End Times

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MISSTRESSAHARA

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 6:00 AM

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14083809/site/newsweek/?GT1=8307

So do you believe it?
As a Catholic I'm disgusted with this man and others using todays crises as a means to comtrol everyone out of their money. The only END I can see is this guy walking off with millions, and if Christ were coming I'd think he'd have a better representative than this.

Hope his End Times aren't nicely tied into a bow. Asshole.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 6:21 AM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 7:33 AM

Not a forsaken, just an pissed off Catholic.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

CANTTAKESKY

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:44 PM

He may not represent Christ, but he represents tons of fundamentalist Christians. I don't begrudge him his kooky ideas. What concerns me is his popularity, that there are so many people who don't think he's kooky.

The fundy movement is growing by leaps and bounds. Not just in evangelical Christianity, but also in Catholicism and Islam. What does that say about us as a world? Some folks say it is an emotional attempt to return to immutable personal values in face of overwhelming globalization. I dunno.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

DAYVE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:56 PM

Religion is the opiate of the masses....

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

ROCKETJOCK

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:

Religion is the opiate of the masses....

That quote's always taken out of context. Opium is a pain-killer. Sometimes you need that just to survive...

As for the end times, it always amazes me how people who profess to be Christian don't bother to read their own book...

"Behold, I come as a thief in the night."

If Christ himself refuses to set a timetable for Armageddon, why do mortals insist on demanding one? It's not like it makes a difference; if you actually believe in the resurrection of the flesh before judgement day, then you're going to be there, even if you die a thousand, or a million, years before the event.

Even more amusing, those people who look forward to Ragnarok are always convinced that they'll recognize the returned Jesus when they see him--subconsciously they're convinced that he'll look just like that 3-D portrait that used to hang in Aunt Jenny's kitchen. The day-glo halo will be a complete givaway.

Folks, he wasn't that obvious the first time around!

Always thought it more likely that the kind that want to be on God's side at the Megeddo battlefield will side with the Anti-Christ; after all, he's going to be wearing a pleasing shape, and promising to unite the whole world under one true religion. Sounds like a great deal of Fundamentalist appeal to me...

"I can't wait/Till I hear that sound/I can't wait/for that final battleground/I can't wait/to call out his name/as the world goes up in flames/Whoosh!" -- Celtic Elvis, Robots for Jesus

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:37 PM

What a load of crap! The factions that have friction now have ALWAYS had friction. I can't count the number of times in my lifetime I have heard the WW3 was starting in the middle east.

Dude wants to make money.

one of the Forsaken TM

KANEMAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:47 PM

What's wrong with a christian trying to cash in on the coming Rapture and Tribulation? Christians are Capitalists too! All is equal in the eyes of the great green back.

RUE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 4:00 PM

"After the rapture, can I have your car?"

I can't take credit (notice I said credit, not blame !) for that. I heard it on the radio.

edited to add: I'd like to get that as a bumper-sticker for my car, which, though it gets great gas mileage, looks like a POS.

DAYVE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 4:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RocketJock:
Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:

Religion is the opiate of the masses....

That quote's always taken out of context. Opium is a pain-killer. Sometimes you need that just to survive...

OK… so below is the quote from Marx. I agree it has been taken out of context to the extent that Marx was not condemning religion so much as the effect it has on the population in general.

According to Webster’s, an opiate is “something that numbs the senses or the mind”….
I’m just saying that in my experience, I have found this to be true more often than not.

“Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.”
Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

For Marx, the problem is in the fact that an opiate drug fails to fix a physical injury; it only helps you forget pain and suffering. This may be fine up to a point, but only as long as you are also trying to solve the underlying problems causing the pain. Also, religion does not fix the underlying causes of people’s pain and suffering — instead, it helps them forget why they are suffering and gets them to look forward to an imaginary future when the pain will cease.

