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Quote:Neither am I. Which kind of proves my point. If you want to see real attempts at genocide look at what the Arabs have been doing to themselves for centuries, probably millennia. On the hand, what the West is doing in Iraq, or anywhere else, is categorically not genocide or genocidal, no matter how you try to spin.
Originally posted by citizen:
It's not just Iraq though, the west has been a little bit 'killy' with the middle east for sometime. I'm under no illusions as to who invented the fun game of Kurd gassing.
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Quote:Not really since I was refering to the RAF, last time I checked Britain was a western nation. But since I assume you thought I meant Saddam maybe you could explain to me who sold him those gas canisters?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Neither am I. Which kind of proves my point. If you want to see real attempts at genocide look at what the Arabs have been doing to themselves for centuries, probably millennia. On the hand, what the West is doing in Iraq, or anywhere else, is categorically not genocide or genocidal, no matter how you try to spin.
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
But since I assume you thought I meant Saddam maybe you could explain to me who sold him those gas canisters?
That would be me...but don't tell anyone.
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Quote:Maybe you could explain to me who used them. Because that's the end where the genocide occurs.
Originally posted by citizen:
Not really since I was refering to the RAF, last time I checked Britain was a western nation. But since I assume you thought I meant Saddam maybe you could explain to me who sold him those gas canisters?
And I don’t remember the RAF committing any such acts, in my life time, or since the Geneva Conventions. If you’re talking about acts that took place in World War I, so what? If you go back far enough every nation has committed atrocities of one kind or another. The Italians have the RAF beat, what with the scorching of Carthage and Corinth, the near complete genocide of the Gauls and the subsequent total destruction of every European nation short of Ireland and Germany.
Oh yeah, and they killed Christ.
Those damn Italians!
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Quote:Do me a favour
And I don’t remember the RAF committing any such acts, in my life time, or since the Geneva Conventions. If you’re talking about acts that took place in World War I, so what?
.You people are still harping on about the war of independence; it was two hundred years ago get over it!
And the Jews, man still taking about the holocaust, it was years ago.
The acts to which I refer took place in the 1920's, not during the 1st world war. It's also recent history, as is a lot of western action in the Middle East. If you think things that happened in the 1920's are irrelevant you really don't know very much about people.
Quote:Actually that was the Romans, Romans Italians, not the same people.
The Italians have the RAF beat, what with the scorching of Carthage and Corinth, the near complete genocide of the Gauls and the subsequent total destruction of every European nation short of Ireland and Germany.
Oh yeah, and they killed Christ.
Those damn Italians!
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Quote:You’re right the RAF is a bunch of genocidal bastards.
Originally posted by citizen:
You people are still harping on about the war of independence; it was two hundred years ago get over it!
And the Jews, man still taking about the holocaust, it was years ago.
The acts to which I refer took place in the 1920's, not during the 1st world war. It's also recent history, as is a lot of western action in the Middle East. If you think things that happened in the 1920's are irrelevant you really don't know very much about people.
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Quote:Well if that's your attitude they have absolutly nothing on the US Airforce
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You’re right the RAF is a bunch of genocidal bastards.
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Quote:You’re confused. This is your attitude. You’re the one saying that since the RAF may have attempted genocide in 1920 that this makes the RAF genocidal today.
Originally posted by citizen:
Well if that's your attitude they have absolutly nothing on the US Airforce
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No Finn, but nice attempt at twisting my words.
But since that's the game we're now playing:
You're position is that if we do it it is good, if they do it it is bad.
We are altruistic, they are evil. If we kill a whole lot of people it's for their own good, if they kill a whole lot of people it's because they're genocidal maniacs.
Now we've got the bullshit out of the way maybe we could get to something a bit more usefull, or do you prefer this crap?
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Quote:Nope. Never said anything remotely close to that. What I did say is that what we are doing in the Middle East is categorically not genocide. And that is a true statement. Why didn’t “this crap” end there?
Originally posted by citizen:
You're position is that if we do it it is good, if they do it it is bad.
We are altruistic, they are evil. If we kill a whole lot of people it's for their own good, if they kill a whole lot of people it's because they're genocidal maniacs.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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