US troops call for Iraq pullout
POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 12:12
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"More than 200 men and women from the United States armed services have joined a protest calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, organisers say."
They should be fired from the jobs they volunteered for..READ what I just wrote...Again.....Again....once more....Well, it's true.......
The way I see it, they volunteered to protect and defend their country, if the policys of your government are creating more of a threat than would exist otherwise, and to no end.....
Wouldn't that make your government the enemy they really volunteered to fight ?
Actually, the oath they take is something like this: I (name) do solemly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same...etc, etc...
They don't swear to protect and defend their country.
Now saying that. A military member is not and should not be involved in politics. The member signed the paperwork. If they don't want to fight they should go for CO status. It is the job that they agreed to. Do I like it? NO Would I want my kids to do it? NO
WE the citizens of this country should be the ones protesting and ending this war. Military members have more important things to consider like staying alive.
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But, if the government is systematicly making the country less safe to no clear end.... don't it become that domestic enemy mentioned in the oath, and action to defend against it required ?
" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
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http://www.appealforredress.org/
US troops call for Iraq pullout
Wednesday 25 October 2006, 21:50 Makka Time, 18:50 GMT
About 140,000 US soldiers are currently serving in
More than 200 men and women from the United States armed services have joined a protest calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, organisers say...
Gino. What's the source of the information you posted? The Appeal for Redress site doesn't have it, and in fact doesn't provide much info at all.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=
2006-10-25T180751Z_01_N25371819_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-USA-CAMPAIGN.xml
" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
Run to the hills run for your lives "
http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12
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FMF,
"Actually, the oath they take is something like this: I (name) do solemly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same...etc, etc..."
Ah semantics,
This means what? They will protect their country as the President and Congress sees necessary. Shit defend the constitution, come on. We have Supreme court justices who can't agree on what the constitution is, means, or contains..never mind 340,000 soldiers deciding and defending it...The rest of your post I agree with.
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"But, if the government is systematicly making the country less safe to no clear end.... don't it become that domestic enemy mentioned in the oath, and action to defend against it required ?"
No. That being said, the question is based on a fallacy to begin with, and shouldn't be answered by anyone. We are safer now. We were attacked all through out the Clinton years right up to going into Afghanistan and Iraq, since then..zilch. Been awhile, right? Fences going up, Patriot act, and taking the war to the Islamofacists makes for a much safer country. The way terrorists were getting more brazen with each attack(USS Cole, embassies, trade center one, 9-11) I can't imagine what would have happened had we not gone into Afghanistan. Now you worry about us pissing them off. They were already coming to destroy America. We said nope, take these cruise missiles and wash em down with the soles of our boots. We twisted up the American flag, wet the tip, and snapped the Middle East in the left ass check with it. We're good like that. Actually, come to think about it, we are the only country that can do shit like that. Damn it's great to be an American......Well, it's true.........
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They were already coming to destroy America.
According to this, America's been the target since the 50s.
http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2006/february/presence.php
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They were already coming to destroy America.
According to this, America's been the target since the 50s.
http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2006/february/presence.php
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Anyone care to discuss the reasons why the US is a target ?
Perhaps their has been no attacks within the US... lately, but attacks against your troops and dwindling supporters have been quite effective.
Withdrawing your troops is one thing, but the only way to make your country safe is to rethink the way you deal with others, and in this Democrat or Republican you country has been equally bad.
We only have South and Central American trying to form a coalition to limit your interference... But hey Chavez is crazy
Old Europe stuck in a past where they don't follow your orders
China, well China is laughing their many collective asses off as you lose face and treasure , and hand it off to them.
But hey, Mission Acomplished
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"South and Central American trying to form a coalition to limit your interference"
*chuckle*
"China, well China is laughing their many collective asses off as you lose face and treasure"
*giggle*
"Old Europe stuck in a past where they don't follow your orders"
*yawn*
Tissue anyone? Or an umbrella for that falling sky?...Do you believe this GB? If you do...Sorry.
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Anyone care to discuss the reasons why the US is a target ?
The United States is the ultimate representation of the New World, and this is the heart of everything bad (according to the man they profiled in the article). It's not necessarily because of how we act, but because of who we are, and what America means to these fanatics (yes, I am using that term correctly). I'm not sure if this is precisely from the article, but those men believe that the height of civilization was sometime during the Middle Ages, or maybe even before. Because America, the titan of industrialization and modernization (in their eyes, and most everybody else's), it is their main target. If, for example, The United Kingdom was the one (publicaly) leading the way for modernization, the terrorists may have attacked them instead.
Modernism, at least for Sayyid Qutb, represents the ultimate in "barbarism" - and, the United States represents the ultimate in modernism.
At least, that's the conclusion my dad and I came to...
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Yingyang,
"At least, that's the conclusion my dad and I came to..."
Did you and dad also come to the conclusion that this guy is a little light upstairs?
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deciding whether we should pull out of Iraq or stay, to me.. is kind of like being given the option to cut off either your arm or leg. its time we all realize there is no "winning" for us, the common man, in this 'war', since every war and 'conflict' is engineered to further a political agenda; there is just no winning within the system, its already controlled. the war in Iraq from the very beginning was a pre-conceived political agenda masked in fraudelant intelligence and funded by corportations and american financial interests. if you want to know why, its probably because the middle east is not entirely under the control of the elite cabal puppetmasters of the western governments. we are actually decieving the Arabs and co-opting their existing power structures. that doesnt prevent "terrorism", that is terrorism. it is hypocritical for us to wage a 'war on terror' in that part of the world, against purported "Islamic fascism" when we ourselves are a fascist nation. America is fascist, we put capitalism ahead of all else, and we cling to a globalist mindset that IS fascist. the elite proponants of this globalist idealogy, the Bushs and Clintons and Kissingers and Rockefellers..like the rest of the bilderberg members, are the real terrorists that had the motive to set up 9/11; they are the only ones who could harness the media to sell us the offical lie(s), and then lead us by the nose into a war(of even more lies/destruction). why anyone chooses to associate themselves with those criminals, the ones really perpetrating war and injustice on innocent people.. is beyond me
the best thing the people of the world could possibly do is to recognize the role that governments have played traditionally in sponsoring terrorism AGAINST THEIR OWN CITIZENS as a means of furthering the political or financial gain of a super affluent fraction of a minority of the overall populace. there are actually real problems in the world like famine and disease and environmental degradation.. but no legitimate campaign or effort will ever be raised, because instead we get more of the same killing and murder, done willingly, by the brainwashed public, to advance what is obviously the establishment status quo. in Iraq all we're really supporting is a political coup consisting of lies upon lies, to expand the networks of societal control, SIMPLY masquarading as a 'liberation', so as to fool the profane. im sorry that soldiers and citizens have to be sacrificed for these agendas that only really benefit the elite, who just see us as cattle, sheep, and pigs at a feeding traugh
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