ANTIMASON

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:29 AM

let me be the first to warn you guys then, that we are at the End of the Age; and ill give you my reasons why..

first of all, understand this basic premise: if the antichrist is to take power prior to the tribulation, then it stands to reason that subsequent to that period, the mechanisms allowing for his reign must be established, OK?

well i think the best guage we have for determining how close we are, is to comprehend just how successfully this shadow agenda is advancing, among the western elite, to create a New World Order.

at the root of this, is the historical perspective, which is that about 4000+ yrs ago, God chose Isreal as his covenant people, and ordered them to destroy the inhabitants of the land that was promised as their inheritence. these peoples, the Egyptians, Babylonians, Canaanites, were subjects of Gods wrath because they were idolaters; they worshipped Gods created being, the fallen angels, rather than God the creator.

well the symbolism that comes from those cultures is explicitly Satanic, from the All Seeing Eye of Horus(Satan)to the pentagrams and obelisks...

all of which symbols have been adopted my Freemasons, and permanantly affixed to the American landscape. the symbolism on the dollar bill( the Federal reserve note) is in-arguably luciferian to students of the occult. the freemasons, the illuminati, skull and bones..these are all occult, Satanic gnostic groups.

but think about that...Jesus says "money is the root of many evils" and "you cannot serve two masters.. you cannot serve both god and money"; and here we have Satanic symbology directly printed on our currency!

in revelation it says "he also forced everyone, small and great, free and slave, to recieve a mark on his right hand or on his forhead, so that no one could buy or sale, unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the bumber of his name".

the creation of the Fed. by occultists, along with the European central banks, were all in accordance to this anticipated future reign of their messiah, the antichrist.

and 9/11, which was an inside job, provided the pretext to invade the middle east and to fullfill the final objectives of the agenda: to galvanize the American people into supporting a war to create pro-western fascist puppet regimes in the middle east, to initiate a war on terror, wich will grow to encompass any anti-establishment dissidents, and to create escalations of chaos to provoke the final power grab, or the ww3, of which the anti-christ will rise to power from.

without getting into every little detail, here are some helpfull links-

-freemasonry and Satanism
http://cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html

-fallen angels and idol worship
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/enoch5.html

-NWO anti-christ conspiracy
http://www.bible-prophecy.com/nwo-newage.htm

-secret societies and the occult
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

-9/11 prior knowledge/complicity archive
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_new_world_order.html

etc..i urge you to explore the connections yourselves, there is just no comprehending it all otherwise

-

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:22 PM

Excerpted from - http://www.raptureready.com/rap777.html

53 AD
Even before all the books of the Bible were written, there was talk that Christ's return had already taken place. The Thessalonians panicked on Paul, when they heard a rumor that the day of the Lord was at hand, and they had missed the rapture.

500
A Roman priest and theologian in the second and third centuries, predicted Christ would return in A.D. 500, based on the dimensions of Noah's ark.

1000
This year goes down as one of the most pronounced states of hysteria over the return of Christ. All members of society seemed affected by the prediction that Jesus was coming back at the start of the new millennium. There really weren't any of the events required by the Bible transpiring at that time. The magical number 1000 was primarily the sole reason for the expectation. During concluding months of 999 AD, everyone was on their best behavior; worldly goods were sold and given to the poor, swarms of pilgrims headed east to meet the Lord at Jerusalem, buildings went unrepaired, crops were left unplanted, and criminals were set free from jails. The year 999 AD turned into 1000 AD and nothing happened.

1033
This year was sighted as the beginning of the millennium because it marked 1000 years since Christ's crucifixion.

1186
The "Letter of Toledo" warned everyone to hide in the caves and mountains. The world would be destroyed and only a few would be spared.

1420
The Taborites of Czechoslovakia predicted every city would be annihilated by fire. Only five mountain strongholds would be saved.

1524-1526
Muntzer, a leader of German peasants, announced that the return of Christ was near. After he and his men destroyed the high and mighty, the Lord would return. This belief led to an uneven battle with government troops where he was strategically out-numbered. Muntzer claimed to have a vision from God where the Lord promised that He would catch the cannon balls of the enemy in the sleeves of His cloak. The vision turned out to be false when Muntzer and his followers were mowed down by cannon fire.

1534
A repeat of the Muntzer affair occurred a few years late. This time Jan Matthys took over the city of Munster. The City was to be the only one spared destruction. The inhabitants of Munster, chased out by Matthys and his men, regrouped and lay siege to the city. Within a year everyone in the city was dead.

1650-1660
The Fifth Monarchy Men looked for Jesus to establish a theocracy. They took up arms and tried to seize England by force. The movement died when the British monarchy was restored in 1660.

