There is no God.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Our universe collapsed into a point of singularity, although the 'Big Crunch' took Billions of years to play out the final collapse took billionths of a second and the resulting singularity was unstable, causing it to explode, creating the big bang that started our universe.
There is no beginning there is no end, there is no first time through the loop of creation/destruction and there is no last time through. This is both the first iteration and the nth iteration through the loop.
If this sounds strange it is. We live in a universe of physics, causality and linear time but these are emergent properties of our universe, at the point of singularity our universe does not exist, neither does it’s emergent property of time, so the end and the beginning of our physical universe could exist at the same point.
Maybe links like this are why some people hate me but... does that sound Hindu to anyone else? What little I know about Hinduism tells me that that sounds very Hindu.
Of course what I was taught could be wrong, my teachers were far from infalible.
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Whether one is walking to the city or away from the city, one is still on the city road.
Light is the left hand of darkness ...
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There can be no cold without heat. Whether you say that one is the opposite or absence of the other, you can't have one without the other. They are on the same road.
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But reality is not confused by past, present, future; light and dark, hot and cold --- we are.
The path is made by walking on it ....
But the path that cannot be named is not the way.
ramblin' away
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I thought so too. But I was also in awe of the physics.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Our universe collapsed into a point of singularity, although the 'Big Crunch' took Billions of years to play out the final collapse took billionths of a second and the resulting singularity was unstable, causing it to explode, creating the big bang that started our universe.
There is no beginning there is no end, there is no first time through the loop of creation/destruction and there is no last time through. This is both the first iteration and the nth iteration through the loop.
If this sounds strange it is. We live in a universe of physics, causality and linear time but these are emergent properties of our universe, at the point of singularity our universe does not exist, neither does it’s emergent property of time, so the end and the beginning of our physical universe could exist at the same point.
Maybe links like this are why some people hate me but... does that sound Hindu to anyone else? What little I know about Hinduism tells me that that sounds very Hindu.
Of course what I was taught could be wrong, my teachers were far from infalible.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
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But they were not those who asserted that their claims were based on facts. You were. Besides, no one asked you to, "illustrate that God doesn't exist," and to even talk about doing it is to change the subject. You were instead asked to back up your personal claim that, "Atheists back up their claims with scientific facts, not blind faith."
First off, I never said their claims were based on facts, but rather their belief was derived from their faith. Secondly, this thread has largely been devouted to the discussion of whether or not God exists framed within a Christian vs. Atheist context, so I hardly think I was changing the subject; if you had read my comments within the full context of this ongoing discussion you would have realized that. But if your just looking to split hairs, then perhaps I should have said that Atheists back up their claims with scientific evidence.
Now let me say something about scientific theory. Scientific theories are technically speaking theories; however, theories are grounded upon years of scientific evidence and are generally accepted in the scientific community as facts until proven otherwise. The Big Bang Theory, the Theory of Evolution, the Theory of Relativity etc.. Let us take the "Theory of Evolution". Yes it is a theory, but the work being done by geneticists everyday is solidly grounded in the Theory of Evolution. Furthermore, this "theory" is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community as a fact. That said, some evidence for my belief that God does not exist: The Big Bang Theory and the The Theory of Evolution to name a couple. When these are juxtaposed against the creation myths of any religion, I think science does a more than adequate job of disproving them. Since religious texts are supposedly Divinely inspired, I think one could reasonably draw the conclusion that there is not a God, but rather humanity's need, at a particular point in time, to explain the existence of the world and how it came into creation. Additionally, I did say previously that, "science can't prove that God doesn't exist, but Christianity can't prove that he does. If it could, it wouldn't have to be taken on faith." My belief that God does not exist is, for me personally, based upon science even though I cannot conclusively show that God is not real.
Morbid and creepifying I got no problem with, so long as you do it quiet like.
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Originally posted by misbehaven:
First off, I never said their claims were based on facts, but rather their belief was derived from their faith.
I'm sorry, I should never assume that someone uses the same version of the English langauge as is used by me because there are so many versions to go around, when I said the words, "You were," I meant, "You were the one claiming your beliefs were based on facts."
I hope that clears things up at least a little.
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Secondly, this thread has largely been devouted to the discussion of whether or not God exists framed within a Christian vs. Atheist context, so I hardly think I was changing the subject;
You responded to, "state these facts please," in response to your claim of facts with talk about the burden of proof. How does the burden of proof relate to the facts which you claimed existed but did not reveal?
You were the one to bring the facts into the conversation, you were the one to assert there existance, so how does the burden of proof for god have any effect on the stating of the facts in question?
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if you had read my comments within the full context of this ongoing discussion you would have realized that.
I did, twice actually, but the first time was in reverse so it probably doesn't count.
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But if your just looking to split hairs, then perhaps I should have said that Atheists back up their claims with scientific evidence.
I really don't care whether it is evidence or fact, I just want to know which claims they back up in this way and which things, fact or evidence, they use to do so.
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Now let me say something about scientific theory. Scientific theories are technically speaking theories; however, theories are grounded upon years of scientific evidence and are generally accepted in the scientific community as facts until proven otherwise. The Big Bang Theory, the Theory of Evolution, the Theory of Relativity etc.. Let's take the "Theory of Evolution". Yes it's a theory, but the work being done by geneticists everyday is solidly grounded in the Theory of Evolution. Furthermore, this "theory" is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community as a fact.
I really don't see how this relates to the large context of the conversation, the smaller context of my post and your response to it, or the even smaller context of your post. I would like to point out that I believe the theories you mentioned are correct and am well aware that they are fairly solidly backed up, which seems to be your point.
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That said, some evidence for my belief that God doesn't exist: The Big Bang Theory and the The Theory of Evolution to name a couple.
According to the (last) Pope, head of the Catholic Church and most prominent religious figure of any sort on the planet, friend of the Dalai Lama, friend to Jews, friend of many Protastants, and so forth, the Big Bang was the way in which God created the universe and Evolution is more than just a theory, it is the Truth.
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When these are juxtaposed against the creation myths of any religion, I think science does a more than adequate job of disproving them.
That thought is not shared by everyone, could you perhaps explain why you believe that? Also, as I will mention in greater depth in a moment, not all people take creation theories as literal truth.
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Since religious texts are supposedly Divinely inspired, I think one could reasonably draw the conclusion that there's not a God,
There is a jump that I totally fail to understand. Many believe that the creation myths of their respective religions are divinely inspired metaphores, much has been writen about the metaphore of the apple for instance. So that would in essence prove these people right when they say, as divine doctrine, "This is not the litteral truth."
How is proving certain religious people right a reason to reject god?
Of course that's not the real question, you've gone
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CTC is my God.
We are The Forsaken - We aim to burn! and we don't need no stinkin levels!
one of the Forsaken TM
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Yeah and the whole "my eyes are black and I have bad dress sense"
Nope, not even Magdalena can tempt me to that!
We are The Forsaken - We aim to burn! and we don't need no stinkin levels!
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Funny coming from a women with "Dirty laundry"
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Funny coming from a women with "Dirty laundry"
just push the button!
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Kaneman - take you vendetta elsewhere.
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:Quote:
Originally posted by misbehaven:
[B And Atheists back up their claims with scientific facts, not blind faith.
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state these facts please.
One of my fav quotes is by Carl Sagan:
I do not want to believe, I want to KNOW!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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