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POSTED BY: fredgiblet
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 14:27
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Quote:First of all, it’s not what we did or are doing. It’s categorically false. Secondly, most propaganda should probably be discounted, or at least evaluated carefully for truthfulness.
Originally posted by citizen:
Though that is probably how they see it. Do we discount it because that's not what we intended?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Good to know Finn. I'll just bring along my "Guide to the BullS**T tongue of a progressive".
But wouldn't that bring on cries of "Racial Profiling, that other diplomatic word? Also, it just may hurt someones feelings. And that is not nice my friend.
*Edit* Sorry second part was about checking people before boarding. When I reread my post, after I sent it, it was hard to follow. I'll do better in the future.
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Quote:But that's how THEY see it. OBL says "They'll attack an oil rich nation!" Then we attack an Oil rich nation. We know we're not doing it to kill the brown person, but they don't know that.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
First of all, it’s not what we did or are doing. It’s categorically false. Secondly, most propaganda should probably be discounted.
And strangly enough saying "Well we can just ignore what they think/feel" doesn't help all that much.
You don't beat Terrorists by blowing them all up, we know we tried, but what would us dumb arse brits know about these things eh?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Maybe, but that’s not a justification to run around calling what we are doing in Iraq or anywhere else “genocide.” That’s nothing more then an excuse to make inflammatory untrue statements.
Originally posted by citizen:
But that's how THEY see it. OBL says "They'll attack an oil rich nation!" Then we attack an Oil rich nation. We know we're not doing it to kill the brown person, but they don't know that.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Well, the pros and the cons.
Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
But wouldn't that bring on cries of "Racial Profiling, that other diplomatic word? Also, it just may hurt someones feelings. And that is not nice my friend.
*Edit* Sorry second part was about checking people before boarding. When I reread my post, after I sent it, it was hard to follow. I'll do better in the future.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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There are many ways to make airplanes that aren't easy to blow up, even if you use the present fuel system. The fuel could be far from the passengers, like in rutan's round the world plane. you could build the compartments out of some strong light substance like titanium aluminum alloy, or amorphous crystal of aluminum.
It's really pretty easy, like making a plane that doesnt' crash, only no one does it because our society is run by neanderthals who either can't think or don't care or both.
Genocidal slaughter, that's what I call it when you kill a couple million people. If it's a rallying cry for the progressives (these guys are far left, right? am I wrong? they're some sort of left.) - then they're more together than I thought. It was Bill Clinton who took the most genocidal stance, cutting off the iraqi's food and medical supplies - but the israeli's have a pretty racist pogram going.
If you don't know, I gather you got the point, I'm somewhat of a reactionary. I think the problem with Bush is that he's too much like Clinton.
Certainly, since I was speaking about how the muslims would view the situation, this is certainly how *they* would view it. And I'm not entirely sure they're wrong. I know the other reasons we're there, and if people want, we can debate those.
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Quote:It's not just Iraq though, the west has been a little bit 'killy' with the middle east for sometime. I'm under no illusions as to who invented the fun game of Kurd gassing.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Maybe, but that’s not a justification to run around calling what we are doing in Iraq or anywhere else “genocide.” That’s nothing more then an excuse to make inflammatory untrue statements.
Besides I don't think DT's got the market cornered on 'untrue inflammatory statements' so far on this thread.
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Quote:Is it anything like building boats that can't sink?
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
It's really pretty easy, like making a plane that doesnt' crash, only no one does it because our society is run by neanderthals who either can't think or don't care or both.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
There are many ways to make airplanes that aren't easy to blow up, even if you use the present fuel system. The fuel could be far from the passengers, like in rutan's round the world plane.
If you're talking about Voyager, the whole plane was a fuel tank, the passengers were surrounded on all sides by fuel.
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you could build the compartments out of some strong light substance like titanium aluminum alloy, or amorphous crystal of aluminum.
Titanium-Aluminum is heavier than Aluminum, heavier materials require more power, more power requires more fuel, more fuel means more (and more vulnerable) fuel tanks.
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It's really pretty easy
And incredibly expensive...
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Genocidal slaughter, that's what I call it when you kill a couple million people.
So then America commited genocide against the Germans and Japanese in WW2? What would have been the result if we hadn't?
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but the israeli's have a pretty racist pogram going.
Israel is racist? If you call being attacked constantly by people of the same race, and killing said people then yes I guess they are racist. But if the Arabs would stop trying te destroy Israel then Israel would have no reason to kill the Arabs.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
There are many ways to make airplanes that aren't easy to blow up, even if you use the present fuel system. The fuel could be far from the passengers, like in rutan's round the world plane. you could build the compartments out of some strong light substance like titanium aluminum alloy, or amorphous crystal of aluminum.
It's really pretty easy, like making a plane that doesnt' crash, only no one does it because our society is run by neanderthals who either can't think or don't care or both.
Genocidal slaughter, that's what I call it when you kill a couple million people. If it's a rallying cry for the progressives (these guys are far left, right? am I wrong? they're some sort of left.) - then they're more together than I thought. It was Bill Clinton who took the most genocidal stance, cutting off the iraqi's food and medical supplies - but the israeli's have a pretty racist pogram going.
If you don't know, I gather you got the point, I'm somewhat of a reactionary. I think the problem with Bush is that he's too much like Clinton.
Certainly, since I was speaking about how the muslims would view the situation, this is certainly how *they* would view it. And I'm not entirely sure they're wrong. I know the other reasons we're there, and if people want, we can debate those.
Who has the trillions of dollars to pay for this? The airlines? The government? Who?
Hey 'Trove, Come closer
*Whispers* Don't tell anyone, but there are millions of Muslims that are happy with the west. Well, its true. But being a reactionary you don't want to hear that do you? And where has there been a couple million people killed? Are you being tongue and cheek and I'm just not getting it. If so silly me.
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