Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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Antimason,
9-11 official story doesn't work on about 100 different points. I find there's no point with even arguing with these apologists, they're right up there with holocaust deniers in the level of malicious misinformation they tout. They also sort of remind me of those trekkies who explain away the logical and technological inconsistancies so the writers don't have to do it.
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Originally posted by rue:
Anything. I demand the US join the ICC. I demand the US coordinate its policing with its European allies (who've been at this a lot longer).
They've been at it alot longer because they are so ineffective.
Lets look at Lebanon for example. The UN urges...urges Lebanon disarm and deploys Peacekeepers to assist and by assist they mean do nothing as Iran and Syria ships ten thousand missiles to Hezbollah which then drives by the local UN outpost (waving) on their way across the border (and under the cover of a missile attack on an Isreali village) to kidnap Isreali soldiers. Then...time's up and they get ready to leave in the middle of a war they were put there to prevent. Then a ceasefire that aggrees to disarm Hezbollah...I mean urges them to disarm...again, maybe, they need to read it one more time to be sure...and sends 15,000 peacekeeper mostly French...I mean 10 officers and 200 unarmed French engineers to sit around and watch while Syria and Iran ship ten thousand new missiles to Hezbollah who, in a day, a week or perhaps a few months will drive by the UN outpost (waving) on their way across the border to capture or kill more Isreali soldiers. So I guess the answer to the original question is that you folk are as gullible as they come.
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Zero,
WTF are you babbling about? Are you hallucinating again? You're not even close to what I was saying ... 
This is what I was talking about. The Brits had the 'suspects' under police surveillance for nearly a year. They must be pretty good. Don't you think that if the British police have such good intelligence and capability that it would behove the US to cooperate with them? Another example: the Germans were suspicious of money transfers involving the supposed 9/11 hijackers. Don't you think that kind of information, if shared, would have been useful to the US?
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Oh? Then what were we doing in Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia in 1950? 1960? 1970? 1980? Please go read up on it and tell me.
Gee. Hmm..what do all those nations have in common? Could it be....OIL? We weren't doing anything in those nations that every other modernized nation in the West wasn't doing. Building those Mid-East nations an entire infrastructure so they could pump oil and sell is to everyone on the planet. With out the West, that wouldn't have happened. You seem to be from the camp which thinks that " no blood for oil " is a nice little foreign policy that fits on a bumper sticker. But the hard fact of the matter is, Oil IS important, not just to those who USE it, but to the nations that PRODUCE it.
Now, never mind that fact that those nations eventaully stole all the materials and equipment from the companies which spent so much time and effort. But they had to have someone who knew how to work the machinery , so it all worked out. Sorta.
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'll bet you supported Israel's invasion of Lebanon, which had the predicted effect of pissing off a lot of Lebanese and increasing Hezbollah's influence. And given what I've just said about the populations of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon reacting in predicabtly nationalistic ways to interference and invasion, what do you think would happen if we were to bomb Iran? Are we trying to line up everyone in the Middle East against us?
Yep, I was completely for Israel protecting itself from the terrorist attacks of Hezbollah. Too bad they stopped before they accomplished their goal. Sadly, the Liberal leaders of Israel were swayed by the phony, biased news reporting out of Lebanon. Look for Act 2 to start production soon enough.
Who is going to bomb Iran? 'We' ?? Sorry, you really have me lost now.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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antimason wrote:
Thursday, August 17, 2006 09:23
Aurapter- i find the "pancake theory" a real stretch; i understand its believed that the temperatures from the Jet fuel melted hundreds of thousands of welds and trusses, simultaneously, to allow a perfectly level free fall of the proceeding floors, but its a mathematical improbability..especially to happen on both buildings as it did.
A 767 rams into a building and turns the impact site into what amounts to a kiln. There doesn't NEED to be a melting of " hundreds of thousands of welds and strusses, simultaneously,...blah blah blah " The outside of the WTC, unlike other sky scrapers, acts as a support structure in place of the walls and beams in the interior of the building which is so common in other designs. At the point of impact, from where the hottest temps were found , and at where the weight of the planes rested, THAT is the focal point of the structure failure. Remember... both towers were like steel tubes ? The collaps didn't have to occur as you described, because the exteriors of the buildings were essentialy in tact. Much like what happens when a screen door is punctured. There's a hole, sure, but the rest of the screen stays pretty much in the same place.
