Bush's Rhetoric Redux
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 6, 2006 13:25
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By the way, I've allways wanted to know exactly what is a "Terrrrssst" anyway?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Bush popular, total 50,456,002 percent 47.87% Gore popular, total 50,999,897 percent 48.38%
If there is documented proof that Gore got more of the popular vote than Bush, why is Bush President?
www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html
DOH!
I asked a question (see question mark above) and instead of an answer, you offer nothing. Needing closure, I did some research on my own. Thanks Wikipedia. And thanks Signy, I guess, for the kick in the ass to do my own research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_20
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Posting to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Thanks, Signy. I was just so dismayed when I read that BDN didn't know this, and by extention didn't know about the electoral college (maybe if everyone in this country knew what the electoral college actually was, we could have the damn thing abolished once and for all). How are we ever gonna achieve an "informed electorate" at this rate?
I do humbly apologize to dismay you so. In the interests of causing you further dismay in the future, I would like to go on record as saying there are a number of things that I do not know. That's why I ask questions.
I'm Canadian, and a brief over-view in elementary school notwithstanding, I am still new to American politics. Now Canadian politics is another matter, which may not interest this crowd much, so I try to muddle through.
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And BDN, I don't mean to pick on you. You are by no means alone in not fully understanding the way our government works
If only there was some sort of World Wide Web or something like that. Imagine the ideas and information that could be shared.
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if indeed your last post wasn't simply mared by a couple misleading typos, or a simple lapse in memory or something like that). I know some things, but I've learned a lot--learned to care a lot about more about our government in the last five years than I ever did before.
Still a few years behind you but bridging the gap thanks to Wikipedia. Mared by misleading typos
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A friend of mine, college educated, very smart, one of the funnier people I know (and I know some hilarious people)--my friend did not know until this year that the Federal Government was not responsible for all the laws in the United States.
(There should really be a :jawdrop: emoticon, don'tcha think?)
Thanks for adding this last part. Up until then I thought you were coming off as a bit condescending.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Ack! BDN! You are Canadian! Please forgive me, I thought (assumed) you were a fellow countryman. As the youngsters say nowadays, my bad.
You may be relieved to know that your being unclear on the often absurd workings of the U.S. government (seeing as you're Canadian and all and therefore did not necessarily sleep through high school civics), causes me no dismay at all. I am in fact, relieved.
I was so hoping that I was wrong about you, and, lo and behold, I was!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:You're welcome. I didn't have time to post more so I'm glad that you did your own research.
I asked a question (see question mark above) and instead of an answer, you offer nothing. Needing closure, I did some research on my own. Thanks Wikipedia. And thanks Signy, I guess, for the kick in the ass to do my own research.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You may be relieved to know that your being unclear on the often absurd workings of the U.S. government (seeing as you're Canadian and all and therefore did not necessarily sleep through high school civics), causes me no dismay at all. I am in fact, relieved.
Hey HKCavalier,
I don't think high school civics classes are as widespread as they once were. It would be helpful if we had some high school teachers chime in, but it is my understanding that many high schools have folded the civics portion into the social studies courses and only teach it for a few weeks. If at that. Partly because it is more important to focus on reading and math for the assessment tests than it is to educate students on governance (eta: an emphasis that I disagree with).
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I'm able to post only in snippets. BDN- Rue told me that Candian PM elections are by paper ballot, that they're counted by hand overnight, and that it's based on the popular vote.
That would be too simple and straighforward for us. We prefer insecure machines, biased election officials, machine-counting, and the electoral college. Why make something simple and workable when you can let politicians muck about, eh?
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You may be relieved to know that your being unclear on the often absurd workings of the U.S. government (seeing as you're Canadian and all and therefore did not necessarily sleep through high school civics), causes me no dismay at all. I am in fact, relieved.
Hey HKCavalier,
I don't think high school civics classes are as widespread as they once were. It would be helpful if we had some high school teachers chime in, but it is my understanding that many high schools have folded the civics portion into the social studies courses and only teach it for a few weeks. If at that. Partly because it is more important to focus on reading and math for the assessment tests than it is to educate students on governance (eta: an emphasis that I disagree with).
Well, I don't teach social studies, but I'll chime in as a High School Teacher. In my state, New Mexico, students are required to have 3 1/2 credits of Soc. Studies in order to graduate. One must be US history, one must be World History/Geography and one must be Government/Economics (which is generally split 1 semester for each). The remaining 1/2 credit is for NM history.
So, one semester, durring the Senior year, is about all the government education as they get in these parts. Not much, but at least they're given a primer, I suppose.
And yes, this is due in large part to the increased focus on math and reading test scores, thanks to the POS-NCLB act.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Well, I don't teach social studies, but I'll chime in as a High School Teacher. In my state, New Mexico, students are required to have 3 1/2 credits of Soc. Studies in order to graduate. One must be US history, one must be World History/Geography and one must be Government/Economics (which is generally split 1 semester for each). The remaining 1/2 credit is for NM history.
So, one semester, durring the Senior year, is about all the government education as they get in these parts. Not much, but at least they're given a primer, I suppose.
And yes, this is due in large part to the increased focus on math and reading test scores, thanks to the POS-NCLB act.
Thanks, Storymark, for the information. It's good to see that at least one course is dedicated to civics. I'm working my way through a report on the state of civics education in US high schools and I was starting to get pretty discouraged by stuff like only 29 states requiring students to take a government or civics course.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ack! BDN! You are Canadian! Please forgive me, I thought (assumed) you were a fellow countryman. As the youngsters say nowadays, my bad.
You may be relieved to know that your being unclear on the often absurd workings of the U.S. government (seeing as you're Canadian and all and therefore did not necessarily sleep through high school civics), causes me no dismay at all. I am in fact, relieved.
I was so hoping that I was wrong about you, and, lo and behold, I was!
Good to hear.
I think we can both agree that an informed electorate is vital to the democratic process. I also realize that because of democracy, people also have every right to stay as un-informed as they want to. You take the good with the bad.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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