Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I think what Hero and Rap can't understand is that we DO understand the threat- we're just not running around messing our pants because of it.
Seriously, five times more people are killed by air pollution- AIR POLLUTION- every year than were killed in the WTC. Ten times or more are killed by automobiles. 30,000 people are killed by guns. And cigarettes - even just secondhand smoke- will do you in more surely than terrorists. I could prolly say the same about Big Macs or food poisoning, except I haven't looked up the stats.
So it's not the possibility of death that troubles Hero and Rap, because there are plenty of risks in our lives, even risks that we didn't "choose" to engage. I think it's the whole idea that some people hate us SO MUCH that they see us as mortal enemy. Facing naked hate just seems to cause an awful lot of sphincter action.
Cheney, Rummy and all the big guys... they're not afraid like that. But they stoke that gut-roiling fear because it serves them well. It is far more to their purpose to pull out the bogeyman once in a while and make sure it plays big in the papers. SEE? WE SAVED YOU ONCE AGAIN!
And somewhere between the relentless fear-mongering and the cynicism that this breeds we have to find our own way to address the very real problem of terrorism.
Folks who try to play the numbers game when comparing deaths from terrorist attacks to accidents, natural causes, or other lose what little credability they may have had. You're displaying, in great selective manner, your moral outrage at the senseless taking of innocent lives via an insane cult of death. Baby seals being clubbed to death for their fur? Lo! We MUST protest! But folks planning to indiscriminantly murder 1000's of civilians for no other reason other than to murder 1000's of civilians..... meh, folks die every day.
It's not 'fear mongering', it's called having a CONSCINCE
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Oh Unwrapped,
Quote:tsk, tsk tsk
Folks who try to play the numbers ... lose what little credability they may have had.
Please find me any kind of quote where SignyM protested clubbing fur seals.
In one fell swoop, you lost all credibility by failing to come up with a coherent sentence.
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Originally posted by rue:
Oh Unwrapped,Quote:tsk, tsk tsk
Folks who try to play the numbers ... lose what little credability they may have had.
Please find me any kind of quote where SignyM protested clubbing fur seals.
In one fell swoop, you lost all credibility by failing to come up with a coherent sentence.
It's an example. Used to display the inconsistancy by which the Left picks its moral outrage of the day. Baby seals being clubbed to death? Dolphins being caught in tuna nets ? Sharks being definned for SOUP?? ALERT THE MEDIA !
Africans hacking each other to death and enslaving each other, Islamo whackos sawing off the heads of little girls on their way to Christian schools, etc... ? *yawn* Turn the page! I wonder what Paris Hilton is going to wear next, who who'll she'll sleep with this weekend.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Unwrapped,
You examples are, uhhmmm, how shall I say this - not very good. At all. In fact they are so scrambled, it's hard to know where to begin. For example, do you think 'liberals' really care about Paris Hilton? Just on the face of it, isn't she everything 'liberals' aren't supposed to like - born privileged and living the life of the idle-rich?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sharks being definned for SOUP??
Shit!
I paid good money for discretion. Now I'm going to have to find a new supplier.
If it wasn't for those meddling kids...
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Originally posted by Frem:
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Ah, there are my boys! I knew someone who dig them up eventually.
I kinda like the support palestine idea. Can we lobby our congress people? Maybe they'll send troops. We could defend Lebanon, too. Lebanon is on record as a US ally. Isn't that what we do when someone invades an ally? We send troops. Like Kuwait. Like Taiwan. Ooops. Hmm. I guess we missed that one. In reality, if we sent troops to israeli occupied territory, they'd just end up as auxiallary backup for the israelis, as the allied peacekeepers in the suez did.
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Originally posted by Auraptor:
Liberal whining
Auraptor, just because democrats are wrong, doesn't make you right. It's a flaw in your logic. Sure. A lot of the liberal arguments don't make sense to me either. But Bush is still a fear monger. just because they say things that don't make sense, doesn't make whatever their opposition says true by default. This is not a game show.
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Quote:AURap, it is so easy to drop the context of any post you like to fuel your nonsensical rants, but you only make yourself look foolish.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Folks who try to play the numbers game when comparing deaths from terrorist attacks to accidents, natural causes, or other lose what little credability they may have had. You're displaying, in great selective manner, your moral outrage at the senseless taking of innocent lives via an insane cult of death. Baby seals being clubbed to death for their fur? Lo! We MUST protest! But folks planning to indiscriminantly murder 1000's of civilians for no other reason other than to murder 1000's of civilians..... meh, folks die every day.
It's not 'fear mongering', it's called having a CONSCINCE
Signy brings the statistics into the argument, not to say that terrorists should be ignored in favor of baby seals, but to refute the bizarre notion held by a whole lot of pseudo-cons like yourself that terrorists are a major threat to our nation and our way of life and therefore must be irradicated from the earth by destroying several Middle Eastern countries. They are in fact, a much lesser threat to American lives than traffic accidents and cigarettes and guns. No one is saying that they should therefore be ignored, ya idget. And unless you are very stupid, or illiterate, you know that perfectly well.
We're saying that starting WWIII to combat them is not only unnecessary but it flat out won't work. I gather that you disagree. Fine. But don't tell me that SignyM cares more about harp seals than human beings.
Your argument is really nothing but a very crude emotional appeal (google "logical fallacy," you might learn something}. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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But Bush is still a fear monger.
How is Bush a fear monger? From my point of view, he's bent over backwards to NOT call things as they really are, all for the sake of Political Correctness. It was only just last week did he finally come out and call the terrorist what they are - Islamo fascists. ( Islamo radicals would have worked too, for those who care )
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Yeah he's good at that.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
In another thread he plays a numbers game with terrorists (IRA vs Hezbollah) then here says
"folks who try to play the numbers game when comparing deaths from terrorist attacks to accidents, natural causes, or other lose what little credability they may have had."
Obviously you don't lose 'credibility' if you play favourites with terrorists.
Then accuses other people of picking and choosing their morals lol!
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Quote:Lol! It just gets better, he's confusing himself with other people now!
( I'll ignroe your petty ad hominems which you use to cover the fact that you have nothing supporting your view )
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Signy brings the statistics into the argument, not to say that terrorists should be ignored in favor of baby seals, but to refute the bizarre notion held by a whole lot of pseudo-cons like yourself that terrorists are a major threat to our nation and our way of life and therefore must be irradicated from the earth by destroying several Middle Eastern countries. They are in fact, a much lesser threat to American lives than traffic accidents and cigarettes and guns.
HK, Signy brought in stats sure enough, but I am right in that comparing the deaths of terrorists attacks and traffic accidents is a logical fallacy itself. And a dangerous one. ( I'll ignroe your petty ad hominems which you use to cover the fact that you have nothing supporting your view ) I suppose you think that attacks on the WTC are nothing more than a nuisance, like your buddy, Kerry ,huh? My very apt analogies are simply used to show the inconsistancy of Lib logic. Sure, baby seals are an issue worthy of public awareness, but far MORE important is the threat of Islamic terrorism, children being raised to hate their fellow human beings and think of the Jews as nothing but animals, women's right being trampled on by an entire cult/religion on a level far exceeding anything we could think of in the West....I find such matters FAR more relevent to my life.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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