Quote:That's what Firemen do ? And possibly, they assumed the building's sprinkler system of be of some use. It wasn't. Also, no one had a clue as to how bad it was up there. Not at first. The firemen went up to fight the fire but also get people OUT
why did the firemen claim they could put the fires out?
Quote:Don't know of any 'gag orders',sounds like great internet tripe to me. But when major stress fractures occur, like in large buildings, there will be what sounds like explosions. Unless you think the TITANIC was also destroyed in like fashion. Survivors in the boats there also said they heard 'explosions', as the metal creaked and pushed to the limits, before finally breaking.
what about the explosions that they heard, which brought gag orders against them?
I'm guessing you're no architect, huh?
Quote:The evidence would suggest otherwise, for the reasons explained above.
i realize a plane hit each building, but Jet fuel does not melt and pulvarize and entire building, and bring it down next to free fall speeds, perfectly into its base! it just doesnt happen like that.
Quote:Sorry, but you've not proven your case. Your ignorance of physics and the structural qualities of the WTC 1 and 2 don't in any way amount to a hill of beans on this matter.
especially when so many other pieces of the governments story is suspect. do you honostly believe American elements had nothing at all to do with this?
And as for the 'demolition' angle, you've overlooked one last crucial element. In every demolition I've witnessed, there's always is a flash of light as each detonation goes off. Or a puff of smoke.... SOMETHING! But I dare you to find a sequential pattern , from top to bottom in any of the videos showing the WTC towers fall.
You can't do it, because there were no 'bombs' perfectly set to drop the building as you claim.
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Quote:Rap, why do you bother to answer? Not only don't you know what you're talking about, you won't even bother to google up simple facts before you post. How do you expect us to take you seriously?
Gee. Hmm..what do all those nations have in common? Could it be....OIL? We weren't doing anything in those nations that every other modernized nation in the West wasn't doing.
Quote:www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/hrj/iss17/booknotes-All.shtml
Any analysis of America’s position in the Middle East would be incomplete without a thorough understanding of the U.S. role in overthrowing Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, the democratically elected and revered Prime Minister
Or, try reading this, which details decades of interference, provocation, and assasination plots involving Egypt and Syria.
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zepezauer_Mark/Egypt_Boomerang.html
But, I'll but you won't read any of it, because your world view is so shaky it can't stand a few fdacts.
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Sorry Sig, but I don't intermix facts w/ kooky, Michael Moore type conspiracy nonsense.
You can't deny anything I said, but you're more than willing to direct me to the holy internet to back up your so called 'facts', eh?
Nice try. Game over.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Eh? HARVARD law school is a kooky conspiracy site??? Heck even the CIA admits to overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953!
And FYI I grabbed Third-World Traveler because it has everything all nicely summarized. But the facts can be verified individually using... yep, google. You should try using it sometime. You might learn something (snicker).
So, I'm going to reiterate- we've been messing around in the Mideast since whenever. No wonder the folks there are a might tetchy.
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So, I'm going to reiterate- we've been messing around in the Mideast since whenever. No wonder the folks there are a might tetchy
You seemingly missed my post where I admitted our interest in the region, but that it wasn't any more , and in fact far LESS than that of other Western European countries. Oh, and then there's Russsia, who blatently tried to annex a path to the Arabian Sea.
Funny, but wasn't it England who controled the lands of Israel and Iraq? Why the HELL aren't they doing mnore to solve these problems? After all, it was they who started all this mess. A bit of gratitude is due for the USA, in trying to clean up the mess that other's left behind.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by rue:
WTF are you babbling about? Are you hallucinating again? You're not even close to what I was saying ...
You said we should coordinate with our allies, I pointed out the fallacy of relying on international action.
Here I'll make it simple.
You: We join world to solve world problems.
Me: We sit around till hell freezes over waiting for world to show up.
H
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