Am I the only One?
POSTED BY: Chewie
UPDATED: Thursday, October 5, 2006 02:46
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Thanks for the link.
This is the one I was thinking of, altho yours is more to the point
Quote:At this point I expect Auraptor to jump in and say that these people weren't US citizens. OTOH there is nothing in the current bill to prevent this kind of horror from happening again- to US citizens or anyone else.
In December 2003, US agents pulled Khaled el-Masri from a bus on the Serbia-Macedonia border and flew him to Afghanistan where he was drugged and tortured. But the man was a tad lucky. Though born in Lebanon, el-Masri had obtained German nationality. Germany came to his rescue, for he was no terrorist.
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The irony of Germany protecting someone from unfair detainment by the USA.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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citizen- sorry, but your post does not in ANY WAY 'back up your claims'. Sure, we both agreed that the Nazis blamed the Jews, but the fact of the matter is, the Jews were INNOCENT of the crimes levied against them. The same can NOT BE SAID WITH THE JIHADIST! . Somehow there's a synaps in your brain that simply skips that most relevent part of this whole discussion. I have to think that a) You're too stupid or b ) too full of some sort of false pride to allow yourself to admit these facts. My prior posts already backs up my claim, I feel no need to repeat it again.
My comments on Islamist was 100% accurate. No one kills more muslims than their fellow muslims. We did ignore the signs of Islamic terrorism, and what did we get ? 9/11, 7/7, Beslan.....
You can't site a SINGLE event pre WW2 where the Jews attacked ANYONE Why? Because it NEVER HAPPENED!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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We have that situation in Guantanamo. EVERYONE knows that a large percentage (the CIA says 30%, others say 60%) of the detainees were handed over to the USA simply for the bounty or to settle personal grudges. These people, many of them just farmers or shopkeepers, were waterboarded for intel that they didn't have. We can't let them go NOW, because NOW they hate the USA with a passion and they have interesting stories to tell. SO what do we do? Keep them until they're too old or too crazy to care or until they learn to say "I love Big Brother"?
Your version of the world is nothing short of laughable. The claim that 'everyone knows' so many detainees were just simple farmers and shop keepers is backed up by what ? Oh, NOTHING! All you have is fairy tales pacifist tell each other to reassure themselves they're on the moral high ground. You don't know who was waterboarded, nor do you know what intel they may or may NOT have. And now they hate us ?? Boy, do you have THAT dead wrong! They've been hating us since we were HELPING them to defeat the Soviets over 20 yrs ago! Yep, you read right! They tolerated our help because we gave them Stinger missles , which allowed them to shoot down Soviet helicopters. But even as they accepted our help, they muttered ( not enen under their breath ) that we were the great satan, too!
Spare us your cries of BIG BROTHER and 1984, and try to summon enough courage to face the real monsters here, those who saw off heads off innocent men, women and children, all in the name of 'Allah'.
Mohammad was a pedophile, btw.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:No, when you're proven wrong it's best to admit it. I said the Nazi's accused the Jews of attacking Germany, acting almost like terrorists, you said no they didn't they only blamed the Jews for the problems arising from World War One. I proved you wrong and you start to blather on about how we were actually in agreement so you don't have to admit being wrong? Sad.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen- sorry, but your post does not in ANY WAY 'back up your claims'. Sure, we both agreed that the Nazis blamed the Jews,
So yeah, it does back up my claims you may think I haven't, but that's because you are obviously woefully unable to tell what my claims are, I'd suggest a night school in reading comprehension, but unfortunately one can't polish a turd
. Also it's the height of hipocracy for someone such as yourself to denigrate me for not supporting what I said when not only have I done so, but you, as always, have not.Quote:Yeah the Nazi's used the same false logic to back up their daemonising of an entire group of people too.
but the fact of the matter is, the Jews were INNOCENT of the crimes levied against them. The same can NOT BE SAID WITH THE JIHADIST! . Somehow there's a synaps in your brain that simply skips that most relevent part of this whole discussion. I have to think that a) You're too stupid or b ) too full of some sort of false pride to allow yourself to admit these facts. My prior posts already backs up my claim, I feel no need to repeat it again.
My comments on Islamist was 100% accurate. No one kills more muslims than their fellow muslims. We did ignore the signs of Islamic terrorism, and what did we get ? 9/11, 7/7, Beslan.....
Whenever one says "all X are Y" it doesn't matter what X and Y is, you are wrong. Simple as that. You say all Muslims are violent terrorists. Well you're wrong, and if they were, well there's 1.6 billion of them, in that case we've already lost, unless you and the rest of the armchair light brigade have a stunning plan in how your uneducated fat arses will win the "war on Islam"?
