Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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And here's the end goal anyway, same as it always is.
Chertoff says U.S. needs more authority
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060814/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/chertoff_terror_
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Golly gee, show of hands, how many didn't see that one coming a week ago ?
Did some checkin on ole mikey boy, too...
Why is it that so *many* of these power-hungry warmongers in our gov who are soooo *eager* to get us involved in stupid things, have dual citizenship with a certain country ?
I myself don't actually have a theory on that, but it's damned suspcious looking to me, especially in light of some other things I've pulled up and researched lately for topics in other threads.
My sincerest apologies to some conspiracy folk for doubting some really obvious evidence even a cursory search will root out, how bout sendin me an honorary tinfoil fedora, cause I am beginnin to think you *MIGHT* have a point on something.
-Frem
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Originally posted by rue:
Did you know that there are gates one can walk through - similar to metal detectors - that can sniff explosives? Did you know the US STILL doesn't screen checked baggage - at all?
Um... late is better than never I guess.
Yes there are gates that can sniff explosives. They are still in the testing phase with the TSA because hand lotion will set them off. (there is Nitro in most hand lotions). Some deoderant can also set them off. Same reason. they are a great many things that can set one of those thing off at the moment and the company that makes them are trying to tweek it so that the sensor can be adjusted. Is there not enough complaints ablout shoes having to be removed? Would you like to ride next to some guy for eight hours that did not use deoderant? Would you like people to complain that they cannot moisturize for days before so that they can get on a plane?
As far as the US not screening checked bags. Every bag that is scheduled to go on an airplane gets screened with a device that performs a multitude of tests or they are pardon the term "dump searched" where everything is removed from the bag and is searched and then repacked.
I speak from experiance. I worked for the TSA for 3 years. I opened airports during the Federal Take-over, I screened passengers and baggage, and I trained new hires on procedure.
These people always get a bad rap about doing this job. They always will. Because they are the face that people see when they are searched, not the terrorist who will do them harm. They forget what those men looked like. The Screeners for the TSA never will. It is their job to remember!
kelkhil
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Frem... wha..? Please elucidate.
Kelkhil- Always glad to have someone with boots-on-ground experience. Welcome aboard! BTW- I've always felt sorry for the folks with "shoes" duty.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Frem... wha..? Please elucidate.
Well, I had previously dismissed the concept of a foreign countries espionage and certain friends being all that influential beyond the level of bribing congress via AIPAC, but I have to tell ya, Siggy, some of the hard evidence I've tripped over while checking on Chertoff and some things for another thread has given me one hell of a moment of pause.
Finding out that a lot of our worst pushers for getting involved in downright malicious stupidity possess dual citizenship, a divided loyalty I would have thought unacceptable for an american official in a critical position capable of dictating policy.. on top of finding proof and admittance of that same country's massive history of misdeeds directed specifically at us...
It ain't a smoking gun, but damn it's a sure handful of fresh shell casings, and I am willing to at least acknowledge the possibility that a foreign intelligence agency has been warping OUR government to it's own ends on multiple levels for quite a while now, but only as a possibility until more direct evidence exists.
There's one holy hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence, mind you... enough that I feel ill right now and somewhat stupid for dismissing the idea out of hand, but I want something a little more substantial before I take such a thing as given, cause if it is... nuking would be too good for em.
Pardon me while I go be disgusted with all of humanity for a little while, k ?
-Frem
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Hey Kelkhil:
You're right. I was trusting CBS News for the information. I should remember to always confirm my information.
As to detection systems, there are quite a number of new and very specific ones developed at PNL and other places. However, they haven't gotten beyond the prototype stage as there is no real $$ behind them.
Back to baggage screening, I did get alerted to some gaps through gcn, which led me to look up these:
What the TSA says:
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/screening/checked_baggage.shtm
Behind the scenes, we have fielded sophisticated technology solutions to screen all their luggage as well. We electronically screen millions of bags for explosives and other dangerous items each day at over 7,000 baggage screening locations and at over 450 airports nationwide.
What the GAO says:
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d06869high.pdf
TSA has conducted covert tests (undercover, unannounced) of standard procedures, but has not conducted this testing for alternative screening procedures. TSA cited logistical difficulties in conducting covert tests for alternative screening procedures. TSA cannot identify the percentage of checked baggage screened using standard versus alternative screening procedures because TSA records standard procedures in terms of the number of bags screened in its management information system, but records alternative procedures in terms of the number of occasions and hours of use.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by rue:
What I mean is this:
What is the legal basis for murder laws if not in the Consitution? (since the Constitution only addresses the relationship of Federal government to people)
Thats easy. The Constitution of the various states give the legislatures of those states the power to pass legislation. Some states and more recently, the Federal government, have chosen to specifically enumerate a code of criminal law. This code, among other things, includes various types of murder. Murder is not a protected Constitutional right, so challenges to such laws under the Constitution have not been upheld and thus in most states murder is still a crime.
