Congressman quits after messages to teens found
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Republican Rep. Mark Foley resigned Friday from the House after sexually explicit instant message conversations with teenage congressional pages attributed to him surfaced.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/29/congressman.e.mails/index.html
Just wondering if this is what Hero means by superior Republican values?
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LOL, To answer your question...yes. I find it admirable that he takes his valuable time to mentor a teen.
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I see, like a really advanced version of home economics.
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Originally posted by citizen:
I see, like a really advanced version of home economics.
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Yes, but without the kitchen or that damn cooking. She will make a fine wife someday.He should have something worse happen to him than just losing his job! (I am assuming age is under 17).
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Originally posted by kaneman:
He should have worse happen to him than just loosing his job! (I am assuming age is under 17).
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Earlier Friday, a former congressional page questioned e-mails Foley had sent to him, describing it as "sick." Foley, a Florida representative, apparently sent the e-mails in August 2005, when the male page was 16 years old.
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I'll wager he never ends up on a sex offender list(that he probably voted for), any takers?
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More details coming out. The House Republican leadership knew and hushed it up. I think it's time to start adding the adjective immoral to that noun phrase. The immoral House Republican leadership. Yep. That works.
Here's the details. All of this happened 10 or 11 months ago. The 16 year old page worked for Rep. Rodeny Alexander of Louisiana (Republican). The page informed a staffer about the e-mails. The staffer informed Alexander. Alexander called the page's parents. He also notified Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio (Republican). Boehner told Rep. Dennis Hastert of Illinois (Republican). Hastert told Boehner that, "we're taking care of it." Somehow or other Rep. John Shimkus of Illinois (Republican) gets involved and interviews Rep. Foley as part of a House Page Board investigation. The only Democratic member of that board, Rep. Dale Kildee of Michigan, is not notified because, as Shimkus put it, "I'm the chairman of the page board. The Clerk and I addressed this issue."
Hmmm. I'm not sure I followed all that. I think I'll go back to shortening up things.
The immoral Republican leadership of the House of Representatives.
You get what you vote for.
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OMG what a creep!
Why did he think he wouldnt be caught being a high offical and all?
Great world we live in.
-River
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ABC has reported that one message Foley wrote, "Do I make you a little horny?". I'm sorry, but when I first read that, I could only picture it being said in Power's "Shagadelic" accent, and started laughing. What was even funnier is that this Fuc*ing idiot was the Chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, and had introduced a bill that would protect children from exploitation by adults over the Internet. Classic political hypocrisy. These politicians don't believe a thing they preach. That's why they are always exempting themselves from bills they pass for others.
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Quote:That's the report I saw last night.
Originally posted by kaneman:
ABC has reported that one message Foley wrote, "Do I make you a little horny?".
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Let's see...
Bill Bennet and his gambling problem.
"Duke" Cunningham and his bribery problem (in jail).
Ney and the casino kickbacks (going to jail).
Tom and Bernadette Noe and Ohio Governor Taft, who between them "managed" about 7% of the Worker's Compensation Fund into their own pockets.
Tom Delay- indicted for conspircay to evade election laws
Biil Frist- under investigation for insider trading
"Scooter" Libby- indicted
Abramoff- director of conservative think tank Public Policy Research and religious-right organization Toward Tradition, pled guilty to several counts of criminal fraud- Freed to testify about a casino-related murder. I'm sure many more indictments will come out of this.
Hager- FDA advisor on Women's Reporductive Health- repeatedly raped and beat his wife
I'm of the impression that most Republicans are dyed in the wool hypocrites.
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Quote:You are joking right? And the republicans chose extra marital sex as an impeachable crime for Clinton?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Hager- FDA advisor on Women's Reporductive Health- repeatedly raped and beat his wife
What the hell is wrong with the politicians in your country? Seriously our politicians aren't exactly moral leaders, but they settle for just having affairs.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm of the impression that most Republicans are dyed in the wool hypocrites.
Then you'll just LOVE this -
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"It's vile," said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. "It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction." On Bill Clinton - 1998
http://www.sptimes.com/Worldandnation/91298/Congress_sees_through.html
Remember kiddies, these are the people that led the glorious moral revolution against that vile man who had the nerve - the nerve! - to have consensual (near) sex with a willing adult he worked with. The horror!
And, out of sheer amusement at this practically unbelievable turn of events (note the dripping sarcasm), I leave this link for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
Which has highlights such as:
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* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Isn't the GOP fun?
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And the republicans chose extra marital sex as an impeachable crime for Clinton?
That is the only thing they could find to use against him. The real irony was that the Republican that screamed the loudest for Clinton's impeachment was none other than Newt Gingrich. During this time, this lying hypocrite was having an affair with his congressional aide, Callista Bisek. A woman who was 23 years younger than him, and he was raving about Clinton and Lewinsky.
And no one complained more about Clinton's morals and ethics than Gingrich; a man who has 84 ethics violations on record against him. He was later forced to step down as Speaker of the House.
But that is exactly the kind of thing you can expect from Republicans. They are always talking about how morally superior they are, yet they are constantly being busted doing the very thing they are railing against. So, I have to admit that I was not terribly surprised that Foley, a man who helped author legislation targeting online predators, is, in point of fact, one himself.
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More details coming out. The House Republican leadership knew and hushed it up. I think it's time to start adding the adjective immoral to that noun phrase. The immoral House Republican leadership. Yep. That works.
Here's the details. All of this happened 10 or 11 months ago. The 16 year old page worked for Rep. Rodeny Alexander of Louisiana (Republican). The page informed a staffer about the e-mails. The staffer informed Alexander. Alexander called the page's parents. He also notified Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio (Republican). Boehner told Rep. Dennis Hastert of Illinois (Republican). Hastert told Boehner that, "we're taking care of it." Somehow or other Rep. John Shimkus of Illinois (Republican) gets involved and interviews Rep. Foley as part of a House Page Board investigation. The only Democratic member of that board, Rep. Dale Kildee of Michigan, is not notified because, as Shimkus put it, "I'm the chairman of the page board. The Clerk and I addressed this issue."
Hmmm. I'm not sure I followed all that. I think I'll go back to shortening up things.
The immoral Republican leadership of the House of Representatives.
You get what you vote for.
read the Franklin coverup, it tells about these people who are in office their is a network of pedohiles in congress actually all branches of government including the Bush's
As concerned citizens we need to demand an investigation into Foley, I'm sure it will lead to so much more may even help to open the door to this massive cover up, thats been going on for decades.
This man is a pedophile and he's going to get off by quitting his job.
here is a link to the story
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/29/national/w1234
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and also a link to the e-mails he sent if you can stomach it
http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf
http://www.fireflyfan.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=17305&m=387754#top
somebody need to get the the word out to parents don't send your children to Congress, especially young boys!!
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I still can't read them. I keep picturing that gay ex-governor kissing his boyfriend on the lips, on CNN's Larry King Live last week. Insanity.
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MCGREEVEY: But my truth is that I am a gay American.
KING: Halfway into his first term, New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey, Roman Catholic father of two, once a rising Democratic star with his second wife at his side, admitting adultery, stepping down and coming out.
