Bush's Rhetoric Redux
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 6, 2006 13:25
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Originally posted by Causal:
Yeah, plus member since '04. Sorry, it's just a knee-jerk anymore.
No problem. I get it. I don't much appreciate those folks stealthin' about. I don't post much, but what I do is from me.
Anyway, I'm asking again. Is there no recognition of this man's mental shortcomings? You gotta meet at least halfway here. I mean, c'mon, listen to him. It's lingual agony.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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Originally posted by Phoenixship:
Is that your answer?
I know it's impossible to verify, so you'll have to just trust me, but I have only the one screen name. And I hope you're not implying a dearth of Bush detractors, because more and more seem to be popping up all the time.
Seriously, am I wrong? I'm asking sincerely here.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
Nah, there are a lot of Bush detractors. (And I don't really think you're Kane, btw). I am a newly converted Bush detractor, my-own-self (mmm, Firefly-lingo goodness). But I'm not one of the Bush detractors that actually think he's an imbecile--just seriously misguided. I don't feel that I have to believe that he's the devil incarnate just to disagree with him, and it seems like some people think that if you don't think he's pure evil, you're on his side (which sounds an awful lot like W's "with us, or with the terrorists" thing).
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It is hard to believe that anyone could reach the highest office without at least average intelligence, but I think it's possible. After all, who could be easier to control than a fool?
"George, you have to do this for the good of the country. You don't want to look weak, do you? You don't want to lose the war, do you? God wants you to do this, even if it means curtailing a few civil rights here and there."
I imagine Dick Cheney whispering in his ear, but who knows who's really behind this train wreck of an administration.
I thought George Sr. was a crappy President. Now he looks like freakin' George Washington (the nice one from the history books of the 50's).
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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Dubya is not president on his own merits.
There's huge political machine that put him there. 90,000 voters de-registered in FL - did BUSH do that ?. And that machine worked mightily to keep the curtain drawn to keep the image up. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE .... screen. Now that he's a liability, and well, he can't run again, they're letting the curtain slip while they prep the next figurehead. Who by that time will look awesome compared to how Georgie looks as himself.
As to those who say it's the podium, or the microphone that suck the intelligence right out'a him - by god, he's seems pretty normal in real life - that's what sociopaths DO. They play the people around them. It's just harder to play a camera in an unscripted moment - you get no cues from your surroundings on how to pitch your persona.
Not only is Georgie stupid, he's evil. But he's also completely disposable.
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a. Bush's linguistic bumblings by themselves are not nitpick worthy
b. Bush is not a conservative.
c. Anyone who thought Bush 41 was a terrible president but didn't think Clinton was just wasn't paying attention.
d. Bush is the MKUltra sex slave of Dick Cheney, programmed to murder JonBenet Ramsey in preparation for invading Iraq in order to convert Iraqi Children into oil.
e. There is no God but Oil, and my money is its profit.
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Lets parse this...
Quote:Why not both? I read (from insiders) that Bush listens to Cabinet-level meetings in a doughnut state... you know, kind of glazed. That he almost never asks questions unless it has something to do with the invasion/ occupation of some Middle East country (used to be Iraq, now it's Iran) and never, but NEVER makes a "decision" without first consulting with Cheney in private. Heck, he couldn't even appear before the 9-11 Commission w/o Cheney holding his hand, or debate without box on his back and a bud in his ear. Now THAT'S stupid!
Nah, there are a lot of Bush detractors. (And I don't really think you're Kane, btw). I am a newly converted Bush detractor, my-own-self (mmm, Firefly-lingo goodness). But I'm not one of the Bush detractors that actually think he's an imbecile--just seriously misguided.
In several recent appearances he appeared either drunk or drugged.
In addition, he's apparently a private tyrant who flies into rages with staff and the less-favored appointees. His "humorous" imitation of a comdemned woman begging for her life shocked the witnesses. It's apparent to anyone who watches Bush over time that he's only animated and fluent about death and pain - once he gets off the topic of "dead or alive" and tries to talk about freedom, compassion, justice, or love the juice apparently stops flowing and his tongue gets all twisty. I mean this quite seriously- the info is out there for anyone who digs just a millimeter below the surface. There are very good reasons- not just slips of the tongue - to believe that Bush is both impaired and a sociopath.
Quote:There are many people I disagree with, and a few of those I think really are evil. Bush is evil. But he's not smart enough to be the architect of all of this madness.... he's actually Cheney's sock puppet. I reserve the title "devil incarnate" for Cheney. Bush is one of those hapless cartoon-style minions who just can't help tripping over his own feet (or in this case tongue) once in a while and messing up his master's plans.
I don't feel that I have to believe that he's the devil incarnate just to disagree with him, and it seems like some people think that if you don't think he's pure evil, you're on his side (which sounds an awful lot like W's "with us, or with the terrorists" thing).
I know it's is hard to accept the idea that evil people have taken over the WH, but this Administration has deliberately done everything possible to f*ck over the average American... from tampering with elections to reducing VA benefits to starting a war that requries lots of hapless cannon-fodder to rewriting bankruptcy law (which BTW contains no exceptions for military service, illness or theft)
Quote:to shoveling money at the pharmas thru their so-called Medicare drug program and givein more money to the wealthy through tax breaks. I could name about 20 other very specific examples about how you, an average guy, got screwed over and over again over the past 6 years.