The Constitution does more then address the government's relationship to the people, it also outlines the basic organizational structure and assigns power to the various parts...including the implied power to outlaw murder.
H
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Originally posted by rue:
Cool. So this is my question - if the Consitution only protects people from the Federal government, and the States can pass whatever laws they like that devolve to them - how can the Supreme Court rule on the Constitutionality of any state law?
That was true until the incorporation doctrine of the 14th Amendment was established. Thats the idea that the 14th Amendment protects a person's rights under the Bill of Rights, regardless of what state they live in. In other words, black people are equal in Mississippi and Ohio.
H
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Ok, now I really DO feel ill.
Every time I kick over a rock at this point, i'm finding the same thing under it.
Michael Chertoff - dual citizenship, on top of which two of his most noteable hires for homeland security were Yevgeni Primakov, formerly of the KGB, and Markus Wolfe, formerly of east german STASI fame, a man so vile he was once refused entry into the uS because he was considered a terrorist.
Paul Wolfowitz - Confirmed straussian, significant connections to Israel, assistant to Senator Henry M Jackson, and longtime associates with Richard Perle and Lewis "scooter" Libbry.. historically worked on cooking intel for George HW Bush as head of CIA as part of "Team B", an effort to get intel that matched what they WANTED to be true, rather than what WAS true, successfully derailing peace efforts and influencing Donald Rumsfeld and Ronald Reagan in particular.
As early as 1977 he was pushing for the US Seizing persian gulf oil fields, and most specifically wanted us to invade Iraq.
He also worked under Dick Cheney directly from 1989-1993 and during that period worked with Lewis "scooter" Libby on the PNAC agenda, and after a brief dissappearance from the political scene because Clinton hated him, came right back to shovelling bullshit intel with the help of the OSP.
And now this monster is in charge of the World Bank ?
Richard Perle - Worked for Senator Henry M Jackson, PNAC member, close associates with Douglas Feith, heavy connections to Israel and fanatic supporter of the Likud party, a man so vile his nickname even to those close to him was "The prince of darkness", caught in 1970 passing classified information to Israel, but pleaded ignorance of the materials classification and nothing came of it, in 1978 Stan Turner, current CIA director, asked Jackson to fire Perle over another, similar leak.
Called on the carpet in 1983 after taking a $50,000 bribe from an Israeli arms company as "Consulting Fees" in exchange for his reccommendation that the Army purchase their weapons system, this is not the first, nor the only time he's been accused and investigated for corruption and conflict of interest, merely the most noteable.
Currently also a director of the Jerusalem Post, an Israeli english-language newspaper.
Lewis "scooter" Libby - Former student and current associate of Paul Wolfowitz, founding member of PNAC, indicted on felony charges related to 'Plamegate' and sent packing from affairs of state, currently awaiting trial, reputed to be an extremely perverse individual.
Douglas Feith - Radical Zionist, formerly employed by Richard Perle, also one of Donald Rumsfelds little crew of "reliable" people, board member of Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and suspected of passing classified information to Israel, which resulted in the revokation of his security clearance, he also stood against certain peace agreements and specifically the ICC as dangerous to american interests, while pushing for the invasion of Iraq, also director of the shit-shovelling factory known as the OSP, or Office of Special Plans, which was the root of much of the flat-lies we were told in order to get us militarily involved in the middle east.
This bastard is also currently under investigation for both the shoveljob that OSP foisted on us, AND deep involvement in the AIPAC espionage issue both for his own suspected actions and because he is the employer of Larry Franklin.
Larry Franklin - Employee of Douglas Feith, Employee of Paul Wolfowitz, convicted of passing classified information to Israel via AIPAC specifically, given an unusually light sentance in respect to the crime in exchange for implicating certain of his co-workers, and fined a mere $10,000
Donald Rumsfeld - Founding member of PNAC, long history of misusing government posts to his own profit or that of corporations he serves on the board of, suspected of chicanery relating to FDA approval of Neurotoxin Aspartame as an artifical sweetener, previous histor
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Frem,
I know this kind of leg-work is taxing. Thanks for digging this up.
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Quote:From that I presume that states passed laws based on English Law and English Common Law.
What is the legal basis for murder laws if not in the Consitution?
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The Constitution does more then address the government's relationship to the people, it also outlines the basic organizational structure and assigns power to the various parts...including the implied power to outlaw murder.
Quote:Despite the Fourteenth Amendment's recognition of federal “privileges and immunities,” and its guarantee of “due process” and “equal protection,” the Supreme Court majority held the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) cannot be enforced against states because the Supreme Court itself never said discrimination against older workers violates the Constitution.
if the Consitution only protects people from the Federal government, and the States can pass whatever laws they like that devolve to them - how can the Supreme Court rule on the Constitutionality of any state law?
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That was true until the incorporation doctrine of the 14th Amendment was established. (Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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