MCGREEVEY: Shamefully, I engaged in an adult consensual affair with another man which violated my bonds of matrimony. I have decided the right course of action is to resign.
KING: McGreevey faced personal and political scandal. He put his alleged gay lover, Israeli citizen Golan Cipel (ph), on the state payroll as a special counsel. Some question Cipel's credentials. Cipel himself denied any affair with McGreevey and denied he was gay. In his new tell-all book, McGreevey describes his first kiss with Cipel as life-changing after years of sleazy back-alley sex. But, Cipel, who McGreevey claims tried to blackmail him, says McGreevey sexually assaulted him.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/21/lkl.01.html
I makes insane sense for Mcgreevey to hire an Israeli citizen to run his state's "Homeland Security", since Jr Bush hired a Commie Czech-born Israeli citizen named Michael Chertoff to run US Dept of Homeland Security and Wide Open Borders.
Newt Gingrinch was gay, too.
So are Bill Clinton Blythe and Hillary, according to eyewitness Cathy O'Brien. Bush Jr and Sr are also gay, according to numerous eyewitnesses, with Bush Sr a serial-killing pedophile, according to Republican Senator John DeCamp.
Arnold Schwarzennegger is a gay porn star, proven by his nude coverphotos and centerspreads in gay porn mag AFTER DARK.
www.geocities.com/secretivesocieties
www.geocities.com/bushgaygate
Arnold, Clinton and the Bushes romp nekked in the redwoods and hold each other weewees while they peepee at Bohemian Grove, where snuff kiddie porn is filmed, and their Satanic child sacrifice is re-enacted every year.
www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/bohemian-grove/
Of course, Congressman Barney Frank can pimp little boys all day long to GOP politicians, since he's got the photos to prove it.
www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm
www.infowars.com/articles/world/tom_flocco_arrested_tied_to_wh_child_s
ex_ring.htm
Now CIA's Korean Reverend Moon owns Wash Times to shut them up
The Bush Crime Family also has a lifetime supply of photos pimping little boys and girls to politicians, such as White House homohooker correspondent "Jeff Gannon", aka kidnap victim Johnny Gosch. Pimp Barney Frank works for pimp George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire.
www.johnnygosch.com
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http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
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www.piratenews.org
Does that seem right to you?
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I don't care what two consenting adults do, the govner McGreevy thing doesn't bother me, being gay doesn't bother me, , but if he really assulted that man then that puts a whole other spin on the story...but its the pedophiles, the people that pray on children, that hurts and goes against everything I stand for. I want these people to pay, I want the truth to come out and I don't think people should let this go with this man quitting his job..
Why is this O.K why are the American people so docile and compliant, maybe the floride in the water is really taking affect.
Just look at the picture Of Johnny Gosch? Jeff Gannon gagged and bound, and to know that people running our government, people that we see on T.v is respossible for that!!!
Thats not just a picture, thats a real person, it could be you or one of your children or friends or relatives... the insane are running the asylum, and we are letting them, what does that say about us.
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And like clockwork, it's time to blame the bad behavior on the booze...
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=40782
"Lawyer: Foley checks into rehab for alcoholism"
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Florida congressman who quit after questions emerged about his e-mails to teenage pages has checked himself into alcohol rehab.
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The amazing thing is that Foley was up until Friday "co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus"! And House Republicans knew about this for a YEAR, and protected him anyway. This is like Catholic bishops protecting pedohpile priests! How creepy can this get?
It seems the FBI is investigating. I hope the investigation goes beyond Foley to the others who knew and didn't report this. In case you don't know, doctors, nurses, teachers and others who routinely deal with children MUST report cases of susepcted abuse. Seems like Congressmen should too.
Copy of one text message. I didn't want to cut-paste because kids might see this.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/house-gop-leadership-knew-abou
t-foley.html
When Nancy Pelosi asks for an ethics investigation, the voice vote sounds like "yea". When Boehner records it as "nay" she asks for a recorded vote and is booed down by Republicans. www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/30/boehner-blocks-pelosis-investigation
-resolution-surprise/
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Are we acting surprised here people? Don't we all know that ALL politicians are lying, hypocritical, crooks. The worst being the Clinton / Bush political complex.
Jessie Jackson - robs the poor in the name of protecting them
George Bush - Preaches about education "No Child Left Behind"(enough said)
Bill Clinton......Aghh... forget this. You guys know that they are all scum bags, all rich, and all self serving. There is no difference between these politicians other than the bull shit they tell us they believe. They are one big party.
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There are a few exceptions and they deserve our support.
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Former US Congressman Mark Foley, who has been embroiled in a scandal over sexually suggestive e-mails, says he is undergoing treatment for alcoholism.
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"I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioural problems"
Mark Foley
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5399724.stm
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Originally posted by citizen:
Republican Rep. Mark Foley resigned Friday from the House after sexually explicit instant message conversations with teenage congressional pages attributed to him surfaced.
Just wondering if this is what Hero means by superior Republican values?
Yes. This is a GREAT example of Republican values. You missed the most important section of the story you cited:
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Mark Foley resigned
Republicans and Democrats are human and commit crimes common to all persons regardless of race, class, and party affiliation. Unlike Democrats, when caught, Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation rather then the more politically expediant waiting until the day after his reelection so they could appoint a Republican replacement.
Many Democrats have committed crimes and/or been caught acting in an inappropriate fashion with their subordinates and, with one notable exception (from New Jersey of all places), don't, in recent years anyway...taken professional responsibitlity for these personal failures.
When there is an (R) next to a person's name, they tend to resign in disgrace for the good of the party and the country after which its a private matter and should be handled with discretion within the limits of the law and media notwithstanding.
If this Congressman had a (D) then there would be a parade of excuses, claims of entrapment, vast right wing conspiracies, claims that this is private, and a vicious attack on the Page's and the Speaker's office for sending this to the proper authorities for investigation. It'd be a nice press conference...with Dany Glover and maybe Al Sharpton.
Lets not forget a certain Congressman whose murdered intern was so convieniantly made back page news by 9/11. He was a Democrat...and did not resign.
H
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Quote:I thought you'd support it...
Originally posted by Hero:
Yes. This is a GREAT example of Republican values. You missed the most important section of the story you cited
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Originally posted by Hero:
Republicans and Democrats are human and commit crimes common to all persons regardless of race, class, and party affiliation. Unlike Democrats, when caught, Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation rather then the more politically expediant waiting until the day after his reelection so they could appoint a Republican replacement.
Pull the other one, Hero, it's got bells on.
The e-mails were known about by Republican leadership for almost a year. It took a reporter less than a day to get from the e-mails to the instant messages (you know, the ones where Foley gets all happy about the length of a page's penis - and that's one of the milder exchanges). If the Republican leadership had cared at all about protecting teenagers from a predator they would have investigated when the e-mails first came to their attention.
The simple fact is that the Republican leadership did not want to know what was going on. Foley was a Republican vote in Congress from a safe district. So they kept quiet and looked the other way and hoped no one would notice.
Well, someone noticed. And now the Republican leadership's response is to go on the attack and yell a big, "Fuck you," to the American people. Who knows, it might just work. It worked for you, Hero.