1666
To the citizens of London, 1666 was not a banner year. A bubonic plague outbreak killed 100,000 and the Great Fire of London struck the same year. The world seemed at an end to most Londoners. The fact that the year ended with the Beast's number (666), didn't help matters either.

1809
Mary Bateman, who specialized in fortune telling, had a magic chicken that laid eggs with end time messages on them. One message said that Christ was coming. The uproar she created ended when she was caught forcing an egg into the hen's oviduct by an unannounced visitor. Mary later was hanged for poisoning a wealthy client.

1814
Spiritualist Joanna Southcott made the startling claim that she, by virgin birth, would produce the second Jesus Christ. Her abdomen began to swell and so did the crowds of people around her. The time for the birth came and passed - she died soon after. An autopsy revealed it had been a false pregnancy.

1836
John Wesley wrote that "the time, times and half a time" of Revelation 12:14 were 10581836, "when Christ should come" (apud A. M. Morris, The Prophecies Unveiled, p. 361)

1843-1844
William Miller was the founder of an end-times movement that was so prominent it received its own name-- Millerism. From his studies of the Bible, Miller determined that the second coming would happen sometime between 1843-1844. A spectacular meteor shower in 1833 gave the movement a good push forward. The buildup of a

ALLISA

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:52 PM

Oh Frem that was amazing!!

When The End/Armageddon/the Rapture (or whatever you want to call it) comes...I myself doubt that anyone will be able to prevent/prepare or even so much as blink.

You know what the chain of command is here? Its the chain I go get to beat you with to show you whose in command!

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:

the creation of the Fed. by occultists, along with the European central banks, were all in accordance to this anticipated future reign of their messiah, the antichrist.

Hey PN, is that you in there?

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

HERO

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
They been shelling this line of BS for almost 2000 years now, and I'd lay money that they'll be shelling it for 2000 more.

-Frem

Nice list. I want to remind everyone that however many folk end up predicting the end of the world...they only need to be right once.

I say we start a pool. I'm in for $10 and I want October 5, 2076, at just after 7pm EST (during Jeopardy, which ironically would have featured "The Date the World Will End" as the final Jeopardy answer..."What is today?" being the question AlexBot 2000 would have been looking for).

H

ANTIMASON

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:30 PM

well, the final generation, at the End of the Age, could not have existed prior to 1947 when Isreal became a nation again. thats for starters

secondly, the Temple Mount must be rebuild, in order for the anti-christ to resume sacrifices. the Temples design and blue prints are already drawn out, and are waiting to be retrofitted into place!

Jesus says that many will come in his name claiming to be Christ, but not to believe them, they are decieving you, for his coming will be known worldwide, as you will be transformed the moment Christ returns

it says know one knows the day or hour, yet he gives the parable of the fig tree, where you shall know that the time is near

many occultists, like Manly Hall, predicted that 3 world wars must take place before the appearance of anti-christ. we've had the first 2, and the 3rd one is being engineered as we speak

we are closer now than ever to a global currency, and only now do we have the technology to prohibit everyone on earth, from buying or selling without a mark!

and according to Daniel, it appears as though Persia, or Iran, is envolved in the war against Isreal, prior to antichrist...and we have this exact scenario being played out currently.

so be prepared, and realize that the New World Order agenda is real, that it is being orchestrated by Satanic occultists, who also created 9/11, and that most western governments will come under control of anti-christ unless we wake up to realize that this world belongs to the prince of darkness, and he is conditioning it to accept his appearance

first of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. they will say "where is this coming he promised? ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation". but they deliberately forget that long ago, by Gods words, the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water by water. by these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungoldly men."

CITIZEN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
so be prepared, and realize that the New World Order agenda is real, that it is being orchestrated by Satanic occultists, who also created 9/11, and that most western governments will come under control of anti-christ unless we wake up to realize that this world belongs to the prince of darkness, and he is conditioning it to accept his appearance

Except if it happens it happens, then there's that big battle between good and evil and good will out and yadda yadda yadda.

By compelling us to wake up you are interfering with gods plan, and we know who it is that interferes with gods plans...

The Anti-Christ will make his work through the Fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims any other flavour of fundamentalist. The anti-Christ’s happy little minions aren't going to sacrifice themselves for its coming, that's what funde fanatics do, better to turn up in a pleasing form and say to the fundes "go out a kill 'em all". Don't tell me that's not old hoof foots modus operandi.

