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FREDGIBLET

Thursday, August 17, 2006 5:03 PM

Some science about liquid explosives:

http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/

GEEZER

Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:48 PM

...and a bit more, just so you'll know that safe, easy-to-use binaries are out there:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-li
quid.htm

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In order to accommodate the user who needs smaller quantities to do a job, "binary" or "two-part" explosives are available. One popular brand is called Kinepak. As embodied in the commercially available product Kinepak, two individual, nonexplosive components are combined by the user to form a cap sensitive explosive. The first component, referred to as "the liquid" is predominantly nitromethane (NM). The other component, referred to as "the solid" is primarily finely divided ammonium nitrate (AN). The commercial product Kinepak is packaged in several different sizes and shapes of plastic bottles as well as foil pouches (bags) which are intended for various applications. In each case, the solid component container is supplied with an appropriate amount of premeasured liquid in another individual container.

The liquid component of the Kinepak is classified as a "Flammable Liquid" for transportation purposes. The solid component is classified as an "Oxidizer". Although both are considered hazardous materials, neither is defined as an explosive for transportation (U.S. Department of Transportation, DOT regulations) or storage (U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, ATF regulations).

And just for fun, a product link for Kinepak.

http://www.slurryexplosive.com/product/page8.html

p.s. Be sure to check out the tech sheet for Kinepak. Nice pictures of what it looks like and how it's mixed.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

RUE

Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:02 PM

Hi Fredgiblet,

It reminds me of o-chem lab. We had to make dinitro-toluene on our way to making luminol. In order to get the nitration reaction to go we had to heat it, but if we went 2 C too high, we'd get trinitro-toluene - TNT for short. So temperature control is very critical for some reactions. (That was a fun lab.)

Here is an MSDS for nitromethane. It's volatile, toxic, and has an auto-ignition temperature of 35 C (the human body is 37 C). It's one of those compounds that wouldn't get past a scanner-sniffer, should the government ever decide to use them.

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/n5740.htm

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:44 PM

I think there are only two things that work for preventing terrorism:

1. Give people with grievances like muslims (it's not just religious stuff, we killed millions of their people) a public political forum to voice those grievances where it will actually make a difference (and maybe they can convince us to stop genocidally slaughtering them, perhaps in exchange for a consession or two)

2. Make better airplanes, buildings, etc. It's entirely possible to make an aircraft compartmentalized so that a terrorist blows up only himself and his own travelling companions, and not the rest of the passengers, the crew and the craft. It's possible to make buildings that don't fall down when a plane flies into them, oh, wait, we already have that one covered.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:27 PM

There is a third way: annihilate the people with grievances. Messy, but it would work faster than the other ways.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:41 PM

Nah, it doesn't work at all, it creates more greviances which would be held by other people. I'm sure John Sununu, Ralph Nader and Tony Salhoub are unhappy about the bombing of Lebanon.

USBROWNCOAT

Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:16 PM

Does Southwestern chili count? Does in my book.

USBROWNCOAT

Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:29 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think there are only two things that work for preventing terrorism:

1. Give people with grievances like muslims (it's not just religious stuff, we killed millions of their people) a public political forum to voice those grievances where it will actually make a difference (and maybe they can convince us to stop genocidally slaughtering them, perhaps in exchange for a consession or two)

2. Make better airplanes, buildings, etc. It's entirely possible to make an aircraft compartmentalized so that a terrorist blows up only himself and his own travelling companions, and not the rest of the passengers, the crew and the craft. It's possible to make buildings that don't fall down when a plane flies into them, oh, wait, we already have that one covered.

I'm new here, so pardon the interruption. How can you make an airplane safe from explosions? Almost all of the airliners systems(Fuel lines, wires, oxygen, Rutter rigs, etc..)run the length of the fuselage. An explosion in any compartment would surely damage the integrity of these systems. And you can't put 8 inch thick steel reinforced concrete walls on airplanes. They are made from very light material.

As far as your other point, Genocidal slaughter? Only in the minds of people who believe we are there to kill Muslims. It really is a ridiculous term to use, since it can be used to describe the killing in any war. But it's a wonderful rallying cry for progressives. Isn't it? Why use it?

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
I'm new here, so pardon the interruption. How can you make an airplane safe from explosions? Almost all of the airliners systems(Fuel lines, wires, oxygen, Rutter rigs, etc..)run the length of the fuselage. An explosion in any compartment would surely damage the integrity of these systems. And you can't put 8 inch thick steel reinforced concrete walls on airplanes. They are made from very light material.

You can’t. You can’t build a plane that will be safe from an arbitrary explosive device. You can profile the passengers for suspicious behavior and appearance and then interrogate possible likely suspects before permitting the plane to board. Even that is not a guarantee of safety, but it is the closest that you’ll ever get, except the banning of all civilian flight.

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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
As far as your other point, Genocidal slaughter? Only in the minds of people who believe we are there to kill Muslims. It really is a ridiculous term to use, since it can be used to describe the killing in any war. But it's a wonderful rallying cry for progressives. Isn't it? Why use it?

Dreamtrove likes to use “diplomatic” language.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Dreamtrove likes to use “diplomatic” language.

Though that is probably how they see it. Do we discount it because that's not what we intended?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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