I guess you missed the part about warning signals coming from as far back as 2001. Let's see, what happened since then? That would be the 2002 election where Foley ran and won and the 2004 election where Foley ran and won and the 2006 election where Foley would've won. Yup, responsibility in action.
I just have a couple of questions: Would you send your 16 year old to work as a Republican page? Would you have sent them if you had known about those e-mails and instant messages back in 2005? Or 2003? Or 2001? Would you send them if you found out the leadership knew about the e-mails and did everything in their power to not investigate further?
It's all about the power, who cares about the children. GOP before country. GOP before family. GOP before freedom.
* edited to add: Sometimes, you just need to get good and righteously pissed off. In my opinion, this is one of those situations. Hunter, over at dKos, summed up my feelings pretty well:
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excerpted from http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/2/163734/561
But in the end, at the end of it all, you don't FUCKING COVER UP FOR A CHILD SEX PREDATOR. No. Matter. What.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation rather then the more politically expediant waiting until the day after his reelection so they could appoint a Republican replacement.
Interesting you should say this. So, given this reasoning, what do you think should happen to all the GOP leaders that have admitted to knowing about this crime for at least a year?
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Originally posted by Hero:
Republicans and Democrats are human and commit crimes common to all persons regardless of race, class, and party affiliation. Unlike Democrats, when caught, Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation rather then the more politically expediant waiting until the day after his reelection so they could appoint a Republican replacement.
Many Democrats have committed crimes and/or been caught acting in an inappropriate fashion with their subordinates and, with one notable exception (from New Jersey of all places), don't, in recent years anyway...taken professional responsibitlity for these personal failures.
When there is an (R) next to a person's name, they tend to resign in disgrace for the good of the party and the country after which its a private matter and should be handled with discretion within the limits of the law and media notwithstanding.
If this Congressman had a (D) then there would be a parade of excuses, claims of entrapment, vast right wing conspiracies, claims that this is private, and a vicious attack on the Page's and the Speaker's office for sending this to the proper authorities for investigation. It'd be a nice press conference...with Dany Glover and maybe Al Sharpton.
Lets not forget a certain Congressman whose murdered intern was so convieniantly made back page news by 9/11. He was a Democrat...and did not resign.
H
You must be kidding around. Surely, you are not so misinformed to believe what you wrote. The only thing right was the first sentence.
To suggest that Republicans have some kind of moral superiority in regards to ethics is asinine. Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) plead guilty to corruption charges and has yet to resign. Nor did Reps. Cunningham (R-CA) or Delay (R-TX) resign immediately upon indictment. Neither party has a sterling record with ethics.
Innuendo aside, Rep. Condit (D-CA) was neither convicted or charged in connection with the murder of Chandra Levy, an adult woman with whom he had a consensual affair. The Democrats of his district did in fact hold Rep. Condit responsible. They nominated his opponent in the subsequent primary.
Time will tell if the House leadership actively concealed Rep. Foley's behavior from the public or law enforcement, but it is worth noting that according to both CNN and MSNBC it was no secret on Capital Hill that Rep. Foley was a homosexual (not that there's anything wrong with that) and he spent an unusually inordinate amount of time with these underage pages. It has also been widely reported that pages were aware of and discussed Rep. Foley's advancements for some time now.
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Does anyone even take Hero's retarded ranting seriously anymore?
I mean, as soon as the thread went up, it was only a matter of time before he spewed.
So, Hero, when are you gonna answer the question above?
What should happen to all of those GOP higher-up who knew about this, and covered it up?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
There are a few exceptions and they deserve our support.
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Name them!!!!!!!!!1
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Feingold. Conyers. Lasher.
Quote:... a year after finding out! It was only the publicity that forced the resignation. Republicans would have been happy as pigs in shit to continue this all quietly. Look, I'm not saying Democrats are better. If they were in power they might have tried to cover this up too. BUT to say that the Republicans "do the right thing"....
Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation
That's enough to make me spew coffee over my keyboard!
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Fuck HERO,
They try to do the right thing "WHEN THEY ARE CAUGHT?"
First of all, that's dispicable. So they try to do damage control if they're caught, or their party does damage control if there's no other way to hide the problem. That's the meter you are going to use for integrity?
And they can't even live up to that low standard. It's already been posted how Hastert and other republicans knew about this scandal and said nothing.
And what was Rice's response to Woodward's charge that she had been briefed on Bin Laden prior to 9/11? Sorry, 'would've remembered.' What do we find out? SHE WAS BRIEFED.
I honestly don't think even you believe the shit you spew, and I'm really not sure why you expect anyone else to, when your posts never last more than five minutes before somebody has to correct your rhetoric, by pointing out nasty little facts...facts that you could even get by watching our shitty news networks, and that's saying something.
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The amazing thing is that Foley was up until Friday "co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus"! And House Republicans knew about this for a YEAR, and protected him anyway. This is like Catholic bishops protecting pedohpile priests! How creepy can this get?
This is not an isolated incident, I wish people would stop acting like it is, seriously there is a whole network of pedohiles in government including the Bush's, it is no accident or coincidence that Foley was Congressional Co-chairman of Missing and exploited children's Caucus. Some of us have seriously and honestly been discussing this very issue for months on this board, well three of us to be exact.
An investiagation alone is not going to really uncover just how deep this thing goes, because the people doing the investigating are also involved including people in the FBI and CIA, what is needed is a major public out cry, with people unwilling to except whatever is dished out to them. Only then will we start getting the real story, people will start talking...but there has to be a huge public outcry and interest for that to happen one that even the mainsteam media can't fully ignore.
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Republicans and Democrats are human and commit crimes common to all persons regardless of race, class, and party affiliation. Unlike Democrats, when caught, Republicans either do the right thing or else are held accountable by other Republicans who, in this case, likely forced his immediate resignation rather then the more politically expediant waiting until the day after his reelection so they could appoint a Republican replacement...
I honestly thought that their was a modcum of integrity in you and humanity but now I see why you support the people in office that you do. When people are praying on children, it should not matter wether they have a D or an R in front of their names,( that shouldn't even be the issue the fact that it is speaks volumes about you as a human being. do you even care that Foley was solicting young boys does that even register with you? because frankly I would be more interested in hearing what you think about that, then making excuses for Rep's, the morality party... who has no morals!!!
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STORYMARK
...Does anyone even take Hero's retarded ranting seriously anymore?
No but this is sad..very sad!!
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...[/The simple fact is that the Republican leadership did not want to know what was going on. Foley was a Republican vote in Congress from a safe district. So they kept quiet and looked the other way and hoped no one would notice.
Many Republicans in leadership knew exactly what was going on because many of them are also involved in it. Foley is no Island onto himself,there are many many people involved in this including, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Rummmy and many many many others. this goes all the way to the top!!
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And like clockwork, it's time to blame the bad behavior on the booze...
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=40782
"Lawyer: Foley checks into rehab for alcoholism"Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Florida congressman who quit after questions emerged about his e-mails to teenage pages has checked himself into alcohol rehab.
I do think there is a reason why he has been whisked away to rehab, they've got him somewhere where they can keep an eye on him and make sure nobody gets to him until this dies down.
It's sick, we are suppose to care that he has a substance problem, and that is suppose to somehow relieve him of being a pedophile, so he quits his job and goes into rehab...why isn't he being arrested, this is just going to be swept under the rug and they are going to continue hurting children..because they can get away with it!!
