Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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Originally posted by citizen:
Flying out to the US in two weeks, I hope they relax the restrictions a bit by then, don't like the idea of an 8 hour flight without anything to do or read.
Did I miss something? When did they restrict reading material?
"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn
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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Did I miss something? When did they restrict reading material?
The only things allowed as carry on:
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Pocket-sized wallets/ purses, plus contents
Passports/ travel tickets
Prescription medicines, not in liquid form unless verified as authentic
Essential medical items, eg diabetic kit
Glasses & sunglasses, no cases
Contact lens holders, no solution
Baby food & milk for those with infants - bottle contents must be tasted by accompanying passenger
Essential sanitary items for infants
Female sanitary items, unboxed
Tissues, unboxed, or handkerchiefs
Keys, but no electric key fobs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4787161.stm
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
oldenglanddry wrote:
Thursday, August 10, 2006 05:19
Another non-existant "plot" by non-existant "terrorists" to blow up Airliners with baby milk has been "foiled" by our magnificent security services.
21 people have been arrested in the UK in connection with the terror plot. I wonder how many of these 21 will actually be charged with an offence.
The Uk's airports are now in a state of utter confusion and chaos because liquid explosives (do such things realy exist?) might be used to blow up planes in mid flight.
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.
Coincidentely, the Isreali offensive into Lebanon has suddenly become un-newsworthy.
Are we realy this stupid?
Are you really this naive and cynical? Just how many times have you seen V for Vendetta ?? Would you prefer the bombs have gone off, and several airliners full of men,women and children be blown to bits and the pieces scattered across the Atlantic like flakes of human flaoved fish food ? But if/when that happens, you'll be quick to BLAME the very same authorities who stopped this attack for not catching the terrorist. And you'd problably blame Bush and Blair for making the terrorist mad enough in the 1st place to even pull such an attack off in the 1st place.
You're pathetic. You really are.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Nice personal insult.
Perhaps you would like to adress the issue now.
The fact is if there ever was a "terror plot" the security sevices had it covered weeks ago. So why did'nt they just take the suspects in to custody quitely and without panicking the people of UK and US?
Get back to me in a month or six weeks time and tell me how many of the 24 people so far arrested have actually been charged with an offence relating to terrorism.
Of course, you will have had plenty of time by then to come up with a "pathetic" apologist theory as to why it is in our best interest to be led around by the nose by our Governments and media.
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Quote:Exactly! What possible use does trumpeting it in the press serve other than to incite hysteria so we won't question too loudly the latest abridgements of our freedoms? (And no, I'm nost suggesting it go unreported, simply that it not take over the front page for weeks at a time. What goes on the front page is a matter of editorial policy.)
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
The fact is if there ever was a "terror plot" the security sevices had it covered weeks ago. So why did'nt they just take the suspects in to custody quitely and without panicking the people of UK and US?
Fer cryin' out loud folks, it's propaganda! Its purpose is to pacify us into submission. AFAIK, we had a color coded threat meter looooong before USA Today put it on the front page. Back in the day, the government didn't make a lot of noise about it so Americans wouldn't panic. Times have changed, and the people in power today obviously want us to panic as much as possible. The only thing a panicked citizenry does for the government is make the people more likely to accept authoritarian interferance; terrified people will choose security over liberty every day of the week. And some of the folks on this board have swollowed the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
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Tell me, for all the bomb shelters and drills...
For all the color-code threat warnings...
For all the paranoia, hysteria, and rights-stealing...
For HUAC and the red scare...
For all of that - exactly how many nuclear missles DID the Soviet Union fire at us ?
Hmm ?
Take your threat level and shove it, and go back to your monica blewhimsky impression on the ghost of Joe McCarthy, cause what you're selling here, ain't nobody buying.
History defeats the argument utterly, without me having to lift a finger.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
-Frem
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Antimason
Maybe so, except they're not the terrorist. Hamas, Hezbollah, and even Al Qaeda, are not terrorist organizations. They may support terrorist organizations.
Al Qaeda is a communication network of an acephalous nature, not dissimilar in design to the internet. It is used by a large terrorist organization called the Mujahideen, which ius what our press usually calls Al Qaeda. The overwhelming majority of westerners get this wrong, or so the muslim press keeps telling me.
