if they don't, they're not real men."
And also:
"Americans love to fight - traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle."
Marina - If I was willing to marry at all, I think that I might trust my parents to pick out a suitable partner. I've only had 2 girlfriends in my life, and I would have married either one of them. Commitment and learning to love a person have never been particularly hard for me. Trust, on the other hand... but then, that's the whole reason I don't date anymore. I don't trust any woman not to cheat on me, or break up with me eventually. In the end, it all seems like an exercise in futility, and by that, a waste of time and effort.
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkiries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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Q, I have no idea where night ends and morning begins, as it is different for everyone. For me (before I started graveyards and was just a night owl) it would be 'really late' until the sun started to come up, and then it would be 'morning' even if I hadn't gone to bed yet. Now it's just all skewed.
As to arranged marriages... I don't know about that. I've heard they can turn out well, but they can also turn out badly. Not that marriages of your own choosing have any kind of guarantee, either. I think my mom knows pretty well what I need, but I wouldn't want her just pointing at someone and saying "Marry him." I'd not be okay with that. Also, I'd want to know someone for awhile before I married them.
My theory is that those who are happy in arranged marriages are those who are happy to be told what to do. I am not happy to be told what to do, so I would not be happy with someone else chosing my husband/spouse/life partner etc etc. []
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I'm not so sure I'd want my parents picking out who I should marry. Considering my parents themselves are divorced and neither of them really know what I like in a woman, I can't see it working out if they tried to select who they thought would make a good bride. I don't think they know me as well as they think they do because there's stuff about me I don't tell them - nothing gritty or anything, just stuff that I tend to keep to myself. With that, I don't think they could possibly pick out someone that I would be truly happy with. Sometimes you just have to go with your instincts, yet sometimes that doesn't always work either.
O Captain, My Captain? (or the other way around)
----------------------------- The official Court Jester of the Mythical Land that is Iowa! Woohoo!!
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Y'know, watching the movie "Patton" today really got me thinking about a common "imponderable" in my head.
Do you believe in definite right or wrong (and the areas of gray in between), or that there is only conflict of opinion? I came of the opinion a long time ago that the latter is true. We Americans do things that we perceive as harmless, while others perceive it as truly evil and wrong. We make the same judgments about those people in return. What makes a fight, or war, on conflict on any scale, is one party attempting to push its beliefs on another, and the recipient party deciding on what level to retaliate. Depending on each party's resolve on the issue at hand, this can result in anything from an acquiescence, to an exchange of words, to a full-scale war.
Anyways, what do the people here believe? Is there a scale, or only a difference of interests?
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkiries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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I know for an unalienable fact that no matter what one does, one will always be pissing somebody off. It's part of the human condition that there's always somebody out there hankering for a fight and will take any excuse to start one.
Of course, I am a well known misanthrope, so this might just be my cynicism showing.
In answer, there's only conflict of interests and ideals. If there were only absolute truth and absolute wrong, then all lines in the world would meet at right angles, and the 'wild' places would be as sterile as the place they make microchips. If there was just ultimate right, there wouldn't be room for anything but one, single human being, and not another animal, plant, or single celled organism. And five seconds later, there wouln't be enough room for the world, either.
(Seriously, should I be a philosophy major or what?)
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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.
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woah... uh... that's pretty heavy actually.
Chris - I meant that comment as a compliment, I hope you took it as one! I meant that you are a little less absolute and a little more interactive and I know about honesty - believe me, but it comes in lots of forms. I genuinely didn't mean to imply that were ever anything but honest or true to yourself and I certainly did not think you were comprimising yourself or your ideals to please others... I have never thought that of you. I would say that I often disagree with your (sometimes extreme, to my mind) points of view, but I do respect your honest and the way you are true to yourself. I hope that you realised that.
James - hey - that is pretty thought provoking too... I have actually come from a gathering at my church tonight where we remembered Krystal Nacht and heard a remarkable man speak about the effects of hatred from his own personal experience. George was 13 when he attended the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin, his home town, and witnessed first-hand Adolph Hitler refuse to place the gold medal on black Amercian athlete Jesse Owens, and he helped rescue scrolls and book s that were hundreds of years old as a huge synagogue in Berlin burned on the 9th November, when the Nazi's began their assult on the Jewish population, including the burning of approx. 200 synagogues and countless businesses owned by Jews accross Germany and beyone her borders...
He survived 3 years in Auschwitz and even escaped on the death march at the end of the war - eventually being rescued by US soldiers.
His primary message to us tonight was not to let hate enter your heart or it enters your sould and will kill you more quickly than the people you wish it to kill. He said that all the worlds conflicts start with hate, that hate starts with fear and fear starts with ignorance.
So - you might say that most of the worlds conficts begin with ignorance, fear and hatred. Yes - there are absolutes of faith, belief, understanding of wrong and right, but if those who held these beliefs were more broadly educated and were able to understand one another's lives, "to walk in another's shoes" they might not remain ignorant enough to fear or feargul enough to hate...
Oh dear... sorry for that ramble - It is now 1.30am and I need to go to bed... Thanks for the intellectual stimulation - that is another thing I love about the Imponderables - stretches my mind!
Good morning and good night to those I will miss! - Magda x x x
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