Watch what you wish for!
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Monday, August 14, 2006 04:32
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UM HK
Considering the fact that there are active duty members that post on forums - I think they have a pretty good chance of (A) going OVERTHERE and if they do (B) being beheaded.
So please think before you attempt to insult people with your psuedo logic.
Its all I ask.
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Eric
I think that was a bit uncalled for.
What happened to intelligent discussion? Why must it always lead to personal insults? Do you all just not like being disagreed with, or does the vault of intelligence run out? I should think that you are all intelligent enought to not resort to this sort of thing.
I think it is time for MsG's milk and cookies.
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Citizen
That was good! Where you under GW's bed? Cause I am sure that is what he was thinking!
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Eric
I think that was a bit uncalled for.
What happened to intelligent discussion? Why must it always lead to personal insults? Do you all just not like being disagreed with, or does the vault of intelligence run out? I should think that you are all intelligent enought to not resort to this sort of thing.
I cannot in good conscience call this...individual's first post anything approaching intelligent discussion.
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OK
I see where you are coming from. I just don't think insults get anyone anywhere.
Look at Ann Coulter - or maybe you better not.
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Point of fact:
The Japanese Subway attack was committed by Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese Buddist Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo
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Quote:What in the world? "Psuedo logic?" It's not a matter of logic, it's a dang oversight. FMF, ya know, you're right. You're absolutely right. I was not thinking of our active duty members. I meant no insult to them. At all. The soldiers that post on this board were outside the context of my argument with kaneman.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
UM HK
Considering the fact that there are active duty members that post on forums - I think they have a pretty good chance of (A) going OVERTHERE and if they do (B) being beheaded.
So please think before you attempt to insult people with your psuedo logic.
Its all I ask.
A good friend of mine is in the Air Force. He just got his orders and shipped out last Monday for 7 months in the desert. But my friend and those folks on this board on active duty weren't the ones kaneman was attacking. He was attacking folks like me. When I said "any RWED forum member you can name," the forum members that he would name was implied. That was the context of my remarks.
My argument was focused on people like myself and Signy and Rue and other vocally anti-GWOT folks who specifically won't be going over there. My point was that folks who don't go over there won't be getting beheaded.
The core of kaneman's argument, as I understand it, is that we must do as the administration says, accept every abridgement of our rights, or face Islamo-fascist take over. I disagree.
Does context count for nothing anymore? The whole thrust of kaneman's rant was out of context ravings about what people like me believe based on his willful misunderstanding of our position; about how evil and stupid and naive and dangerous people like me are for not believing that Islamo-fascism is a credible threat to the American way of life. He wasn't talking about soldiers who post on this board and neither was I.
Again, I apologize if anyone got the impression that I was making a comment about any forum posters who are in the military. If any of you are reading this, I'm sorry. The world is in a lot of trouble and we all must make some very difficult decisions. I admire your courage and your faith and your willingness to put yourself at risk for your ideals. And I pray daily for an end to this war and your safe return home.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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They hate us for our freedom?
How about:
"people don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome."
Perhaps if we left these people alone and didn't support oppressive Middle Eastern governments (as long as they keep the oil flowing) they might leave us alone in return.
OBL's main issue was US soldiers in their Holy Land. That and the US's unwavering support of Isreal. It is, after all, American bullets and bombs that are killing the Lebanese and Palestinian people. Even if we don't pull the trigger, we still are somewhat responsible.
Things are rarely black and white. There is often some truth in all sides of an argument.
Lastly, if we had minded our own business and not trained a generation of these people on how to kill in Afghanistan, we might not be in this position.
Good luck to your nephew FMF. Tell him to keep his head down and while they will likely not make it past the switchboard, he will be in my prayers.
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HK well said. I just don't want us to overlook the fact that we have lurkers and some may be "over there".
edit : thank you FellowTraveler!
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Originally posted by DukKati:
They also believe that western countries don't have the stones(balls) or intestinal fortitude(guts)to continue to oppose them. After reading some of the opinions sheared here, it would appear so.
if i may be honost, this kind of comment literally makes my skin crawl. i constantly hear republican talk show hosts beating this same drum, about how Americans are weak in our resolve, and dont have the back bone to stand up for "whats right;"...its all these damn tree hugging liberals who love the terrorists!"
do you understand what your saying? youd rather rush off to fight a war, based solely on the governments word, when youve been given nothing but faulty evidence from day one? 5 years of foreign policy, a several trillion dollar+ deficit, a never ending war on "terror" and the middle east; a permamant decline of civil liberties, along with increased federal control and authority. and do i need to remind you that our borders are WIDE OPEN! with the NAFTA super corridor on the way! 10-20 million illegals a year..so what about these "terrorists"?
you dont believe its because Bushs wonderful policies that we havent been attacked do you, when every known terrorist attack in America of the last 15 years has known(proven) government envolvent? and im not even saying that a legitimate terrorist attack couldnt occur..its just that they are attacking our shadow government and the turmoil its creating.
a policy where we "dont negotiate with terrorists" doesnt exactly leave a door open for dialogue; but it honostly wouldnt make a difference, because our foreign policiy advisors all have the same NWO agenda. i think we need to realize that they dont want peace, and/or our best interests
this whole "cut and run" montra might have some truth, if the context for war was something you could justify; if you can even justify death. but the Iraq war has proven to be anything other then benevolent and selfless; as it is, they are conditioning you, to appeal to your national patriotism, and playing to your fears about an enemy that only exists through their creation.
our constitution forbids foreign entanglements, and especially acts of agression; dont you see glimpses of Nazi germany, when we're told that its "UN-patriotic" for questioning the motives of our government, or "anti-american" for not wanting to rush off to war and murder our agenda into place. obviously, every human being deserves freedom and democracy, but a legitimate one with no alterior motive.
i mean given the history of decietfulness from our own establishment, who really stands to gain from terrorism? we only encroach futher into the Muslim world and remove more American liberties under the guise of security; to be, it would seem our own establishment wins either way.
as others have said, Al-qaeda recieved major American funding, and had Osama listed as a CIA asset until only recently. we can prove he was even visited by CIA officials at a hospital in Dubia in '00, while he was wanted for the USS cole bombing. how are we honostly expected to believe Osama is the big bad boogy-man antichrist of America, when his own FAMILY is a friend of the Bushs?
there so little truth to grasp on to from the government, what are we really basing our decisions from? dont you Bush/war supporters share any of these questions?
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