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POSTED BY: Novagrass
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ZICSOFT

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:56 AM

No, there's only one way to write out Buffy. She has to die, and permanently this time. Sorry, but that's what happens to all the Slayers.

I can see it now.

OSIRIS: Look, I've cut you a lot of slack, but you know you're way past Your Time.

BUFFY: Yeah, I know. Just give me a sec to say goodbye -- and make sure Willow hasn't got any more tricks up her sleeve.

DAWN: NO! You can't leave me! Who will protect me?

BUFFY: Get a grip! You're 25 alredy!

NOVAGRASS

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
No, there's only one way to write out Buffy. She has to die, and permanently this time. Sorry, but that's what happens to all the Slayers.

Sorry, but that's a pretty closed-minded viewpoint. Sure, it would make the most sense, and would be the obvious choice to have her die; however, it may not be better than if she lived.

For the following reasons:

1) Buffy isn't an ordinary slayer, as has been told to us hundreds of times in the series' run. It's pretty much the basis of the character, the basis of the show.
2) If Gellar decides to leave the show, she could never leave it behind fully. It's what made her; she loves the environment.
3) If Buffy died permanently, it would immediately dissolve all possibility of guest starring roles. It also completely eliminates the possibility of a Buffy movie, which, while it is something that Gellar does not yet want to do, is something that Whedon would like to work on in the future.
4) What's the point? Buffy's died twice already... her story's been there, she doesn't need to visit it again. She'd need something new, something that hasn't been done to her character for it to be a good ending to her story. It has been proven that death does not end Buffy's story, so a proper ending for her does not involve death.
5) Frankly, I don't think Whedon would bear killing a character he loves so much. He had a hard enough time killing Tara; I don't think he'd be able to kill Buffy forever (presumptuous, no?).

Whatever happens happens. The show has an amazing team running it... they (Joss) will tell the most fitting ending to each character's story, whether it be death or something else.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

MOJOECA

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:47 AM

They could kill Buffy again, but it lacks resonance as they've done that twice already. They could pull an XF, and just make her disappear (suck her into another dimension).

Or, GASP! They could just end the show! I'm in that camp.

--- Joe

SHUGGIE

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
No, there's only one way to write out Buffy. She has to die, and permanently this time. Sorry, but that's what happens to all the Slayers.

Just because all Slayers die doesn't mean the only way to end the series is to have Buffy die. All lawyers die (human ones anyway) but they didn't kill Ally McBeal did they?

Shug

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:27 PM

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Now, I see Buffy leaving Sunnydale by way of a realization that there are other places in the world that need protection from demons. She could become the destiny-free traveler, helping whomever needs it.

Now, Faith still hasn't completed her destiny. She needs to do something heroic (along the lines of self-sacrifice) to fulfill her own destiny and bring her story full circle.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

Destiny or not, Buffy seems to have done more good than any Slayer before her (as far as we know anyway) and if she were to look at it practically there's no reason she couldn't leave the serious slaying (i.e. the Hellmouth) to a younger, fresher slayer and move off somewhere less evil infested. She could still slay, she just wouldn't have to deal with the plural of apocalypse on such a regular basis.

Or, unless ME is absolutely married to the idea of having a Dawn spin off, the easiest way to get Buffy to move from Sunnydale is have it be for the good of Dawn somehow. It would definitely alleviate the guilt factor at leaving the Hellmouth in the hands of Faith or a new, untested slayer.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

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ZICSOFT

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:30 PM

Oh, come on Suggie. You know that's not what I meant. When I said all Slayers die, I meant that they all die young. It's only been mentioned umpteen times.

SHUGGIE

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:31 PM

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Oh, come on Suggie. You know that's not what I meant. When I said all Slayers die, I meant that they all die young. It's only been mentioned umpteen times.

I wasn't ignoring the fact that Slayers die young - I just didn't think it was relevant. Whether they die at 25 or 95 doesn't change the fact that there are other ways to end the series other than kill off Buffy. IMNSHO of course.

Shug

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:07 AM

I don't know about you guys, but I'm from the school of thought that believes that the slayer that stands against the BIG apocalypse is Buffy. I am, of course, not talking about all those wussy, little midgit apocalypsesescies that they are so fond of having on the Hellmouth. I'm talking about the BIG one alluded to in Fray, and most likey one and the same with the one predicted in the Scroll of Aberjian. The apocalypse that really is the end. No more demons. No more vampires. Just a bunch of humans, who seem more than capable of ing up the planet without supernatural intervention.

If I am correct, then Buffy cannot die until that prophesy is fullfilled. To do that, ME would have to combine all the shows and end them at once, in one big, epic... thingy. Since they're probably not going to do that at the end of BTVS S7, and probably not even later, then I do not see the Buffinator dying in the last ep.

On a related subject, if all demons leave the Earth plane of existance with that apocalypse, what happens to all the good demons, and all the demon/human hyprids. In other words, are Cordy/Anya/Spike/Lorne/Groo in deep doo-doo? What about Connor or Oz? Do they get the boot too?

"I'm suddenly wondering what the pural of 'apocalypse' is..." -- Riley "A New Man"

ZICSOFT

Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:47 AM

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm from the school of thought that believes that the slayer that stands against the BIG apocalypse is Buffy.

Is this based on ... (oh yeah, I guess that's sort of a spoiler)

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the backstory about the "end of magic" in Fray? If so, I have to point out that the comic doesn't refer to Buffy by name.

DARKANGELSLAYER

Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:44 AM

If they really did want to kill Buffy off, they would've made season 5 the last! I mean, has Joss ever been redundant with the storylines?

The theory is that that girl killed at the beginning of Lessons was a potential slayer, but what would be the purpose of killing off potential slayers unless they were planning on killing the slayer, and they're trying to avoid on a replacement slayer right away. So my theory is Faith will die (or at least someone will try and kill her) at the end of season 7, cuz Buffy doesn't come with any replacements anymore.

I think it's cool they're dealing the slayer mythology now, cuz I've always wondered where the slayers come from, or is there a giant list somewhere of the future slayers out there, and if so, do these future slayers get slayer powers before they've been promoted to "the Slayer",a nd if so, can't they just use these powers to fight evil too (like Kendra, cuz she was trained for slayerhood since she was a kid) cuz they're pretty vague about that.

I've never read Fray, so I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Was that Fray at the end of Tales of the Slayers? Is the Fray comics still in print, cuz I've been looking for it forever and can never find it! Is there anyplace where i can find it in NYC?