Am I the only One?
POSTED BY: Chewie
UPDATED: Thursday, October 5, 2006 02:46
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Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I find it interesting that is it the BUSH fanatics that support this bill. What is it about them that makes them willing to trade everything - freedom, security, integrity, humanity, even sanity - for a dull-witted, drug-addled sociopath?
This is what's been on my mind. What makes fascism such an enduring concept? Why do societies return to it again and again?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
Because it's easier for them to do what they're told, than struggle to do what is right.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Fear.
This is what's been on my mind. What makes fascism such an enduring concept? Why do societies return to it again and again
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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And I'd add - greed.
But to get really down and dirty personal, why does Slick support Bush ? (Even though he's too ashamed to admit it, it's obvious. He steps in to Bush's defense at every turn, steps in to the defense of other Bushites when they falter, and never, but never, make a substantive anti-Bush criticism.) Or any of the others? Perhaps that is a topic for another thread, or perhaps they could answer it here. I'd really like for them to say WHY THEY SUPPORT BUSH.
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Quote:Maybe I've developed a view of our homegrown fascist-supporters that's just too cut-and-dried, but I don't think that people like Geezer, Hero, and Auraptor are greedy. The greedy people, the REAL fascists at the top, promote fear as a tool to satisfy their own greed. If they make "us" afraid enough, then we will flock to them for comfort, not understanding that they are a large source of our fear.
And I'd add - greed.
As for why Geezer, Hero, and Auraptor support Bush, I still think it comes down to one concept: Fear.
Geezer: Fear of losing the equilibrium and comfort he's worked so hard to achieve.
Auraptor: Fear of the Alien Menace.
Hero: Fear of being thought of as a hillbilly.
Fear works wonders on people's minds.
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Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.- Benjamin Franklin
I find it appalling that I have to quote Benjamin Franklin to people who are supposed patriots. Do you think that the Founding Fathers faced FEWER challenges than we do now? Think about it: they were fighting not only a recognized government... one which still commanded the loyalty of a great number of colonists, and which would have them hung as traitors should they lose... they were trying a breathtaking experiment in creating a republic... and their very homes and families were at stake
And they did not hide behind religion or fascism or convention to achieve their goals. You people who claim to be patriots are sniveling, ass-crapping cowards unfit for freedom.
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Quote:Well, I'd like to reply but I'm trying to NOT assume anything. I'm hoping more people will respond to "Why I support Bush". (dubya, not Reggie
Auraptor: Fear of the Alien Menace.
Fear works wonders on people's minds.
)However, when it comes to the poster formerly known as AUraptor, I recall he was a fervent Bush supporter even before 9/11. Unfortunately the archives don't go back far enough. But - do you remember when the Chinese forced a US spy plane down? Bush repeatedly made threatening comments like "give us back our plane OR ELSE !" And the Chinese took their sweet time returning the personnel, and even longer taking the plane apart. They finally returned it to the US in pieces. And Bush did - nothing. And the poster formerly known as AUraptor was way down with all of it. From the pointless bluster to the weasel retreat.
So fear is not driving him. At least not fear attributable to 9/11. I'd be curious as to what is.
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Originally posted by Glueman:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is a war that we did NOT start
"It's not what we say, it's what we do."
We started this by "meddling" in the political affairs of the middle east and our appetite for OIL!
"We Meddle" said by River in "Serenity"
2 Words...habeas corpus...If Auraptor was placed in prison for no reason, would anyone hear his screams?
That's horse shit and you know it. The Islamic nuts only want to subjugate women, gays and deny everyone their rights to free speech, freedom of religion and damn near any other freedom you can think of. Abe Lincoln suspended habeas corpus for EVERYONE, and the nation survived. I'm not going to be helping any terrorist, so I won't be put in any prison. Nice try at fear mongering though. Remember what Gandalf said to Bilbo, I'm not trying to rob you, I'm trying to help you!
How so many chickens in the Hen house have come to fear the Farmer more than the wolf that's trying to eat them, is beyond me.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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That's what I said: fear of the alien menace.
But Auraptor- you have not yet made the case that this law is even necessary. Would you give up a freedome for no reason?
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How so many chickens in the Hen house have come to fear the Farmer more than the wolf that's trying to eat them, is beyond me.
Maybe it's because the chickens have finally realized that it's the FARMER [Bush] who will come into their henhouse at midnight and take away as many chickens away to be slaughtered as he damn well likes, while the WOLF may or may not actually show up at all -- plus almost ALL of the WOLVES the chickens have been now thoroughly conditioned to fear live in other countries. Countries that the FARMER seems hell-bent on invading and taking all their oil, etc.
And if you really wanna know who's responsible for murdering MOST of the innocent people in the WTC towers on 9/11 go to Google Video and type in "Terror Storm" and watch the video. Also type 9/11 and see all the vids that pop up on the subject. Go to www.911pressfortruth.com and get the video.
Elements of our Government or Shadow elements thereof have been pulling the strings of GWB and puppets like him for years. Read 1984. Orwell had it all figured out in 1948 when he wrote the book. Only now we got more high-tech toys to do the dirty work with.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Fear.
This is what's been on my mind. What makes fascism such an enduring concept? Why do societies return to it again and again
One can argue that all actions are either motivated by "fear" or "attachment." (Buddhist talk.)
The question is, fear of what?
I would propose that fascism recurs because of a fear of responsibility and awful, hard work. In other words, laziness. It is so much easier to entrust our defense and security to a benevolent government than to take responsibility to arm and secure ourselves. And once you give the government that job, it is only a matter of time before they decide to secure society against its own members, i.e. fascism.
I have said before that an anarchistic or truly libertarian society is a shitty way to live. It would be very much like living on Serenity dodging the Alliance, Niska, and Reavers. Most people don't want to live that way. They want to live on a Core planet with museums and hospitals. They are willing to pay the price.
And I wouldn't blame this law on Bush alone. He isn't in the Senate and the House. We ALL failed.
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Of course the people dont want war...that is understood. But voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. -- Hermann Goering
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Quote:Just so we're clear, this is the farmer that has no problem slaughtering all his chickens on mass if that means profit and habitually steals their children away, right?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How so many chickens in the Hen house have come to fear the Farmer more than the wolf that's trying to eat them, is beyond me.
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