This is unacceptable!!
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PJ, a little math lesson real quick.
And this'll let you know why I am less than fond of NCMEC.
Count how many missing kids in the USA, count em, just the reported ones, even.
Think of the physical VOLUME that so many people would take up, even.
Then go count how many kids go into the social services system, via neglect, abandonment or in rare case outright lame excuses.
Then go count how many come OUT.
So, what happens ?
Where the hell are they ?
They're not in foster care, not placed, not adoped and not in custody... they just... no longer officially exist.
Not only that, but Boys Town is not the only feeder system, there's plenty more, many associated with Catholic Charities.
If I can spot these anomolies, so can NCMEC, and thus, they "know", and the lack of action in that direction, that silence, condemns them more than any words I could say.
-Frem
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And like clockwork, it's time to blame the bad behavior on the booze...
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=40782
"Lawyer: Foley checks into rehab for alcoholism"Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Florida congressman who quit after questions emerged about his e-mails to teenage pages has checked himself into alcohol rehab.
I do think there is a reason why he has been whisked away to rehab, they've got him somewhere where they can keep an eye on him and make sure nobody gets to him until this dies down.
This is a standard legal and PR tactic when a political person is facing arrest. Usually for DUI, like Congressman Kennedy, and Hollywood VIPs like Mel Gibson.
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
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"If I were one of these sickos I would be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my back."
-Congressman Mark Foley, co-chair of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted
Bush loves Gannon Gosch
Rabbit Hole Of Elitist Perversion Far Deeper Than Foley
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=634200
12&blogID=175194294
I bet John Walsh wants to rip off his head!
This blackmail op overshadows the real news of the week, of US Congress pardoning Bush and Cheney for raping little boys with acid at Abu Ghraib. So now the Bush Gang hopes they won't face the DEATH PENALTY, but actually, this new law HR6166 AUTHORIZES THAT BUSH AND HIS GANGSTA GOVT BE RAPED AND TORTURED UNTIL DEAD, WITHOUT TRIAL AND WITHOUT APPEAL... Of course, that's how Bush likes his sex, so that's his idea of heaven at Skull & Bones and Bohemian Grove.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=801019
75&blogID=174049841
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infowarsnews/message/1083
www.canadianactionparty.ca/temp/press_releases/USA_Detainee_Torture_Ac
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Foley is just one of MANY GOPsters and DemoRats arrested for pedophilia:
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Flamed Out GOP Star Arrested For Child Sex Assault
Colorado Confidential
September 29, 2006
Randal D. "Randy" Ankeney, the convicted sex offender who just a few short years ago was a rising GOP star in Colorado, is being held on a $1 million bond in Larimer County.
Ankeney, 35, who was arrested Wednesday, is facing five counts of sexual assault on a child, three counts of sexual enticement of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child. The felonies, if he is convicted, could send him to prison for life.
The charges come less than 15 months after the former attorney, head of Gov. Bill Owens’ economic development office in Colorado Springs and graduate of the Republican Leadership Program, was released from prison after serving a two-year sentence for attempted sexual assault on a child.
www.infowars.com/articles/us/gop_star_arrested_for_child_sexual_assaul
t.htm
Bring It On: Republican Pedophilia - A Long but Distinguished List
www.teambio.org/2006/10/republican-pedophilia-a-long-but-distinguished
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The coroner in Knoxville, Tennessee was gunned down by 6 bullets, when TBI raided his house searching for evidence in a cop killing. Instead they found photos of him raping comotose boys. He invited them from UT hospital, said he was giving them a "vitamin injection", then had his way with them, taking photos of his naked victims. He was also a firearms instructor for KPD. Obviously, with that kind of dirt on him, police and prosecutors could tell him exactly what they wanted listed as "official cause of death". Dr Pedigo is still alive, and out on parole...
"You can't stop the signal! Hey... That's an awfully big sword you've got there..."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
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Lets not forget a certain Congressman whose murdered intern was so convieniantly made back page news by 9/11. He was a Democrat...and did not resign.
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Let's not forget the dead intern FOUND ROTTING IN A GOP CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE! What, you never heard about that? Why do you think Congressman Joe Scarborough resigned, and has his own TV show on MSNBC?
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A Death in the Congressman's Office
Does Anybody in the Press Care About Lori Klausutis?
By Denis Wright and Chris George
August 8, 2001 (APJP)
Once upon a time, the phrase "investigative reporter" actually meant something. It usually involved hard work, possibly even mentation. Now, it seems, they just make stuff up. Especially on the Fox News Channel, where an uninitiated viewer could easily think she/he had tuned in Comedy Central. It's "Chandra-Chandra-Chandra" with the occasional "Condit is just like Clinton" thrown in. Given our media's 24/7 obsession with the Gary Condit "scandal", you might assume that there is a real dearth of hard news to pursue.
In reality, there is indeed a news story percolating out there. The story bears remarkable and ironic similarities to the Condit/Levy story. Both involve Congressmen, rumors of infidelity, and the fate of a younger female subordinate. The details are so similar as to remind one of two alternate universes. The difference between the two stories? First, in the Klausutis case as not in the Levy case, there is a real body, very dead. Second, the Klausutis case involves a Republican.Quote:
The Washington Post's NATION IN BRIEF column:
"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."
Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.
Such circumstances make one pause. Sick to death of the clear bias of the corporate owned media, and suspicious of the odd nature of this death, we began to dig for answers. The more information we discovered, the more unlikely, and the more newsworthy the story became.
Here are the facts:
www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
Chandra Levy was an Israeli Mossad agent used to infiltrate Congress and blackmail US politicians, just like Monica Lowenski. Was she killed by Mossad to blackmail Condit? It was obviously a professional wack job, carrying rotting bones all over DC - the District of Criminals, aka Dodge City. Was Klausutis working for Mossad?
And lest we forget:
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The Strange Death Of The Woman Who Filed A Rape
Lawsuit Against Bush
Jackson Thoreau
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"She filed a lawsuit against the Sugar Land department and said that in preparing its defense, Sugar Land police found out that she dated Bush as a minor."
Early one Saturday afternoon in July 2003, I made a simple phone call to Margie Schoedinger, a Texas woman who filed a rape lawsuit against George W. Bush in December 2002. I expected to leave a message on a machine, so I was caught a little offguard when Schoedinger answered.
She, too, sounded somewhat surprised I had called, saying she hadn't heard from many other reporters. But she talked to me for a few minutes about the legal action.
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It's sick, we are suppose to care that he has a substance problem, and that is suppose to somehow relieve him of being a pedophile, so he quits his job and goes into rehab...why isn't he being arrested, this is just going to be swept under the rug and they are going to continue hurting children..because they can get away with it!!
Sending a few suggestive e-mails to a teenager is not the same as being a pedophile. There is no evidence he had sexual relations with a minor. No evidence he had sexual relations with a Congressional Page. Such evidence may be forthcoming, but as yet it simply isn't there.
There is evidence that he had inappropriate e-mail exchanges with a Page. This is a rules violation and when discovered it was referred to the disciplinary committee, the head of the Page Program, and the FBI for criminal investigation. The FBI concluded that while inappropriate, the e-mails provided at the time were not illegal.
