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POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, September 1, 2006 00:38
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I don't think Bush was responcible for this, he's pro-life for crying out loud, he would never, in a million years, come up with legislation like this.
Then you'd be wrong.( shocker there, eh? ) Bush WAS responsible for this, and there's no denying it. Stem Cell research has NOTHING to do w/ being 'pro-life'. Only EMBRYONIC , and all Bush did was limit what the Fed could do in regards to funding He STILL didn't ban any research. That's the small nail which has you hung up on the issue. Bush DID fund research for Stem Cell research. Not Clinton. Get it ?
Be a man, for once, and admit this was ALL Bush.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Herbal side effects are never anywhere near as bad, the ingrediants are in much more natural proportions and they aren't concentrated.
all generalizations are bad
actually it's that they're less 'side' rather than 'less'
as I said, Kava blocks adrenalin. up to 100% That's a wholy moly of an effect, but it can also kill you.
Rue,
No I didn't get the messages. Where to PMs land when you send them?
Acetosalicylic acid is a natural complace salt. Vioxx is an artifically synthesized analog. True, human ignorance doesn't make something more dangerous. Anything can harm humans, if taken incorrectly, or without moderation. But I suspect the harmfulness of aspirin has been exaggerated by companies that want to sell you something else.
On the surface it's not that dissimilar from vioxx, which is in the same category, but the key IMHO is the naturalness.
Natural compounds are ones which we evolved in the company of, and interact with our system in a more natural way. Can one synthesize a better drug? sure, it's possible, it's just not likely. There are so many unknowns in the system, and the interaction of natural compounds are more likely to have some sort of stablizing effect in the body which prevents them from causing sudden death. With a synthesized compound, there are unpredictable effects that your body has not evolved to handle.
You're descended from mice who may, and probably did, gnaw on willow bark and similar forest debris. But nothing in your evolutionary past popped vioxx.
A host of unknowns occur like "maybe cox1 and cox2 have to exists in the system in a balance." It's entirely possible. There's no way of knowing, except an exceedingly long case study. Aspirin has been through that exceedingly long time of use, and it's known to be an anticoagulant, and an acid. These cause the effects we see, and so we need to bear that in mind, and take it in moderation. We're descended from mice who gnawed on willow bark, not mice who ate whole willow trees.
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DT
DANG! I used the site's msg'ing. I don't know where they went, then. And I trashed my text files so I can't get them back. Anyway, I DID appreciate your message to me. I may not always agree with you, but I do sincerely want to hear what you think.
Rue
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Auraptor,
This debate is not about what this debate pretends to be about. It's about Merck getting control of the stem cell industry.
Bush had little to do with Stem Cell legislation, it was foisted on him by his own party. A sitting president cannot veto his own parties legislation.
The only time I know of this happening was when John Tyler was president. He vetoed the national bank bill, and the Whigs kicked him out of the party.
Then Bush Vetoed the all-Republican Stem Cell bill, just now. I think that kicking Bush out of the GOP would be a terrific move. It would prove that sanity was still in charge.
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HEY DICK-WHACK
Stem cells only go back to 1998.
GET IT ? Should I repeat that for you?
Stem cells only go back to 1998.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/july-dec98/cells_11-6.html
Nov. 6, 1998
"After more than a decade of work, researchers said today they have isolated and grown basic human stem cells."
By 1999 there was a REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL ban on embryonic research to prevent stem cell work
Section 511 of the Labor/HHS appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 1999, enacted as part of Public Law 105-277, the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 1999.
However Varmus, head of the NIH appointed by CLINTON APPROVED federal funding for embryonic as well as other stem cell research.
Statement of Harold Varmus, M.D., Director of the National Institutes of Health Before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and Related Agencies, January 26, 1999. APPROVING federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
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BUSH's ROLE - obstruct, oppose, and try to take credit.
YOUR ROLE - being an ignorant sh-t-spewing a--hole
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Bush DID fund research for Stem Cell research. Not Clinton. Get it ?
Be a man, for once, and admit this was ALL Bush.
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Then Bush Vetoed the all-Republican Stem Cell bill, just now. I think that kicking Bush out of the GOP would be a terrific move. It would prove that sanity was still in charge.
Ok. Fair enough. Bush won't run on any GOP ticket in '08. Good for the GOP.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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rue, your selective reading of your own post makes you a moron. Sorry.
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Stem cells only go back to 1998.
Should I repeat that since for you?
Stem cells only go back to 1998.
No, brain donor, stem cells go back to before the origins of life. That's BILLIONS of your Earth years. OUR STUDYING of stem cells is some what more recent.
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By 1999 there REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL ban on embryonic research
That's FEDERAL funding, not private funding. Pin head. Bush went on to FUND stem cell research. Clinton never did.
Grow the fuck up, punk.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Rue,
Dick Wack is not a diplomatic term.
I had a conversation with a physician about stem cell research, by that name, in 1978.
Auraptor,
I'm quite serious. The independent president Bush. It would be a healthy move. And not meaningly. It would mean that GOP senators would not have to support Bush unquestioningly because Bush would no longer hold the purse strings.
My mom still thinks Bush is going to run in '08
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Double Post
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Triple post. For the record, there's nine minutes there, so the server is kicking around.
BTW,
Grow the f^&k up, pin head, and moron also lack diplomatic appeal.
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