US troops call for Iraq pullout

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GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:31 AM

http://www.appealforredress.org/

US troops call for Iraq pullout

Wednesday 25 October 2006, 21:50 Makka Time, 18:50 GMT

About 140,000 US soldiers are currently serving in

More than 200 men and women from the United States armed services have joined a protest calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, organisers say.

The soldiers said they did not think it was worth their while to be in Iraq and questioned the use of repeated tours of duty.

The campaign, called the Appeal for Redress from the War in Iraq, takes advantage of defence department rules allowing active duty troops to express personal opinions to politicians without fear of retaliation.

The appeal posted on the campaign's website at www.appealforredress.org said: "As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq.

"Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for US troops to come home."

The website allows service members to sign the appeal that will be presented to members of Congress. Organisers said the number of signatories had climbed from 65 to 219 since the appeal was posted a few days ago and Wednesday when it was publicly launched.

There are 140,000 US troops in Iraq.

Personal views

Military service personnel on active duty are restricted in expressing their personal views , but rules in the Military Whistleblower Protection Act give them the right to speak to a member of Congress while off duty and out of uniform, while making it clear that they do not speak for the military.

"Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for US troops to come home"

Appeal for Redress from the War in Iraq website
In a conference call with reporters, a sailor, a marine and a soldier who had served in the Iraq operation said American troops there have increasingly had difficulty seeing the purpose of lengthy and repeated tours of duty since the fall of Saddam Hussein.

Their misgivings have intensified this year, they said.

"The real grievances are: Why are we in Iraq if the weapons of mass destruction are not found, if the links to al-Qaeda are not substantiated," Marine Sergeant Liam Madden, who was in Iraq from September 2004 to February 2005, said.

Navy Seaman Jonathan Hutto, the first serviceman to join the campaign, said a similar appeal during the Vietnam war drew support from more than 250,000 active duty service members in the early 1970s.
Reuters

KANEMAN

Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:15 AM

"More than 200 men and women from the United States armed services have joined a protest calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, organisers say."

They should be fired from the jobs they volunteered for..READ what I just wrote...Again.....Again....once more....Well, it's true.......

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
"More than 200 men and women from the United States armed services have joined a protest calling for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, organisers say."

They should be fired from the jobs they volunteered for..READ what I just wrote...Again.....Again....once more....Well, it's true.......

The way I see it, they volunteered to protect and defend their country, if the policys of your government are creating more of a threat than would exist otherwise, and to no end.....

Wouldn't that make your government the enemy they really volunteered to fight ?

KANEMAN

Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:41 AM

You are talking about 200 soldiers, let them be given a dishonorable discharge. Cindy sheehan needs company....

MISSTRESSAHARA

Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:16 AM

Y'know, I wasn't born during the Vietnam war and never really understood the harshness and total idiocy of that war, or the disregard people had for the soldiers that were sent over there and then basically abandoned by everyone when they were made scapegoats for the failure of Nixon and his government.

Now I do.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

PHOENIXSHIP

Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:39 AM

Such narrow mindedness...

Take a step back and see what's going on. You can't see the forest for the trees.

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

KANEMAN

Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Y'know, I wasn't born during the Vietnam war and never really understood the harshness and total idiocy of that war, or the disregard people had for the soldiers that were sent over there and then basically abandoned by everyone when they were made scapegoats for the failure of Nixon and his government.

Now I do.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

Hunh?

PHOENIXSHIP

Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
I...never really understood the harshness and total idiocy of that war, or the disregard people had for the soldiers that were sent over there...

Now I do.

Hunh?

What misstressahara is saying, Kaneman, is that your comments reveal a disturbing callousness for the women and men who are fighting, bleeding and dying because of the incompetence of President Bush and his cronies. She is saying that you don't really care about their well-being, you just want some vague military goal to be accomplished. She's saying too many people feel the same way.

She's right.

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

KANEMAN

Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:53 PM

"Kaneman, is that your comments reveal a disturbing callousness for the women and men who are fighting, bleeding and dying because of the incompetence of President Bush and his cronies."

Wrong, women and men are dying because they are protecting America from terrorists and the extremists in the Muslim religion(shit I'll say it). This massive wave(200 traitors) joined a volunteer army, many after the war was started. What I am saying is give them a dishonorable discharge. Instead of whining about the president, they should be thanking the president. Never before have so few soldiers died in a conflict this large(Afghanistan / Iraq). And for that they should thank their lucky stars...They didn't join the boy-scouts, things could be a lot worse.....

PS
The army isn't run by political polls. You fight when congress and the president says to. Your political beliefs mean zilch.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:26 PM

Kaneman can't see the trees because he cut them down.

I still believe a withdrawal from Iraq will be a disaster. Some more heads need to roll to prove to the Iraqis we aren't torture central, and also, we need to stop being torture central. But we shouldn't just be handing Iraq back to the strongest hand that wants it.

I've gotten to the point where I think if Iran invades and conquers with the backing of communist china, that would actually be one of the better end scenarios that is likely to transpire after we leave.

It's important to bear in mind that the Iraqi people are intelligent, resourceful, and very familiar with democracy. They know that they want it, and they suspect that we don't have it. Their leaders are constantly trying to take it away from them, even now, even in the new Iraqi govt.

We should support the Iraqis in this, because we owe them that, at the very least. We should not throw them to the wolves just because "we might get hurt" and make no mistake: this is the motivation. I read it everywhere the cut and run appears. "so many americans have been killed" What did people think would happen when we went to war? Do we think america is invincible? You start a war and someone gets killed.

If you take the more moral argument "so many iraqis have been killed" isn't going to lead you to the cut and run position. We need a better strategy, but Iraqis might get slaughtered when we leave, because there's no end of people who want that oil, and without a strong defense, Iraq doesn't stand a chance.

I'm not saying that Bush is doing a bang up job, except in the sense that Iraq is a train wreck, or that Obama will do a better job because if he follows the advice of his new friends, he won't. But a better job must be done. No job fails to qualify under the heading of a better job

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