There is now evidence of additional instant messages that were sent to the Page from the Congressman. These IMs are sexually explicit and likely illegal. The FBI will review this NEW evidence and determine if Federal law was broken, if it was then he will be arrested, rehab or not. Why does the FBI need to review them when they are clearly sexually explicit? I'd say the most pressing concern for the FBI is the need to make sure they are authentic and to make sure they can prove where they came from. Without that sort of evidence, they cannot hope to sustain the case much less secure a conviction.
For example, I produce a series of 1999 e-mails from John Kerry to Osama Bin Laddin in which Senator Kerry plans and provides financial support for the 9/11 attack. Based upon such e-mails Kerry is arrested. Then at trial it is revealed those e-mails are obvious fakes and that a week or so of examination before making the arrest would have revealed them to be fake.
Is that time better spent now, making sure everything checks out, or later, at trial or perhaps after conviction? The answer for most in the media depends upon whether the accused has a (D) or (R) after there name.
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It's already been posted how Hastert and other republicans knew about this scandal and said nothing.
I honestly don't think even you believe the shit you spew, and I'm really not sure why you expect anyone else to, when your posts never last more than five minutes before somebody has to correct your rhetoric, by pointing out nasty little facts...facts that you could even get by watching our shitty news networks, and that's saying something.
All quotes lifted from the article which I have linked from a shitty news network.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/03/foley.scandal/index.html
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Hastert insisted that top Republican leaders did not know about sexually explicit instant messages Foley allegedly sent former male pages in 2003. The messages surfaced Friday in an ABC News report shortly after Foley resigned.
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Two Republican Congressmen -- Rep. John Shimkus, chairman of the House Page Board, and Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee -- have acknowledged knowing about an "overly friendly" exchange between Foley and a former male page.
The e-mails, which occurred in 2005 between Foley and a page from Louisiana, were not sexually explicit.
Shimkus, of Illinois, has said Foley assured him nothing inappropriate had taken place with the page, and Foley was then told not to have any further contact with the teen and to watch his conduct around pages.
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The FBI, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the House Ethics Committee are investigating Foley's conduct -- and whether there was any attempt to cover it up.
Cut the righteousness and try to remember that like enemy combatants, Hastert, Shimkus, Reynolds et al are innocent until proven guilty. Maybe you should wait to see what the investigation turns up before calling for anyones head.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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You actually took pains to remove the Rice part of my post BigDamnednobody?
Funny
And one thing is certain. Hastert originally said he only heard about the case a couple days ago...then he admitted to knowing about it for a year(and yes he said he notified the head of the page program at that time) -- why the original lie? That's the accountability that HERO is talking about?
Whoops, I guess it is. His argument was they are accountable when they are caught.
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You actually took pains to remove the Rice part of my post BigDamnednobody?
Funny
Why funny? Did not see the relevance to the Thread's topic or to the point which I was making. I left out your opening 'pithy' remark to Hero as well, would you like to comment on that?
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Cut the righteousness and try to remember that like enemy combatants, Hastert, Shimkus, Reynolds et al are innocent until proven guilty.
And what rock have you been living under?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Editorial from The Washington Times:
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20061002-102008-9058r.htm
"Resign, Mr. Speaker"
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The facts of the disgrace of Mark Foley, who was a Republican member of the House from a Florida district until he resigned last week, constitute a disgrace for every Republican member of Congress. Red flags emerged in late 2005, perhaps even earlier, in suggestive and wholly inappropriate e-mail messages to underage congressional pages. His aberrant, predatory -- and possibly criminal -- behavior was an open secret among the pages who were his prey. The evidence was strong enough long enough ago that the speaker should have relieved Mr. Foley of his committee responsibilities contingent on a full investigation to learn what had taken place, whether any laws had been violated and what action, up to and including prosecution, were warranted by the facts. This never happened...
... House Speaker Dennis Hastert must do the only right thing, and resign his speakership at once. Either he was grossly negligent for not taking the red flags fully into account and ordering a swift investigation, for not even remembering the order of events leading up to last week's revelations -- or he deliberately looked the other way in hopes that a brewing scandal would simply blow away. He gave phony answers Friday to the old and ever-relevant questions of what did he know and when did he know it? Mr. Hastert has forfeited the confidence of the public and his party, and he cannot preside over the necessary coming investigation, an investigation that must examine his own inept performance.
For those of you who don't know, The Washington Times is the ANTI-NYT/ANTI-POST. It is a conservative paper that supports conservative candidates and conservative postitions. So, perhaps we should stop claiming that the liberals are sniping the Republican leadership unfairly.
And in this case, the Washington Times is right. Speaker Hastert may not have known about the salacious IMs, as he has claimed, but his assertion that the emails that he was aware of were innocent and simply "overly friendly" does not hold water.
If the emails were innocuous, why would he forbid further contact between Rep. Foley and the teen? Wouldn't that be unnecessary if there was nothing indecent about them and there was no cause for concern?
One further addendum. There has been no evidence that Rep. Foley is a pedophile (that I am aware of). A pedophile is attracted to pre-pubescent children. A 16 year old boy, surely, would have hit puberty. There is another word for those who are attracted to post-pubescent teens, but I can't think of it... (and sure as Hell ain't gonna' google to find out) And isn't 16 the age of consent throughout much of the western world? I'm pretty sure that it's even legal in several states in the US. The guy certainly seems like a louse and likes 'em real young, but calling him a child molester might be a little over the top...
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Sending a few suggestive e-mails to a teenager is not the same as being a pedophile. There is no evidence he had sexual relations with a minor. No evidence he had sexual relations with a Congressional Page. Such evidence may be forthcoming, but as yet it simply isn't there.
I did not have sexual relations with that page. That's the new defense? Very Clintonian. You might want to take your cue on exact wording from Foley's lawyer, "Mark Foley has never, ever had inappropriate sexual contact with a minor in his life." It's the classic moving-of-the-goal-posts defense strategy. Someone is being accused of crime A. Their lawyer and supporters yell to the roof-tops that they didn't commit crime B. I'm guessing you've probably even prosecuted someone who tried that defense.
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There is evidence that he had inappropriate e-mail exchanges with a Page. This is a rules violation and when discovered it was referred to the disciplinary committee, the head of the Page Program, and the FBI for criminal investigation. The FBI concluded that while inappropriate, the e-mails provided at the time were not illegal.
This is pretty important. And it's the first I've heard that there was an FBI investigation ten or eleven months ago. Could you please provide a source for that? Moving on, let's unpack just one of your claims here: the one about the head of the Page Program. There are three Congressmen (well, one's a Congresswoman) in charge of oversight of the Page Program. Two of them, one Republican and one Democrat, had never heard of the e-mail. In other words, there was no investigation by the group charged with oversight. Hence, the outrage. Because, as you've led us to believe, Republicans are stalwarts when it comes to digging deep for the truth, especially when our children are in danger. Not.
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There is now evidence of additional instant messages that were sent to the Page from the Congressman. These IMs are sexually explicit and likely illegal. The FBI will review this NEW evidence and determine if Federal law was broken, if it was then he will be arrested, rehab or not. Why does the FBI need to review them when they are clearly sexually explicit? I'd say the most pressing concern for the FBI is the need to make sure they are authentic and to make sure they can prove where they came from. Without that sort of evidence, they cannot hope to sustain the case much less secure a conviction.
