Dushku has an announcment: Letterman Interview on Aug 27!

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GUANTES

Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:07 PM

I can see how a Faith Series can have any fixed location even if it were to exist.... How can Faith remain in Sunnydale for long with ALL the Cops in America after her, come to think of it do we know how she'll get out of Jail?

I'm thinking that Monopoly card is a no go! I've been assuming prison break.....

Still would be wicked to see Spike and Faith working together, especially the 'new' Spike.

Phil
"I'm not ashamed. It's the computer age. Nerds are in. They're still in, right?" -Willow

MOJOECA

Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:16 PM

A Faith series sounds all well and good. BUT, the chances of signing Dushku as a regular in a spin-off are slimmer than signing SMG for season 8. Unless/until Eliza's burgeoning movie career hits an iceberg, FtS is a complete pipedream.

--- Joe

ZICSOFT

Friday, August 30, 2002 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by mojoeca:
A Faith series sounds all well and good. BUT, the chances of signing Dushku as a regular in a spin-off are slimmer than signing SMG for season 8. Unless/until Eliza's burgeoning movie career hits an iceberg, FtS is a complete pipedream.

--- Joe

Uhm. Joe, you're certainly entitled to disagree with me. But to simply contradict me without addressing my arguments seems kind of pointless.

MOJOECA

Friday, August 30, 2002 6:26 PM

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Uhm. Joe, you're certainly entitled to disagree with me. But to simply contradict me without addressing my arguments seems kind of pointless.

Fair enough.

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Dushku has been getting a lot of movie work, but she's yet to get a starring role. Being a supporting actor in movies pays better than being a recurring character on a TV series.

Does she make more per movie than she would in her own series per season? I don't think she's quite there yet, but she sees her movie career as blossoming. Unless that outlook changes, she's going to keep pursuing those supporting roles in hopes of going A-list. By the way, ED's latest release is CITY BY THE SEA, where she stars along side Robert DeNiro, Frances McDormand, and James Franco.

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being a star in anything is gratifying to the pocketbook, the ego, and most of all the career. I doubt if she'd turn down her own series.

Movie stars garner much more prestige than TV stars. So many actors, including stars in mainstream hit series (i.e. David Caruso), have left TV for movies; so few have left movies for TV, unless forced to by a floundering career (i.e. David Caruso). Unless ED's career stalls, a Faith series just isn't in the cards.

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Right now he's got four series he's playing a big part in running, and a fifth one (Ripper) on hold until he can find time for it. So a Faith series is probably dependent on finding someone to run it.

Signing Dushku (I love that surname, BTW) is a much more dependent factor than ME's full plate. Joss seems not too bothered by going forward with a BUFFY continuation/spin-off next year (even though he confesses he has no idea what it would be). If Eliza were to tell him she'd like to do a FAITH series when BUFFY ends, I think he would jump at the chance.

He once said in an interview that he envisioned a Faith spinoff as being a road show, RENEGADE-like. That would be a perfect way to "continue" BUFFY without Buffy, while keeping open the option of BUFFY characters starring, and SMG recurring. And making a BUFFY movie without confusion.

--- Joe

BOBKNAPTOR

Tuesday, September 3, 2002 6:40 PM

I would love to see a Faith spinoff. She's great... so tortured in that first episode, and then made so evil. And then tortured again when she switched bodies with Buffy. (I haven't watched much of Angel, so I don't know how she was there.) I could see a great series where she is constantly walking the line of good intentions and the easy/evil way out. Not necessarily the night and day of Angel, but more of the moral dilemma.

Unfortunately, I don't see it happening. Her movie career has been a slow starter, but I have to agree with Mo... even if she is only supporting cast, a DeNiro movie is not something someone does before giving up on their dreams of becoming a leading lady. If she's smart, she'll keep making movies.

Here's what I think will happen:

1) Faith dies.
2) New Slayer is called.
3) Willow is watcher.
4) Spike joins the new gang.
5) Xander and Buffy get married (not necessarily to each other) or settle down in some other way... get out of the "life". Buffy only joins the fight every once in a while (maybe 2 or 3 episodes the first year, then 1 or 2 a season after that).

