Bush's Rhetoric Redux
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 6, 2006 13:25
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Quote:Though I find these kinds of conversations deeply boring, I gotta speak to this bit here. BDN, you just quoted Signy as saying
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
So you disagree with the policies of the present administration. That makes them evil? When did you become the nation's moral compass?
Quote:Are you trying to be funny again? You and the Bush apologists simply assert that the lengthy, extensively documented complaints of Bush's many critics are baseless, hateful and arbitrary. Is that all you got? Denial? Is plausible deniability your moral compass?
Originally posted by SignyM:
There are many people I disagree with, and a few of those I think really are evil.
Signy ain't the nation's moral compass, Signy is Signy's moral compass. What part of freedom of speach don't you understand?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
BDN, Are you trying to be funny again? You and the Bush apologists simply assert that the lengthy, extensively documented complaints of Bush's many critics are baseless, hateful and arbitrary. Is that all you got? Denial? Is plausible deniability your moral compass?
Hey HK,
I've seen discussed on this board that certain members are tired of other members 'parroting' conservative ideals like simple computer programs during the course of a discussion. I do not see how the constant harping on Bush's foibles is any different. He screws up and looks silly sometimes, I get that.
Nor did I try to argue that Bush's well documented complaints are baseless. My argument has always been that Bush is the President and will continue to be for awhile yet. Bush can not be impeached for stumbling over words. Nor can Bush be re-elected so there is no longer any need, IMHO, to 'get the word out'.
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Signy ain't the nation's moral compass, Signy is Signy's moral compass. What part of freedom of speach don't you understand?
Signy obviously disagrees with the current Administration, I think we can all agree about that. Now barring alleged voter fraud, a majority of Americans followed their moral compasses in the last two elections and voted the current Administration in. That's the great thing about a democracy, majority rules. Unless, of course, you are not in the majority. But then there is always hope in the next election.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Quote:Steak knives ? That counts as funny ??? Maybe you put your humor in the junk drawer instead of with the utensils.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Congratulations!!!!
For the umpteenth post on Bush's grammatical errors, you are the proud new owner of a set of steak knives!
Originally posted by rue:
And once again the humourless respond.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
That's not fair Rue. I thought my original post had a modicum of humor. I guess you are of the opinion that you are either for or against the President. Now where have I heard that before?
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BDN,
No wonder you identify with Bush. How you could get so many things wrong in two short, simple sentences is truly amazing. Let's count the ways, shall we?Quote:
(1) Now barring alleged voter fraud, (2) a majority of Americans followed their moral compasses (3) in the last two elections and (4) voted the current Administration in. That's the great thing about a democracy, (5) majority rules.
(1, 3) Probable massive voter fraud, as in the last two elections, has never been investigated by the government. Voter fraud, if proven, does invalidate an election. (2) Even with probable vote-tampering, the overall majority of Americans voted for Gore. (4) The Gore-Bush election was decided by the Supreme Court. (5) The overall majority vote doesn't decide the presidency in any election - the electoral college does.
So, since the majority didn't vote for Bush in both elections, the majority doesn't pick the president, and the elections were invalid - what was your point, again?
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Originally posted by rue:
So, since the majority didn't vote for Bush in both elections, the majority doesn't pick the president, and the elections were invalid...
Oh, and you thought that was bad. Just wait until this Nov. when we get to see these exquisitely gerrymandered districts in action. What the majority believes has very little to do with whom gets elected... Your vote, my vote, they're all worthless...
"It's not the people who vote that count; It's the people who count the votes" -Josef Stalin
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Originally posted by rue:
BDN,
No wonder you identify with Bush. How you could get so many things wrong in two short, simple sentences is truly amazing. Let's count the ways, shall we?Quote:
(1) Now barring alleged voter fraud, (2) a majority of Americans followed their moral compasses (3) in the last two elections and (4) voted the current Administration in. That's the great thing about a democracy, (5) majority rules.
(1, 3) Probable massive voter fraud, as in the last two elections, has never been investigated by the government. Voter fraud, if proven, does invalidate an election. (2) Even with probable vote-tampering, the overall majority of Americans voted for Gore. (4) The Gore-Bush election was decided by the Supreme Court. (5) The overall majority vote doesn't decide the presidency in any election - the electoral college does.
So, since the majority didn't vote for Bush in both elections, the majority doesn't pick the president, and the elections were invalid - what was your point, again?
Well if the elections were invalid, how come they still stand? Honestly, I would really like to know. If there is documented proof that Gore got more of the popular vote than Bush, why is Bush President?
I added that whole barring voter fraud thing because it is a topic which I do not know enough about to reasonably discuss so I thought it necessary to preface my argument with it.
Plus, if you re-read my post, I said that a majority of Americans voted the current Administration in, not the current President. Doesn't that mean that more Republicans got voted in than Democrats thereby giving the GOP control of Congress? That would leave the Democrats and like minded people in the minority of government, would it not?
So I guess my point was...
Posting to stir stuff up.
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All Bush has to do is say what his master bids him to. How hard is that?
on a lighter, but Firefly , note,, that's all Nathan, Adam, Alan, Sean, Ron, Morena, Gina, Jewel, and Summer had to do, too.
And they couldn't manage it too well, either.... Check out the gag reels...
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
All Bush has to do is say what his master bids him to. How hard is that?
on a lighter, but Firefly , note,, that's all Nathan, Adam, Alan, Sean, Ron, Morena, Gina, Jewel, and Summer had to do, too.
And they couldn't manage it too well, either.... Check out the gag reels...
With one exception - Bush gets his notes on the podium in front of him (at least, he should) - they have to memorize their lines.
But, the gag reel is my second-favorite part of the show (other than the episodes, of course).
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Quote:Bush popular, total 50,456,002 percent 47.87% Gore popular, total 50,999,897 percent 48.38%
If there is documented proof that Gore got more of the popular vote than Bush, why is Bush President?
www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html
DOH!
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Thanks, Signy. I was just so dismayed when I read that BDN didn't know this, and by extention didn't know about the electoral college (maybe if everyone in this country knew what the electoral college actually was, we could have the damn thing abolished once and for all). How are we ever gonna achieve an "informed electorate" at this rate?
And BDN, I don't mean to pick on you. You are by no means alone in not fully understanding the way our government works (if indeed your last post wasn't simply mared by a couple misleading typos, or a simple lapse in memory or something like that). I know some things, but I've learned a lot--learned to care a lot about more about our government in the last five years than I ever did before.
A friend of mine, college educated, very smart, one of the funnier people I know (and I know some hilarious people)--my friend did not know until this year that the Federal Government was not responsible for all the laws in the United States.
(There should really be a :jawdrop: emoticon, don'tcha think?)
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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