Besides why would the devil corrupt and work through the Satanists, it's GOT them. It wants the souls it hasn't got no?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KANEMAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 8:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
well, the final generation, at the End of the Age, could not have existed prior to 1947 when Isreal became a nation again. thats for starters

secondly, the Temple Mount must be rebuild, in order for the anti-christ to resume sacrifices. the Temples design and blue prints are already drawn out, and are waiting to be retrofitted into place!

Jesus says that many will come in his name claiming to be Christ, but not to believe them, they are decieving you, for his coming will be known worldwide, as you will be transformed the moment Christ returns

it says know one knows the day or hour, yet he gives the parable of the fig tree, where you shall know that the time is near

many occultists, like Albert Hall, predicted that 3 world wars must take place before the appearance of anti-christ. we've had the first 2, and the 3rd one is being engineered as we speak

we are closer now than ever to a global currency, and only now do we have the technology to prohibit everyone on earth, from buying or selling without a mark!

and according to Daniel, it appears as though Persia, or Iran, is envolved in the war against Isreal, prior to antichrist...and we have this exact scenario being played out currently.

so be prepared, and realize that the New World Order agenda is real, that it is being orchestrated by Satanic occultists, who also created 9/11, and that most western governments will come under control of anti-christ unless we wake up to realize that this world belongs to the prince of darkness, and he is conditioning it to accept his appearance

first of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. they will say "where is this coming he promised? ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation". but they deliberately forget that long ago, by Gods words, the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water by water. by these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungoldly men."

Antimason, Do you really believe this crap. Next your going to start spewing about bible code and such. Let me guess the Da Vinci code isn't just a book. Happen to know for a fact many Skull and Bones members are anything but satanic. Could actually be classified as religious fanatics. And why the fuss anyway? If it happens it happens. Why is it always Christians who fret about it? Relax if they are right they won't be here for the seven years of hell on earth anyway, will be floating around the clouds drinking lemonade with Jesus. And is it true that the word Antichrist is used twice in the bible. And it's in lesser known books written around 100ad...Long after Jesus was gone. And why is it the Apostles that were closest to the big guy don't write about it? And, when he returns, what is it exactly am I going to be transformed into? I hope its a Twinkie

Hero, I'm in for $10..I choose tomorrow.

ALLISA

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:17 PM

ok guys....are you true Firefly fans? then as River stated in Jaynetown...you might agree that....the Bible is broken..she did however manage to quantify many aspects of said scripture....while others "don't make sense"

As my great grandmother told me years ago (years and years and years ago, when I was young)....the Bible is a beautiful piece of poetry...full of moral lessons we must all learn...but not something to be taken literally or in the present tense....

If you stand the "lessons" or "commandments" in the Bible next to any "other cultures lesson" ie: Aesops Fables etc...you'll see that the point of the Bible (or any religous text) is to establish order amongst a populace, to promote morality and conscience. A GOOD thing...its only men who muck up the message.

IE: Religion is the message of men...spirituality is the lesson of God

[img][/img] You know what the chain of command is here? Its the chain I go get to beat you with to show you whose in command!

ECGORDON

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
Religion is the opiate of the masses...

I've always preferred Heinlein's quote:
"One man's religion is another man's belly laugh."

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

ANTIMASON

Friday, August 4, 2006 4:55 AM

you all can believe that the Bible is a clever fairy tell all you want; im sorry you feel that way. unfortunately, the Bible is an obstacle, like the constitution, for a global totalitarian government...so if it was created to control the masses, they did a crappy job! why not tell us that Jesus wants a global government, or that money is a fruit of our labor; why take the opposite stance?

i really dont want to get into my defense of the Bible, the prophecies that have literally been fullfilled, etc..because it is incredibly time consuming.

but as Jesus said, "he who has an ear, let him hear"

the antiChrist, the man of lawlessness, the beast, call him whatever you want, he exists in both the new and old testaments. so this is not a later addition invented for dramatic reasons

i will say this...do you want to know why i feel the urge to warn people about the antiChrist?

because he will decieve the world!! maybe people deserve to hear what is coming upon them, so they may be saved...but i guess thats a selfish motive isnt it? its selfish to want people to resist a tyrannical force..but of course, you wouldnt know that, unless you studied the prophecies, so theres obviously a catch 22 here isnt there?

if, when the Antichrist comes, he will provide such signs and wonders, that "even the elect will be decieved, if it were possible", then non-believers, and even Christians ought to know, that their is a LIE, a deception currently taking place that will fool even the faithfull.

there are plenty of Christians out there, who think Bush is really fighting a war on terror, that their are evil Islamists out there who hate democracy and hate freedom, and that we need to fight a war anytime someone disagrees with us...but that doesnt mean he speaks for Jesus, or speaks for all christians.