Yes. And it took the reporter one day to get from the e-mail to the instant messages. A reporter - and we all know how lame most of them are. In other words, a small amount of investigating yielded a lot of information. A small amount of investigating that the Republican House leadership never even attempted. Here's their version of how to deal with exchanges between a Congressman and a page that might be inappropriate: they asked Foley, he told them there was nothing to worry about, they told him to stop doing whatever it was there was nothing to worry about. The extent of their investigation was ASKING FOLEY. It wasn't the start of the investigation. That was it.
Should a suspicious exchange between a Congressman and a sixteen year old spark an investigation into all of that Congressman's exchanges with minors? Your two options are: Always, Only if that Congressman is not Republican. I see you firmly in the latter camp.
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One further addendum. There has been no evidence that Rep. Foley is a pedophile (that I am aware of). A pedophile is attracted to pre-pubescent children. A 16 year old boy, surely, would have hit puberty. There is another word for those who are attracted to post-pubescent teens, but I can't think of it... (and sure as Hell ain't gonna' google to find out) And isn't 16 the age of consent throughout much of the western world? I'm pretty sure that it's even legal in seveNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'm just waiting for "It was the kid's fault". I'm sure it won't be long in coming (so to speak).
And in the meantime, rumor is that someone tried to bribe ABC not to go public with this story. Waiting to see what happens to that.
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Cut the righteousness and try to remember that like enemy combatants, Hastert, Shimkus, Reynolds et al are innocent until proven guilty.
And what rock have you been living under?
A sarcastic rock.
Righteous9 spoke out regarding the current Administration's guilty until proven innocent stance regarding enemy combatants in another thread. I got a faint whiff of hypocrisy and thought I'd call him/her on it. My apologies for not using a clarifying emoticon, I knew Righteous9 would get it though.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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The FBI concluded that while inappropriate, the e-mails provided at the time were not illegal.
This is pretty important. And it's the first I've heard that there was an FBI investigation ten or eleven months ago. Could you please provide a source for that?
Okay. I found it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006
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erm anyone read this yet?
http://www.alternet.org/wire/42490
shoot the moon ...shoooooot the mooon
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Bigdamnnobody - I said hastert knew about this scandal and yet said nothing. He did know something was up. I never declared that he knew everything, only that he knew something and then told the public he knew nothing - only then did he have to re-assess and admit to knowing something. How is it hypocracy for me to point out what we do know? I never said Hastert should step down, I never indicated what kind of involvement he had at all...
the point of my post was that this party that is 'so accountable' tries to buck accountability at every turn. He did lie Bigdamnnobody. That's been established.
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"Originally posted by BigDamnNothi ... Nobody:
Cut the righteousness and try to remember that like enemy combatants, Hastert, Shimkus, Reynolds et al are innocent until proven guilty."
That means Clinton is innocent. He was impeached (charged) by the House but acquitted (found not guilty) by the Senate. Since he was not proved guilty, he is innocent.
Don't want anything ever spewed out of you about Clinton.
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This is very much like the Catholic Church's response to pedophile priests.
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Bigdamnnobody - I said hastert knew about this scandal and yet said nothing. He did know something was up. I never declared that he knew everything, only that he knew something and then told the public he knew nothing - only then did he have to re-assess and admit to knowing something. How is it hypocracy for me to point out what we do know? I never said Hastert should step down, I never indicated what kind of involvement he had at all...
You a right Righteous, my bad.
You were not calling for Hastert's head, you were calling for Hero's.
Posting to clear stuff up.
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That means Clinton is innocent. He was impeached (charged) by the House but acquitted (found not guilty) by the Senate. Since he was not proved guilty, he is innocent.
Don't want anything ever spewed out of you about Clinton.
Deal. Glad we could clear that up preemptively.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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I call bullshit.
They knew, they know.
The whole poisonous little atmosphere up on the hill is rife with this crap on both sides of the fence, even the most cursory investigation will leave any sensible person heaving into an airsick back in under an hour - I *guarantee* it.
Pedophilia, Dope, and other semi-legal, or legal but frowned upon things are entirely as common on capital hill as coffee is in truckstops, let's not freakin pretend otherwise - and while not party related cause they're all scum to me, the approximate ration of (R) freaks to (D) freaks is about 12 to 1, do your own research before you try disputing that fact.
Family values, eh ?
The interesting thing is that there is a lot of kicked anthill activity going on right now out here some serious ass covering as a lot of OTHER reps and employees are purging systems and shredding documents left and right, just in case somebody "talks" - this one goes way deeper than Foley, and a proper investigation (which their likely won't be) will reveal that very quickly.
I mean, come on, how many of you really thought they DIDN'T hump the interns ?
What the hell do you think their purpose really IS, other than making coffee ?
As I said, any REAL criminal investigation is going to resort in a domino effect, just as Ney and Abramoff's did, because these guys are all part of the same sick little club, full of strange tastes and stranger doings, drunk insane on wealth and power.
In that, PN has a point, even if he is a little wacko and draws conclusions in the lack of evidence.
For mine own, I am not only calling for Hastert's head - I am calling for the heads of you enabling apologist gits, too, cause it's your denial and apologism that results in nothing getting done, or being taken seriously, ultimately leading to more victims.
Ergo, if you weren't screaming for a proper criminal investigation right up front, instead of trying to defend his slimy ass, I consider you culpable.
-Frem
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Bizarre. Just plain weird.
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Buffalo, NY - Republican Tom Reynolds rented out a daycare facility today as he surrounded himself with kids and families, using them as protection from tough questions about specifics into the Foley messages. ...
What the hell does "rented out a daycare facility" mean? Did the kids come with it? Or did he just rent the building and bring in his own adults and children to serve as a backdrop? **** (edited to add: Looks like the author was not being literal. The physical setting was actually the student center at a local college. Quite a big gaffe. Here's the updated opening sentence they are now using, "Republican Tom Reynolds appeared to rent out a daycare facility today as he surrounded himself with kids and families...").
Firedoglake has more details, including a longer excerpt from this bizarre event. ( http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/03/nrsc-uses-small-children-as-huma
n-shields/#more-4790 )
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Reporter: Congressman, do you mind asking the children to leave the room so we can have a frank discussion of this, because it's an adult topic. It just doesn't seem appropriate to me.
Reynolds: I'll take your questions, but I'm not going to ask any of my supporters to leave.
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I'm just waiting for "It was the kid's fault". I'm sure it won't be long in coming (so to speak).
You're right. They've been trying out that meme with some of their first responders (Drudge and Rush).
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/02/the-eggman-says-kids-are-egging-
the-congressman-on/
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610020013
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One further addendum. There has been no evidence that Rep. Foley is a pedophile (that I am aware of). A pedophile is attracted to pre-pubescent children. A 16 year old boy, surely, would have hit puberty. There is another word for those who are attracted to post-pubescent teens, but I can't think of it...
The only stuff that has been made public so far is the solicting teens for sex,I'm postive if they dig a little deeper that they'll come up with alot more then that!! I would be willing to stake my life on it..But go ahead spin this anyway you want.. either way its sick, the man is praying on children.