As for the "yet another show for Joss" problem, with Buffy gone, it's not an additional show, it's an "instead of" show.

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So that's my dream. That and some stuff about cigars and a tunnel. But tell me, college girl, what does it mean?

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, September 3, 2002 11:00 PM

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3) Willow is watcher.

I can't quite see that. The watchers have always been played as stodgy nitwits -- including Giles, before he broke with them. According to the Fray comic books

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they eventually become a bunch of irrelevent crazies

. And they use magic. Not people Willow would hook up with.

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4) Spike joins the new gang.

Hey, we still know jack about William the Bloody, Third Edition. Too early to anticipate what he might do.

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5) Xander and Buffy get married (not necessarily to each other) or settle down in some other way... get out of the "life". Buffy only joins the fight every once in a while (maybe 2 or 3 episodes the first year, then 1 or 2 a season after that).

That's a good standard TV solution, but I'd find it very disappointing. Buffy's unremitting (and unrequited) desire to be "destiny-free" has been a theme from the very beginning. The "I can afford to scale back now" solution would be very unsatisfying.

BOBKNAPTOR

Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
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3) Willow is watcher.

I can't quite see that. The watchers have always been played as stodgy nitwits -- including Giles, before he broke with them. According to the Fray comic books
Select to view spoiler:
they eventually become a bunch of irrelevent crazies
. And they use magic. Not people Willow would hook up with.

It's true, watchers have not been traditionally portrayed well, but authority figures in general are shown in the buffyverse as being old-fashioned and incapable of really dealing with any of the things they are supposedly supposed to be in charge of. (cops, parents, teachers... unless they are one of the bads, are pretty much shown as idiots)

Here's my thought though... new slayer isn't the sassy one like buffy and faith are/have been. New slayer is closer to Kendra... very by the book. And the watcher (in my idea, Willow) is the one who is bucking the status quo, trying to get the new slayer to open up to the idea of other ways of handling the calling.

As for the magic thing, I really don't believe that they'll make willow go back to being a computer geek only. I think she'll still have the magic, but will have to work to control it. I heard someone else's hypothesis that after last seasons actions, she wouldn't be able to completely "get rid" of the magic. I like that theory. Saves them the whole drug addiction/alcoholism "never-again" fol

I read at the spoiler slayer that said that

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in episode 3, Willow comes home, but she and the scoobies are unable to see each other, and this is because she is so nervous about seeing them again, that she accidentally makes them not be able to see her or she them. So, if she doesn't come back from England "magic free" then I'm thinking she won't be a non-magic being.

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"Frisky Watchers Chat Room." Why, Giles!

BOBKNAPTOR

Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
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3) Willow is watcher.

I can't quite see that. The watchers have always been played as stodgy nitwits -- including Giles, before he broke with them. According to the Fray comic books
Select to view spoiler:
they eventually become a bunch of irrelevent crazies
. And they use magic. Not people Willow would hook up with.

It's true, watchers have not been traditionally portrayed well, but authority figures in general are shown in the buffyverse as being old-fashioned and incapable of really dealing with any of the things they are supposedly in charge of. (cops, parents, teachers... unless they are one of the bads, are pretty much shown as idiots)

Here's my thought though... new slayer isn't the sassy one like buffy and faith are/have been. New slayer is closer to Kendra... very by the book. And the watcher (in my idea, Willow) is the one who is bucking the status quo, trying to get the new slayer to open up to the idea of other ways of handling the calling.

As for the magic thing, I really don't believe that they'll make willow go back to being a computer geek only. I think she'll still have the magic, but will have to work to control it. I heard someone else's hypothesis that after last seasons actions, she wouldn't be able to completely "get rid" of the magic. I like that theory. Saves them the whole drug addiction/alcoholism "never-again" philosophy.