Jesus says "it is hard for a rich man to get into heaven. it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, then for a rich man to get into heaven". why is that? is it because money is the root of many evils? is Bush not rich, and do the rich not run the world? if the love of money is evil, does that not make empirical conquests for profit and control evil?

Bush is a known Skull and Bones member! claim all you want that its just some college fraternity, but realize that there is only 1 Jesus, 1 christianity. when Jesus says "love your God above all others, and love your brother as yourself; this is the single greatest commandment" this leaves NO ROOM FOR SECRET SOCIETIES! and it especially exludes Satanic organisations like skull and bones, freemasonry, and the illuminati. think about it, if sin entered the world through Adam, and death through sin, then death is the symbol of sin, which was instigated through Satan. hence the symbolism of the skeleton, hence the reason theyre called "the order of Death". does that sound Christian to you? the Nazis, the Skull and Bones...they are Satanic mystery cults

members of these groups, Kissinger, Rockefeller, Bush sr. have all openly admitted a goal for a New World Order. if the anti-Christ reigns over a one world government, and the Bush clan has stated in the past that they intend to initiate a "new world order", then i think you had better listen up and understand what theyre telling you!

let me give you an example of the mark of the beast. if you take a micro chip, because you believe its an antiterror measure...realize that Jesus said that whoever takes the mark to save their life, will lose their life in eternity. is that not something everyone should know? especially if the context calling for a trackable microchip or ID card was manufactured or engineered by those in power? that is my entire point!

pardon me for wanting to alert people that the masses are being decieved by antiChristian political philospohies, like our current fascit neocon foreign policy.

this is likened to 9/11 for me; if the government in fact did orchestrate or allow 9/11, doesnt the public have the right to know, given the last 5 yrs of politics?

well

KANEMAN

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:25 AM

Yes they have all called for a new world order..problem is it used to mean something different before conspiracy and religious kooks hijacked it an said "see...one leader to rule all".."The end times are here, the end times are hear!" please save all this crap for a different board..was amusing the first couple of threads..but you repeat this garbage for any topic....Go pull the left behind "NOVELS" from arse and chew on those for awhile. sh*t I'm going to bed..........

ANTIMASON

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:55 AM

this is exactly the problem..

do you believe in Jesus? if so, you CANNOT seperate the Bible from reality, as if they exist seperately.

politics, prophecy, they go hand in hand.

people understand that the Bible predicts an end of the age, a tribulation period...yet they dont seek to understand the circumstances which bring upon these events.

they know there is a Satan, and fallen angelic forces who are at his disposal, yet they refuse to believe that he affects the world in any way.

if you arent a believer, then that explains it..but if you are, draw some connections.

whether you believe in Jesus or not, understand there are cults of people who believe in his counterpart, and they worship him as the "light bringer". any cursory study into the occult and lucifer will make that obvious right away.

you want to deny that these people have any power? fine....tell that to the 4 million Jews who died in the holocaust, at the hands of the Nazis and the Thule society. did you know Eckart, the leader of the Thule society, believed Hitler to be THE ANTICHRIST?? or is that an irrelevent sidenote?

this is the difference between me and you i guess

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, August 4, 2006 10:51 PM

Quote:
Nice list. I want to remind everyone that however many folk end up predicting the end of the world...they only need to be right once.

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

-Frem

RUE

Saturday, August 5, 2006 12:48 AM

This is kinda interesting to me, I'm lurking to see what gets posted. Like CTS on the unemployment thread, I've got my popcorn.

Plus I'm waiting for the signal to wail and gnash my teeth.

ROCKETJOCK

Saturday, August 5, 2006 1:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
this is exactly the problem..

do you believe in Jesus? if so, you CANNOT seperate the Bible from reality, as if they exist seperately.

if you arent a believer, then that explains it..but if you are, draw some connections.

