There is no God.
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RugBug
Quote:Car troubles - beastly.
Well, after a long evening filled with car troubles that spilled into this morning, I've made my way back here.
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the only thing i would add is that in Christianity, the #1 commandment is "love your God above all others, and love your neighbor as yourself. this is the fullfillment of the Law". to me, that leaves absolutely no room for murder, suppression, bigotry, indifference, or any other term that identifies contempt or negligence.
so when i hear that someone who claims to believe in God is breaking this ultimate rule, i feel that they are not accurately representing the word of God, and the natural laws of the universe;rather they are in defiance of God
if Jesus says that the word of God is our sword of protection, that means that through love, reason and logic are we to convert are enemies, not through murder. their are universal truths, such as treat others as you want to be treated(carma), dont have sexual relations with family members, respect your elders etc. many religions share these same truths, because they are divine laws of the universe... and Christianity doesnt have a monopoly on them.
but others, such as love your enemy, and pray for those who persecute you tend to go against Mans natural instincts..and are hardly common sense. Christians believe that this age is not of the Father, but of Satan, and mans nature is fallen, so our instincts must be corrected to understand that reality is an illusion, and that life is a physical test and a stepping stone to eternity. Love is what the world lacks, and love is what religion and spirituality teach as fundemental to peace
to me, God is a force that exists in and above everything in existence; he may not be some old grey bearded guy as the stereotype likes to suggest. but i do believe this force manifested itself, in human form as Jesus, in all his perfection, so that we may know how to relate to such an all-perfect being. the miracles performed by Jesus, which are documented even by first century Jews who denied the guy, and his ressurection, are proof to us that death is not an obstacle, and that there is more to life than what is seen in the physical dimension
if science believes there is something like 11 or whatever possible dimensions, whos to say that this entity that we call God does not exist in the final, all encompassing dimension; which qualifies him(it)as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent? im not sure that can be disproven, so whos to say that such an entity does not exist, given what so many of our ancestors believed unquestionably from personal experiences?
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Quote:Then what was the big "stop comparing western god with eastern religion" thing about when I was doing nothing of the sort?
Originally posted by RugBug:
Citizen: My problem with your talk of opposites was that you said they HAVE to exist together...and then went further to say they had to exist together in the same being. The only conclusion of your statement was that God is both good and evil. I disagree that the opposites must exist together.
My postulate was actually that 'Evil' is 'Good' because it is part of the creative process, without it Good is meaningless, Evil is done to allow good to exist (the light only shines in the darkness). It is only our shallow narrow vision and compartmentalising that can't see that Evil can have a purpose.
This concept isn't all that remote to Christians, God moves in mysterious ways...
Which is why the only conclusion is not that god must be good and evil, that is your conclusion but certainly not the only one.
I'm not saying that god is good and evil, but that good and evil MAYBE OUR inflections on gods actions depending on what those may be because we can't hope to understand them in our shortened singular linear existance.
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If there is no God then there is no Satan.
So if no God then no good.
If no Satan then no bad.
So if no bad and no good then where are we at?
Is it just sick minds that do things to hurt others?
Is it just sick minds that try to help those who have been hurt by the other sick minded people?
Building prisons to keep sick minded people for doing something would be nuts cause why would you put some one in prison for not doing any thing wrong?
If there were a drug invented to help sick minded people we would all be on it and the manufacturer of the drug would be the largest Monopoly in the universe.
Things are not getting better no matter how much you say it is not.
Unless your a person who does nothing. If you do nothing at all then you maybe OK. But sooner or later some sick minded person would think you were worthless and not hire you so then you have to get on welfare and then the sick minded people would think to themselves " Hey that lazy son of a bitch don't do anything and he gets money for nothin' I want to get money for nothin, so I will not work any more ".
Soon the whole Universe would want some thing for nuthin and then the even more sick minded people would start killing the less sick minded and the ones who don't do nothing to get what ever they can of whats left over.
OH CRAP!!!! Now I got a headache.
I've been through the system.
It don't work.
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im not sure that can be disproven, so whos to say that such an entity does not exist, given what so many of our ancestors believed unquestionably from personal experiences?
But, conversely, I'm not sure that can be proven, so who's to say that such an entity does exist? It's all about perception. After all, perception = reality.
I love being an existentialist...
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If there is no God then there is no Satan.
So if no God then no good.
If no Satan then no bad.
This assumes that God is good and Satan is bad, So I'll just ignore that part - and, in fact, the whole rest of the post.
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Originally posted by DukKati:
So if no God then no good.
If no Satan then no bad.
Yeah, I'm not buying this. Not a bit. Sorry DukKati!
Good and bad clearly exist, though definitions may vary widely. The question is whether they are attributed to some divine being(s) or if they are inherent parts of nature, or... *fill in your own theory here*
Rugbug - I like how you think. If more religious people thought like you, the world would be a happier place!
Isn't that the real problem though - no matter what religion or political system we come up with, somebody in the world's gonna screw it up. Best to have systems that allow for that. Checks and balances.
I'm tangenting - it's time to go home!
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Quote:Then what was the big "stop comparing western god with eastern religion" thing about when I was doing nothing of the sort?
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug: I disagree that the opposites must exist together.
My postulate was actually that 'Evil' is 'Good' because it is part of the creative process, without it Good is meaningless, Evil is done to allow good to exist (the light only shines in the darkness). It is only our shallow narrow vision and compartmentalising that can't see that Evil can have a purpose.
Evil cannot be good. Hot cannot be cold. Left cannot be right.
I never said that evil can't have a purpose. Without evil, there is no recognizing good. (Look, we agree on that
) Yes, good can come of evil (the whole crucifixion, for instance.) but that still doesn't make the original evil an act of 'good' God. Evil is a by-product of free will, not a component of God. Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Which is why the only conclusion is not that god must be good and evil, that is your conclusion but certainly not the only one.
Hey now, I don't think that was my conclusion.
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Originally posted by citizen:
I'm not saying that god is good and evil, but that good and evil MAYBE OUR inflections on gods actions depending on what those may be because we can't hope to understand them in our shortened singular linear existance.
My point was that God does not have to be good AND evil. He can be solely good, IMO. This coin only has one side (to use your analogy). It is entirely made up of good. Evil is neither in God nor of him. He doesn't cause evil and it isn't just our labelling an act evil that makes us think it is not of God. Suffering is suffering, not two ways about it. God doesn't cause suffering, but he does allow it.
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Originally posted by RugBug:
Suffering is suffering, not two ways about it. God doesn't cause suffering, but he does allow it.
Dang! Still here...
So, why does God allow suffering? (Not being a smartass, just trying to understand your view!)
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Rugbug - I like how you think. If more religious people thought like you, the world would be a happier place!
Uh, oh. Does that mean I'm a bad Christian?
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Isn't that the real problem though - no matter what religion or political system we come up with, somebody in the world's gonna screw it up. Best to have systems that allow for that. Checks and balances.
True, that.
I'm off to pick up my car. $500 isn't much for a new battery and fuel system flush, right?
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