I read at the spoiler slayer that said that

Select to view spoiler:

in episode 3, Willow comes home, but she and the scoobies are unable to see each other, and this is because she is so nervous about seeing them again, that she accidentally makes them not be able to see her or she them. So, if she doesn't come back from England "magic free" then I'm thinking she won't be a non-magic being.

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"Frisky Watchers Chat Room." Why, Giles!

NOVAGRASS

Thursday, September 5, 2002 1:25 AM

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I can't quite see that. The watchers have always been played as stodgy nitwits -- including Giles, before he broke with them. According to the Fray comic books
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they eventually become a bunch of irrelevent crazies
. And they use magic. Not people Willow would hook up with.

What I'm thinking is: Willow could act as a catalyst that triggers the irrelevance of the Council. Her radical views might not go over well with the current watchers, and they'll struggle to keep her confined. Much like the "Traditional Values Coalition," the Watchers could become the anti-progressive force, and Willow could trigger this behavior which would lead to their demise.

Though, I doubt Giles would subject Willow to that lifestyle. He does, after all, hate the Council as much as Buffy does. So, it's doubtful to me that he'd give her the title. Though, I think it could make sense and work if they chose this direction.

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Hey, we still know jack about William the Bloody, Third Edition. Too early to anticipate what he might do.

I highly doubt they'll change him into someone who won't work with the rest of the group, AND he's signed for two more seasons, just like the rest of the cast. Though, you are right... we don't know what ME has up their sleeves.

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That's a good standard TV solution, but I'd find it very disappointing. Buffy's unremitting (and unrequited) desire to be "destiny-free" has been a theme from the very beginning. The "I can afford to scale back now" solution would be very unsatisfying.

The way I see it, Buffy is now destiny-free. Her actions at the end of "The Gift" were meant to bring an end to her story. The gang bringing her back to life wasn't supposed to happen, and I believe that a burried theme of season six is Buffy's disassociation from that destiny, and her struggles to get over that.

Now, I see Buffy leaving Sunnydale by way of a realization that there are other places in the world that need protection from demons. She could become the destiny-free traveler, helping whomever needs it.

Now, Faith still hasn't completed her destiny. She needs to do something heroic (along the lines of self-sacrifice) to fulfill her own destiny and bring her story full circle.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

BOBKNAPTOR

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:37 PM

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5) Xander and Buffy get married (not necessarily to each other) or settle down in some other way... get out of the "life". Buffy only joins the fight every once in a while (maybe 2 or 3 episodes the first year, then 1 or 2 a season after that).
That's a good standard TV solution, but I'd find it very disappointing. Buffy's unremitting (and unrequited) desire to be "destiny-free" has been a theme from the very beginning. The "I can afford to scale back now" solution would be very unsatisfying.

I just had another thought about how to get Buffy out of the picture without it just being "don't feel like slayin anymore, let the young tykes handle the demons!" (the more I think about it, the less I think Xander will go away, although I'm not sure what he'd be in the spin-off I was dreaming up before..)

Ok, so what happens to buffy? Some kind of freaky mystical thing where she LOSES her power. She has already died twice, almost 3 times, and they just can't kill her again. We've been there, done that.

Here's Bob's new thought for how to get rid of Buffy at the end of the season:
The big bad, whatever it is... is trying to do some evil with the hellmouth... open it, or bring someone out, or something. Something along those lines. The only way to stop BigBad is to do this special spell that uses Buffy's power as the slayer to seal the hellmouth forever, but leaves Buffy without any slayer powers. Just because the hellmouth is sealed doesn't mean that there would be no demons around for the next slayer to fight, and also, it would mean that the new show wouldn't have to be in Sunnydale. In "The Wish" Giles has to try and convince the Council that the Hellmouth even exists in Sunnydale. And when Angel was sent to hell in the end of season 2, that had nothing directly to do with the hellmouth. And Buffy's evil roommate in Season 4 left via a big whole that opened in the middle of her dormroom floor! So there could be other doors to demon dimensions. Or maybe it's just a matter of fighting the demons left behind once the hellmouth closed.

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Buck up you. You kill the best. Go you. Kill, kill.

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