Well, I believe in Jesus as a historical figure, and quite possibly a living Buddha or Avatar of something divine, but if you mean, "Do (I) believe in Jesus as the one true Son of God", well, no I don't, so I guess I escape that particular logical trap.

Of course, if I'm wrong, then by your rules I'm screwed. But the chips are still on the table at this point, and nobody knows which slot the little ball will fall in. If, after your death, you find yourself facing Egyptian deities weighing your heart against a feather, or Charon asking for the coins off your eyes for the ferryman's fee, you'll probably feel pretty sheepish yourself.

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whether you believe in Jesus or not, understand there are cults of people who believe in his counterpart, and they worship him as the "light bringer". any cursory study into the occult and lucifer will make that obvious right away.

Oh, yeah, the classic method of winning a theological argument: Invoke Devil Worship. Trumps just about anything.

For what it's worth, Satanism has never been anything but a faint, funhouse mirror distortion of Christianity--although mainstream Christianity's propensity to paint any non-christian religion as devil worship may tend to obscure that fact.

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you want to deny that these people have any power? fine....tell that to the 4 million Jews who died in the holocaust, at the hands of the Nazis and the Thule society. did you know Eckart, the leader of the Thule society, believed Hitler to be THE ANTICHRIST?? or is that an irrelevent sidenote?

Umm--if Hitler was the AntiChrist, then Armageddon should have happened about fifty years ago, and we should be deep into the first century of the millenium right now. I'm pretty sure I would have picked up on that--it'd probably be in all the papers.

So, since that didn't happen, the fact that someone thought Hitler was the AntiChrist probably is just an "irrelevent" (sic) sidenote. And proof that it's really easy to be wrong about Biblical prophecies. I'm just saying.

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this is the difference between me and you i guess

Well, that and the fact that the other people on this thread were members of Fireflyfans.net further back than two days ago, which is when you made your first post. (I checked your profile.) So, do you spend all your free time Googling "End Times", and throwing your two cents in?

Geez. And I thought I needed to get a life.

"Religion easily—has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man...living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money." -- George Carlin

MISSTRESSAHARA

Saturday, August 5, 2006 3:06 AM

And you Antimason are the reason we Catholics have a bad reputation.

Let me ask you something, did you come on this site and de-lurk just to stir things up? And do you actually KNOW what Firefly is? If you say you've never seen the show, then do us the favor of leaving.

Sorry my post got this kind of reaction, I was just angry over that religous nut using the war as a means of making money off the populous.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

I remember watching that Carlin special RocketJock. I giggled when I read the quote.

ANTIMASON

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:18 AM

first of all...last i checked, this was a country and a planet where you could speak whats on your mind. do you disagree? then maybe you should leave.

to my critic, if you are not a christian, then why bother debating any of my points? theyre irrelevent to you, no? if there is no omnipresent, omnipotent being, what do you care what anyone on the face of the planet does to another?

its significant that Eckhart believed Hitler to be antichrist because he believed that Satan exists! the Nazis werent athiests, mmmk. i never said that ww2 was the end; period.

i never even said anything but christianity is Satanic...i mean, its more fun to start arguements when you put words in other peoples mouths, but im not biting.

if you want to deny that everything i said has any credence, fine! dont say i never warned you

ANTIMASON

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:21 AM

oh yah..if Jesus wasnt God, then he was techinically a physco path, because he all but admitted that he was God. so believing in Jesus as God manifest is what makes us Christians..i dont worship any human being, not buddha, not the dali lama, no one

RUE

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:35 AM

dbl

RUE

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:36 AM

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if there is no omnipresent, omnipotent being, what do you care what anyone on the face of the planet does to another

I don't need a big daddy in the sky threatening to spank me in order to follow the good. Though from your post, it sounds like you do.

ANTIMASON

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:54 AM

well..im not so sure. at what point in Mans progression to a civilized state did he begin to develope a conscience, if you believe in the theory of evolution? what makes us different from animals?

in the context of my arguement, it is entirely relevant, because it is not true Christians with the agenda to create a global, fascist, totalitarian police state, it is occultists...and those types of infringements of personal liberties are not condoned in the Bible; however, can you say the same of human nature?? i think history tends to bare that out

SINGATE

Saturday, August 5, 2006 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
And you Antimason are the reason we Catholics have a bad reputation.