Anyway, sure, the Mujahideen undoubtedly buys the 911 conspiracy, but then so do the french, the polish and probably the vanuatans. But for me, the terrorists of 9-11 are here and in saudi arabia.
Auraptor,
1. You're an imbecile.
Neocon is not a code word for jew. Jews represent a minority within the neocon movement. Bush is a neocon, condi, sadly, has become one. Fukyama is one of the founders of neoconservatism. Neocons include people of every race, creed, culture and religion. They are also all collectively wrong. You are one of them because you consistantly support their positions. You can call yourself a libertarian but you aren't one because you never support a libertarian position.
2. You hate America
If you really cared about this country, you'd give a damn who attacked us on 9-11 and do some reason. It took the whackos five years to convince me, and that was with a lot of arguing. Finally they one, and I'm pretty much convinced that at least a *portion* of the real story lies on their side of the fence. But you don't care. You worship Bush and his neocon globalist agenda (only a tiny fraction of which is support for the zionist israeli agenda - saudis get more out of this than israel as do about half a dozen other nations.) You don't question policies which restrict your freedoms and mine, which sell america down the river, and systematically destroy our society and our valued.
3. You a christian crusader consumed by hate
You take the anti-muslim positions whenever the possibility arises, and support anyone who commits genocide against them, even your own political opposition (clinton et al.)
4. Your a hypocrit.
You don't admit to the ideology consistant with the positions you take, you don't support positions consistant with the ideologies you claim.
If I'm wrong, then show me why, because I've read a lot of your posts, and this is the conclusion I'm coming to
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Don't know who this mole is, but sounds as if you're paranoid.
A mole is just someone whose job it is to report if someone in this group suggests, as once happened, that we go blow up a govt. building. It's not a bad thing to have a mole. Mole exist in almost every community, if you had ever been in one before, you would realize this. Moles are also, not the enemy. Many people on this forum have suggest for instane that FInn is a mole because of his position in military intelligence, and though we disagree from time to time, I think Finn's basically a decent guy.
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al Qaeda has never made ANY case for their innocence
You don't even read do you. Bin Laden/Mujahideen have made this case ad nauseam. It's actually in their interests to claim credit. Why would they make the case if it weren't true?
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Quote:Does that mean I'm a mole? I work for the MOD?
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Many people on this forum have suggest for instane that FInn is a mole because of his position in military intelligence, and though we disagree from time to time, I think Finn's basically a decent guy.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Auraptor
ps.
for the record:
In case you missed the part where I said my great grandparents were fried in auschwitz, or when I ranted for twelve pages at pirate news for his use of 'jew' etc. etc. your efforts to paint me as anti-semitic are about as empty as a east indian alcoholic student's claims that my low grading of his work was racism rather than because he didn't do any of the assigned work.
Just because if someone rants against jon stewart it doesn't make them anti-semitic anymore than ranting against steven colbert makes them anti-catholic, or disagreeing with something on mind of mencia makes you anti-mexican, or not laughing at a joke by chris rock makes you anti-black.
I oppose the govt. of israel in it's expansionist agenda, which hardly makes me antisemitic, esp. since it's an anti-semitic agenda, but also if I oppose the govt. of tony blair, that doesn't make me anti british, and if i oppose the govt. of bush or clinton, it doesn't make me anti american.
btw, I never thought you were jewish. I suspect you're a christian. God appointed Bush, and gave you a job in the military industrial complex, and with this new crusade we will finally crush the infadel, and maybe make a little on the side. That's where I think you're coming from.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Take your threat level and shove it, and go back to your monica blewhimsky impression on the ghost of Joe McCarthy, cause what you're selling here, ain't nobody buying.
History defeats the argument utterly, without me having to lift a finger.
Well, that's pretty similar to what people thought about Churchill when he ranted and raved in the House of Commons. First he attacked again and again this chap called "Gandhi", claiming he was a threat to the Empire. Then it was Hitler. People shrugged it off as Winston seeing threats in the shadows that weren't there.
Sometimes there are threats. Granted, I'm more scared of the government than terrorists but that doesn't mean I want the intelligence agencies to give up looking for terrorists.
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