Your comments on Islam are one hundred percent propaganda from people who really are the latest insidious incarnation of Nazism. People who heard Hermann Goering's opinions on how to control people and thought "wow what a great idea". Then people too lazy to find out information for themselves listen to it. Doesn't make them Nazis, just on a par with most of the population who are too busy dealing with the day to day of life to do so. Others like you, are just to lazy and stupid.
Word up my dickless little friend, I've been living under the spectre of terrorism my entire life, not one day of my life has there not been someone trying to kill me because I was born British. Now most of those terrorists were Catholics, so if I were to follow your lead I'd burst into tears say “but we're such nice people” shit my pants and then cower under a bed waiting for daddy to tell me the monsters are out of the closet. Unfortunately 'daddy' likes you under the bed scared, because from there you can't see 'daddy' stealing all your favourite toys. Since I've lived under the spectre of terrorism my entire life, and I'm still here, I'm not prepared to get so scared I let the terrorists win by default, obviously you are, but I'm a grown up, I don't need daddy to come rescue me.
I have more than enough courage to face the real monsters here. I can face you any day you wish.
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Quote:Not read the bible then no? Again you make sweeping statements that don't live up to scrutiny because your opinion stems from a lack of facts rather than the other thing. Why do so many people not see the 'true' threat like you and the Nazis and their supporters before you? Because not everyone lets people stick their hand up their arse to tell them how to think.
You can't site a SINGLE event pre WW2 where the Jews attacked ANYONE Why? Because it NEVER HAPPENED!
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Here's another innocent detainee:
Quote:nmallory.exit-23.net/20060819/innocent-man-detained-for-5-years-without-appology-from-us
Benemar “Ben” Benatta, a former Algerian air force lieutenant, arrived in Canada on September 5, 2001 seeking political assylum. A week later, he was escorted back across to the U.S. and turned over to U.S. immigration. Benemar Benatta didn’t learn about the the 9-11 terrorist attacks until September 12th when FBI agents paid him a visit. He was sent to a federal prison in Brooklyn and when he insisted he wasn’t involved in the attacks, they threatened to send him back to Algeria — a certain torture and death sentence for his desertion. ... Benemar Benatta was never charged of any crime during this time and in November 2001, the FBI prepared a report clearing him of any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. However, no one bothered to tell Benatta and in fact they didn’t bother to set him free or allow him access to the outside world.
Quote:You must be the only person who DOESN'T know! So- whose word would you take?
Your version of the world is nothing short of laughable. The claim that 'everyone knows' so many detainees were just simple farmers and shop keepers is backed up by what ? Oh, NOTHING!
heh heh heh. I'll give you a chance to do some googling and retract your statement. Better do it QUICK, before I shove it up your *ss! And you STILL haven't shown us why this bill is necessary. So tell me Auraptor- why does Bush need a bill that allows him to detain citizens w/ charges or oversight?
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Originally posted by citizen:
...well there's 1.6 billion of them, in that case we've already lost, unless you and the rest of the armchair light brigade have a stunning plan in how your uneducated fat arses will win the "war on Islam"?
A bit off subject, but if there is a battle against Islam, we have already lost. They have been out breeding us (Christians, Jews, Atheists, pretty much everyone except the Chinese) for like 3 generations. If it's a war, it's a war of attrition and they are popping out the pups at a much higher rate.
Anywho...
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Originally posted by SignyM:
You anti-habeas corpus folks have got it all wrong- again. But you haven't read the Bill, have you? So as usual, nothing but diarrhea comes out your mouths. I'll make it easy for you. You can link to the Bill thru this site- just click on the "Senate Version" Under Definitions- right at the very beginning- they define "Enemy Combatant" who is (1) someone who materially aids hostilities aginst the USA or (2) anyone the President says is an enemy combatant.
In all fairness, you paraphrased, and in that changed the whole meaning of the second part. What it actually says is this:
"(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combat Status Review Tribunal or other competant tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense"
Now granted, declaration of status by a Military Tribunal might not seem like a much better situation, but having been in the military, I'd say that those in charge of that decision would more likely show more discression than our Top would in that regard.
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I was referring to the "or any other competent tribunal established under the authority of the President" part of the Bill. Who establishes competence? What rules do they operate under? I sure don't know. I'm not sure anybody does.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I was referring to the "or any other competent tribunal established under the authority of the President" part of the Bill. Who establishes competence? What rules do they operate under? I sure don't know. I'm not sure anybody does.
Well, what you were refering to is not what you said. All Military Tribunals are created under the authority of the President and the Secretary of Defense, it's been that way for a long, long time.
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