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I'm just waiting for "It was the kid's fault". I'm sure it won't be long in coming (so to speak).
And in the meantime, rumor is that someone tried to bribe ABC not to go public with this story. Waiting to see what happens to that.Bush even defended Hastert , today!!
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
Its coming ..you know its coming!!!They already arev in sick little ways, its already starting, I have a feeling that more young boys are going to be coming foward..soon!!
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PJ, a little math lesson real quick.
And this'll let you know why I am less than fond of NCMEC.
Count how many missing kids in the USA, count em, just the reported ones, even.
Think of the physical VOLUME that so many people would take up, even.
Then go count how many kids go into the social services system, via neglect, abandonment or in rare case outright lame excuses.
Then go count how many come OUT.
So, what happens ?
Where the hell are they ?
They're not in foster care, not placed, not adoped and not in custody... they just... no longer officially exist.
Not only that, but Boys Town is not the only feeder system, there's plenty more, many associated with Catholic Charities.
If I can spot these anomolies, so can NCMEC, and thus, they "know", and the lack of action in that direction, that silence, condemns them more than any words I could say.
-Frem
This is a mystery while I'm sure some of the children that are missing can be blamed on parent abuductions that doesn't account for half of children who go missing and are never heard from,..so this question begs to be asked, if 2,000-3,000 children go missing in the U.S everyday,what is happening to them?...whats going on.?
http://www.southernrescue.org/info/Missing.html
http://www.operationlookout.org/lookoutmag/Missing_Children_Data.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/fs100202.htm
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The guy certainly seems like a louse and likes 'em real young, but calling him a child molester might be a little over the top...
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so you think calling him a pedophile is over the top..really..seriously..I'm so thourghly disgusted right now I don't know what to say..
but ummm thanks for the honesty I guess!!its disturbingly great to know how people really feel
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I call bullshit.
They knew, they know.
The whole poisonous little atmosphere up on the hill is rife with this crap on both sides of the fence, even the most cursory investigation will leave any sensible person heaving into an airsick back in under an hour - I *guarantee* it.
What gets me is that none of this is a secret up on capitol hill, many of the people who are in government and positions of power know all about these pedophiles, They know who they are.., they know about the Bush's , Rove, Cheney the pedohile network, most of them know a little bit of whats happening, its one big boys club up there of sick and twisted nasty doings. and the people who aren't involved know a little something about the ones that are involved, but nobody is willing to talk openly about it out of fear.!!!
can someone tell me which news outlet broke this story 1rst , because I find it starnge that a main-stream newpaper or media outlet would do it.!! so I would like to see whats behind that!!
unless it was purposely put out there for a reason, one that we've yet to calculate!!!..I just find it extremely odd.
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can someone tell me which news outlet broke this story 1rst , because I find it starnge that a main-stream newpaper or media outlet would do.!! so I would like to see whats behind that!!
I think it was Brian Ross, an investigative reporter at ABC, who broke the story last week. However, Fox, the St. Petersberg Times, and the Miami Herald were all sent the e-mail last year and ignored it.
* edited to add: Here's the original post: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html
IIRC, Ross said that he was contacted by a different former page the next day who forwarded some instant messages. That's when the shit hit the fan.
Based on ABCs dismal performance during the Path to 9/11 fiasco I'd say it's a safe bet that this wouldn't have been broadcast on air or in print. Although once it got out, then they had to cover it because everyone else was. Seems like they forgot to censor their on-line content.
* edited on more time to add: The first reporting was done by Rhonda Schwartz and Maddy Sauer, not Ross (although it looks like everyone is a part of the Ross team).
* edited one last time to add: I found reading through the comments of the original post to be very, very interesting. I wonder if any of those people have changed their mind with the release of new information.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PJ, a little math lesson real quick.
And this'll let you know why I am less than fond of NCMEC.
Count how many missing kids in the USA, count em, just the reported ones, even.
Think of the physical VOLUME that so many people would take up, even.
Then go count how many kids go into the social services system, via neglect, abandonment or in rare case outright lame excuses.
Then go count how many come OUT.
So, what happens ?
Where the hell are they ?
They're not in foster care, not placed, not adoped and not in custody... they just... no longer officially exist.
Not only that, but Boys Town is not the only feeder system, there's plenty more, many associated with Catholic Charities.
If I can spot these anomolies, so can NCMEC, and thus, they "know", and the lack of action in that direction, that silence, condemns them more than any words I could say.
-Frem
This is a mystery while I'm sure some of the children that are missing can be blamed on parent abuductions that doesn't account for half of children who go missing and are never heard from,..so this question begs to be asked, if 2,000-3,000 children go missing in the U.S everyday,what is happening to them?...whats going on.?
http://www.southernrescue.org/info/Missing.html
http://www.operationlookout.org/lookoutmag/Missing_Children_Data.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/fs100202.htm
White House correspondent Johnny Gosch Gannon, the homohooker who slept over with Junior Bush 200 times...
www.johnnygosch.com
Here's part of the problem - a confessed "pedophile" ran the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children...
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"If I were one of these sickos I would be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my back."
-Congressman Mark Foley, co-chair of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted, VIDEO:
"It's vile. It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."
-Congressman Mark Foley, homosexual pedophile cybersex serviced during Congressional votes, regarding Monica Lowenski servicing Bill Clinton Blythe in the White House
"Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man. Mark voluntarily entered a substance abuse and mental health facility, and he will be there at least 30 days. This decision was Mark's, as was his decision to resign from the United States House of Representatives. Between the ages of 13 and 15, he was molested by a clergyman."
-David Roth, attorney for Mark Foley
www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/03/foley.scandal/index.html
"Do I make you a little horny?"
-Congressman Mark Foley, cybersex email to Congressional page
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=
364x2303322
Propaganda Brainwash Formula 101
Our local TV news perps the same brainwashing, when discussing our Republican Skull & Bones mayor raising taxes 100%, then identifying him as a "Democrat" on the TV title. The TV "newscaster" was the "deputy mayor" for our gay mayor, ambassador Victor "Victoria" Ashe, who is also the longtime S&M gay lover of Georgie Bush Jr, according to eyewitness dominatrix Leona McConnell, candidate for governor of Nevada.
www.mcconnellforgovernor.com
www.bushssecretlifein84.tripod.com
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"You'll pay any tax increase I tell you to pay! You can afford it!"
-Victor Ashe, mayor, Knoxville city council meeting
Question for Hero:
Foley has confessed to cybersex orgasm with a minor. Is that classified as the mental illness of pedophilia? Is that prosecutable as a sex crime? Is "contact" an essential element?
Has any law enforcement employee taken affidavits from the 5 pages, to determine if any were physically molested by
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Trust me folks, this one ain't even *begun* to get wacky yet - nice followup there Soupcatcher, pretty bizarre, isn't it ?
There's a whole heullva lot more to this that'll be coming out soon, whether they like it or not, even if the media tries to sit on it.
PN isn't too far off, on this one, it's way weirder than you know, and the strangeness has only just begun.
Certain devious and ruthless folk are busy setting these pricks up against each other, so there's also likely to be some pretty nasty mudslinging in short order, as well.