I always thought it was equal parts original sin, guys wearing collars dishing out absolution, and the child molesting that made Catholicism look bad. Maybe that's just me. BTW I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

Wait a minute...what am I doing in RWED?! Abort! Abort!

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

CITIZEN

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Plus I'm waiting for the signal to wail and gnash my teeth.

Priest: And when the the day of Judgement comes, there'll be much a wailing and a knashing of the teeth!

Little Old Lady: But I haven't got any teeth!

Priest: AND THE TEETH WILL BE PROVIDED!

CITIZEN

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by antimason:
well..im not so sure. at what point in Mans progression to a civilized state did he begin to develope a conscience, if you believe in the theory of evolution? what makes us different from animals?

Now prove that animals, say great Apes or Dolphins as an example that have been shown to mourn their dead, help others in distress, ostracise group members that have done wrong and so on and so forth don't have a conscious. Or for that matter that a conscious miraculously appeared when we started doing all our occult things and calling them Christian.

Praise the lord for the pagan holiday of Yueltide Christmas!

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in the context of my arguement, it is entirely relevant, because it is not true Christians with the agenda to create a global, fascist, totalitarian police state, it is occultists...and those types of infringements of personal liberties are not condoned in the Bible; however, can you say the same of human nature?? i think history tends to bare that out

Yes like the occult inquisition...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

ODDSBODSKINS

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:39 AM

so, just to confirm, everyone who's idea of christianity you disagree with is an occultist, and they're the one's with the hidden agenda trying to form a planet-wide police state? don't mean to play along or anything, but, i consider that marginally less scary then the fact that people who believe wholeheartedly in every word in the bible, up to and including that whole 'fire and brimstone' bit somewhere around the last chapter (is it just me, or did the plot get a bit strung out around there?) have been sitting, and are sitting, with their hands over the big button to send of all the worlds largest collection of nuclear weapons, just WAITING for god to tell them when to bring about the rapture.

occultist's i could predict, occultist's would be less scary, you know, least they should be motivated by greed, lust, fear and laziness like the rest of the planet, could see which direction they'd be coming from.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 5, 2006 1:42 PM

I thought the Y2K 'event' was suppose to mark the beginning of the END. Anyone remember those survivalist who kept preaching about how we'll have no power, no Gov't, it would all break down into anarchy Jan 1, 2000, and if you REALLY loved your family, you'd go out and buy $10,000's worth of generators, canned food, clean bottled water, and of course,...ammo!

*sigh*

I miss the good ol days.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:52 PM

Just as a caveat to the Y2K thing:
Everyone talks about how it was a load of BS because nothing happened.

Nothing happened because the computer systems that were affected had their software rewritten to use the 4 digit year format. Nothing happened because we did something about it before it did.

Not because there was no problem in the first place.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

SOUPCATCHER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 5:56 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Just as a caveat to the Y2K thing:
Everyone talks about how it was a load of BS because nothing happened.

Nothing happened because the computer systems that were affected had their software rewritten to use the 4 digit year format. Nothing happened because we did something about it before it did.

Not because there was no problem in the first place.

One of my friends was on the reprogramming team for a major utility and they had been working hard for quite some time before the date. They stuck the whole team in the office on New Year's Eve and kept them there until well after midnight. Deli sandwiches and no alcohol. According to my friend it was the most boring New Year's Eve he could remember. We called him periodically from our party so he could hear what he was missing

.

Okay. Sortta back on topic.

As someone who grew up in a religious denomination that was formed following the Great Disappointment of 1844 I just have to say, "Been there. Done that."

That might be a bit too snarky.

One thing I've wondered is, for those who believe, the Apocalypse shouldn't be something to be feared. Should it? I mean, sure, if you go by the book, it's not going to be all fun and games but the payoff is the ultimate payoff. So I have no problem with people eagerly awaiting Armageddon. I just have a problem with people actively working to bring about Armageddon.