Here are some of the amendments rejected by the House Judiciary Committee at yesterday’s markup of S.256:
- An amendment by John Conyers (D-MI) protecting military personnel from predatory payday lenders;
- An amendment by Mel Watt (D-NC) exempting tuition costs from the expense calculation in the means test;
- An amendment by Adam Schiff (D-CA) protecting people whose bankruptcy is due to identity theft;- - An amendment by Howard Berman (D-CA) protecting bankruptcy filers who file due to medical crises;
NO administration can rack up that kind of record unless they're monsters at their core, seeing the average American as a resource to squeeze and squeeze for the benefit of the wealthy. Or, as Bush said at a fund-raiser: "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Gosh, I really don't think Bush is an idiot, but he does play one on TV.
I would argue that just because a person is not intellecually curious does not necessarily mean he is dimwitted; he might just not give a sh*t. This is often the case with fundamentalists of all kinds. Bush has his world view and he's not gonna' let a little thing like the facts get in his way. I would also argue that the Republican party in no way has a monopoly on this little character flaw.
If you look at the policies of Bush and his administration, they have been (in my opinion) very deliberate and with knowledge of consequence (malice and forethought). To me, this demonstrates some measure of intelligence.
With the exception of growing the federal government at rate unseen since FDR, everything this adminstration has done has been in the Republican playbook for a long, long, time (taxes, curbing civil rights, war with Iraq, increasing corporate welfare).
That's what I find so amazing. It's not like Bush lied about his intentions. A literate child could have looked them up. And while I agree he stole the 2000 election (Thanks "seperation of church and state is a lie" Kathy Harris!), the American people elected him in 2004. And now we have the government we deserve.
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Originally posted by rue:
And once again the humourless respond.
That's not fair Rue. I thought my original post had a modicum of humor. I guess you are of the opinion that you are either for or against the President. Now where have I heard that before?
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I read (from insiders) that Bush listens to Cabinet-level meetings in a doughnut state... you know, kind of glazed. That he almost never asks questions unless it has something to do with the invasion/ occupation of some Middle East country (used to be Iraq, now it's Iran).
So after a term and a half the President is starting to mail it in. Possibly lazy, but evil?
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and never, but NEVER makes a "decision" without first consulting with Cheney in private. Heck, he couldn't even appear before the 9-11 Commission w/o Cheney holding his hand, or debate without box on his back and a bud in his ear. Now THAT'S stupid!
So the President consults with the Vice-President, how dastardly of him. I bet they sit around and laugh as they twirl their moustaches.
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In several recent appearances he appeared either drunk or drugged.
He's evil, inebriated, and stupid. Gotta love that whole freedom of speech thing. Better get it in before Bush, I mean Cheney takes away that right too.
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I mean this quite seriously- the info is out there for anyone who digs just a millimeter below the surface. There are very good reasons- not just slips of the tongue - to believe that Bush is both impaired and a sociopath.
Just curious, what kind of libel laws do you have in the states?
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There are many people I disagree with, and a few of those I think really are evil.
I disagree with you quite a bit, does that make me evil?
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Bush is evil. But he's not smart enough to be the architect of all of this madness.... he's actually Cheney's sock puppet. I reserve the title "devil incarnate" for Cheney. Bush is one of those hapless cartoon-style minions who just can't help tripping over his own feet (or in this case tongue) once in a while and messing up his master's plans.
If the occasion ever arises I must remember not to shake Cheney's hand. Don't know where it's been.
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I know it's is hard to accept the idea that evil people have taken over the WH, but this Administration has deliberately done everything possible to f*ck over the average American... from tampering with elections to reducing VA benefits to starting a war that requries lots of hapless cannon-fodder to rewriting bankruptcy law (which BTW contains no exceptions for military service, illness or theft)
to shoveling money at the pharmas thru their so-called Medicare drug program and givein more money to the wealthy through tax breaks. I could name about 20 other very specific examples about how you, an average guy, got screwed over and over again over the past 6 years.
So you disagree with the policies of the present administration. That makes them evil? When did you become the nation's moral compass?
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NO administration can rack up that kind of record unless they're monsters at their core, seeing the average American as a resource to squeeze and squeeze for the benefit of the wealthy.
Perhaps enough of your fellow Americans will start to feel the way you do and the balance of power will shift.
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Or, as Bush said at a fund-raiser: "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."
Quite savvy of Bush, don't ya think. So you are now lambasting Bush for being a Republican, and of course all Republicans are evil.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by Causal:Quote:
Originally posted by Phoenixship:
All Bush has to do is say what his master bids him to. How hard is that?
I can not believe that we are still having this discussion. If a man cannot speak properly and clearly on the spur of the moment, he's just not a good public speaker. If a man cannot read words placed in front of him, word's he's no doubt rehearsed, he's a frickin MORON. He simply does not clearly understand the underlying meaning of what he is saying.
Certain people support Bush for various reasons - he's pro-life, he's conservative, etc., and that's perfectly reasonable. But how can we still be arguing about whether or not he's an idiot? Give up the battle.
The President of America is stupid.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
Oh, my goodness! Could it be that another of River/Shadowfly/Kane's alter ego's has surfaced?
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