Stay tuned, make popcorn, and don't believe anything you haven't gotten valid confirmation of yourself.
"Going for a ride..." -River Tam
-Frem
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PN isn't too far off, on this one, it's way weirder than you know, and the strangeness has only just begun.
For the record, those pictures PN is posting showing kids in various SM poses are possibly illegal. I have considered contacting the FBI about them...
Even if they are legal, they certainly are objectionable and I think they ought to be removed. I'm surprised more folk have not mentioned this.
With regards to Mr. Foley, turns out he's gay and was abused by priests. All he has to do now is change parties and this will all go away. I note for the record that if he were a hot blonde female teacher he would not be facing jail time for what he's done. Matter of fact if he were a hot blonde female teacher in Florida, he could have had actual, much less virtual, sex with these 16 year-olds and not faced jail. And if he'd just been a (D), he'd not even have had to resign. I'm just sayin...
H
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The guy certainly seems like a louse and likes 'em real young, but calling him a child molester might be a little over the top...
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so you think calling him a pedophile is over the top..really..seriously..I'm so thourghly disgusted right now I don't know what to say..
but ummm thanks for the honesty I guess!!its disturbingly great to know how people really feel
Take it down a notch, Tiger. Believe it or not, I have very little power in setting age of consent laws in the US or abroad. If you are so disgusted, why don't you write the state legislatures and knock off the hyperbole. Start with Iowa, Missouri, and South Carolina, where it's 14 for girls... eeewww...
http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
If you have something to cite from a reliable or reputable source that indicates Foley molested pre-pubescent children, I will gladly retract my statement. Otherwise, I stand by the post.
Because as of now the only error I see is ending a sentence with a preposition.
As to your bizarre claims that the Stonecutters are abducting, molesting, and murdering children all over the country, I am a tad skeptical, to say the least. I am, however, unwilling to do the research to either confirm or refute your charges, as I will not google "secret child sex ring".
Edited to add:
"FBI's Foley case eyes legal 'gray area'"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061004/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/foley_investigat
ion_2
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"There are going to be some issues here in the gray area," Lanning said. "You may find this behavior repulsive, offensive or immoral. Whether it's a violation of law will be based on a precise reading of the law."
Investigators could consider federal obscenity laws, experts said, but the law prohibiting disseminating obscene material to children applies only to those under 16.
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I'm sure you would love for me to shut up, NOT Gonna Happen!!!just keep on posting, like I said let us know how you really feel.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
PJ, a little math lesson real quick.
And this'll let you know why I am less than fond of NCMEC.
Count how many missing kids in the USA, count em, just the reported ones, even.
Think of the physical VOLUME that so many people would take up, even.
Then go count how many kids go into the social services system, via neglect, abandonment or in rare case outright lame excuses.
Then go count how many come OUT.
So, what happens ?
Where the hell are they ?
They're not in foster care, not placed, not adoped and not in custody... they just... no longer officially exist.
Not only that, but Boys Town is not the only feeder system, there's plenty more, many associated with Catholic Charities.
If I can spot these anomolies, so can NCMEC, and thus, they "know", and the lack of action in that direction, that silence, condemns them more than any words I could say.
-Frem
This is a mystery while I'm sure some of the children that are missing can be blamed on parent abuductions that doesn't account for half of children who go missing and are never heard from,..so this question begs to be asked, if 2,000-3,000 children go missing in the U.S everyday,what is happening to them?...whats going on.?
http://www.southernrescue.org/info/Missing.html
http://www.operationlookout.org/lookoutmag/Missing_Children_Data.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/fs100202.htm
White House correspondent Johnny Gosch Gannon, the homohooker who slept over with Junior Bush 200 times...
www.johnnygosch.com
Here's part of the problem - a confessed "pedophile" ran the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children...
Quote:
"If I were one of these sickos I would be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my back."
-Congressman Mark Foley, co-chair of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted, VIDEO:
"It's vile. It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."
-Congressman Mark Foley, homosexual pedophile cybersex serviced during Congressional votes, regarding Monica Lowenski servicing Bill Clinton Blythe in the White House
"Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man. Mark voluntarily entered a substance abuse and mental health facility, and he will be there at least 30 days. This decision was Mark's, as was his decision to resign from the United States House of Representatives. Between the ages of 13 and 15, he was molested by a clergyman."
-David Roth, attorney for Mark Foley
www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/03/foley.scandal/index.html
"Do I make you a little horny?"
-Congressman Mark Foley, cybersex email to Congressional page
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=
364x2303322
Propaganda Brainwash Formula 101
Our local TV news perps the same brainwashing, when discussing our Republican Skull & Bones mayor raising taxes 100%, then identifying him as a "Democrat" on the TV title. The TV "newscaster" was the "deputy mayor" for our gay mayor, ambassador Victor "Victoria" Ashe, who is also the longtime S&M gay lover of Georgie Bush Jr, according to eyewitness dominatrix Leona McConnell, candidate for governor of Nevada.
www.mcconnellforgovernor.com
www.bushssecretlifein84.tripod.com
Quote:
"You'll pay any tax increase I tell you to pay! You can afford it!"
-Victor Ashe, mayor, Knoxville city council meeting
Question for Hero:
Foley has confessed to cybersex orgasm with a minor. Is that classified as the mental illness of pedophilia? Is that prosecutable as a sex crime? Is "contact" an essential element?
Has any law enforcement employee taken affidavits from the 5 pages, to determine if any were physical
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Let's see...
Bill Bennet and his gambling problem.
"Duke" Cunningham and his bribery problem (in jail).
Ney and the casino kickbacks (going to jail).
Tom and Bernadette Noe and Ohio Governor Taft, who between them "managed" about 7% of the Worker's Compensation Fund into their own pockets.
Tom Delay- indicted for conspircay to evade election laws
Biil Frist- under investigation for insider trading
"Scooter" Libby- indicted
Abramoff- director of conservative think tank Public Policy Research and religious-right organization Toward Tradition, pled guilty to several counts of criminal fraud- Freed to testify about a casino-related murder. I'm sure many more indictments will come out of this.
Hager- FDA advisor on Women's Reporductive Health- repeatedly raped and beat his wife
I'm of the impression that most Republicans are dyed in the wool hypocrites. Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
My senator Dr CanniBill Frist MD paid an $840-MILLION criminal and civil forfeiture for MEDICARE FRAUD. Then he was selected to US Senate, and promoted to Speaker in his freshman year... Sounds more like an $840-million bribe, than a penalty. His election eve was spent in Knoxville Tennessee, in Cotton Eyed Ho's, er, Joe's, a country music bar owned by a Arab under indictment for "concealing stolen property" and money laundering to the Middle East (terrorism and drug dealing for Bushes' CIA Iran-Contra network), who since pled guilty. We're so proud of "our" senator.
Frist's HCA $840M bribe:
www.geocities.com/idiotboxwars
www.votervoice.net/groups/foley
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=
364x2290966
Funny how Hero jumps to the defense of Foley, and attacks the messengers... Could he be... A GAY PEDOPHILE?! Or just a dog-loyal RepubliCon who worships pedophiles as gods?
"You can't stop the signal!"
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www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org
Does that seem right to you?
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