Soup - rusty on his eschatology - Catcherisall

KWICKO

Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:45 PM

AntiMason:

If, as you seem to believe, the bible prophesizes all of the End Times events, and they're all *supposed to* come to pass, then what the hell good is it going to do to run around screaming about them supposedly happening? You can't change them from happening; if you could, the bible would be proven wrong. And you can't really believe that a last-minute change of heart would be enough to save someone, can you? I mean, let's suppose a person lives all his life being basically a piece of shit. He's not a murderer, but he's a scumbag. He doesn't believe, doesn't worship, doesn't help others, goes out of his way to take advantage of others to benefit himself financially, and so on. Now, because you say it's the "end times" and you feel like giving fair warning, let's say he "repents" and decides to change his ways - for a day or so anyway. This turd, who's done nothing for society or any other person other than himself, is now magically saved and sent to heaven because he was able to pull a fast one on your all-knowing god? Your god must be the stupidest supreme being EVER to be fooled by such a ruse.

If you believe - TRULY believe - that any of the bible is real or true, then you should probably not need to be warned in the first place. Wouldn't you already live every single moment of every single day as if you were to be judged at that moment? I just don't buy the whole "blessed by a loop-hole" argument that you can be saved by repenting at the last possible moment - or that you'd even know that moment when it arrived. I don't believe in a god, but if I did, he'd have to be a lot sharper than that; he (or she) would be more likely to judge someone on the TOTALITY of their life, not simply on whether they suddenly decided to be "good" right at the end. It's like the cops chasing a rapist-murderer all over town, but when they finally catch up to him, they draw their guns and he helps a little old lady cross the street. Is he now a good guy? Are all his former crimes simply erased? If so, your universe is whackily out of kilter.

Mike

Condoms work more often than prayers.

YINYANG

Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:48 PM

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I say we start a pool. I'm in for $10 and I want October 5, 2076, at just after 7pm EST (during Jeopardy, which ironically would have featured "The Date the World Will End" as the final Jeopardy answer..."What is today?" being the question AlexBot 2000 would have been looking for).

I don't know if the bet's been raised, but $10 is fair enough for me. I'll go with... November 3, 2089 , at 4:36 am.

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Go to http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/ and vote Firefly!

ROCKETJOCK

Saturday, August 5, 2006 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:

to my critic, if you are not a christian, then why bother debating any of my points? theyre irrelevent to you, no?

End-Time panic is relevant to me because it's coloring my country's international relations and foreign policy. Right-wing religious groups are influencing U.S. elections through semi-legal campaign contributions. We've got a true believer in the White House right now, and it scares the spit out of me.

There are people out there who want to encourage war in the middle east, precisely because they believe in literal interpretation of Biblical Prophecy. Suppose, just for a moment, that they're wrong about Armageddon and the Second Coming--but that they still manage to help drive things to a nuclear exchange! Suppose the bombs drop, but Jesus doesn't show up to clean up the mess! Suppose we actually have to take responsibility for our own actions, instead of foisting it all off on God!

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if there is no omnipresent, omnipotent being, what do you care what anyone on the face of the planet does to another?

I've heard this argument before. It translates as "If an outside authority (God) doesn't impose morality, then it doesn't exist."

To my mind, that translates to "I don't want to think about what's moral or immoral; I want someone to hand me a list, so I can follow it blindly."

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[bold]its significant that Eckhart believed Hitler to be antichrist because he believed that Satan exists!

if you want to deny that everything i said has any credence, fine! dont say i never warned you

So? I know people who think that Thor and Odin exist--I don't see you worrying about Ragnarok. When the Fenris Wolf eats the sun and moon, and you have no one to save you from Surtur and the Frost Giants, don't say I never warned you.

"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, August 5, 2006 8:02 PM

Betting pool, eh ?

Ok, gimme $10.00 on 03/12/2015 @ 3:45AM EST.

And if you do catch the joke, you might wanna help explain it to the locals... heh heh heh.

-Frem

SOUPCATCHER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 8:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ok, gimme $10.00 on 03/12/2015 @ 3:45AM EST.

Is that date in general or just for Washington, DC?

Hmmm. Ten dollars? Put me down for right after the Warren Commission files are supposed to be released to the public in 2039. Upon opening the files it will be found to contain reams of blank paper with the note, "Suckers." The combined screams of frustration from scores of conspiracy theorists will cause the earth to vibrate to pieces.

*eta: I call it Bansheegeddon.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 5, 2006 9:36 PM

Nothing happened because we did something about it before it did.

Not because there was no problem in the first place.

Which was my point exactly. As much as I tried to tell folks who believed the y2k stuff that the more it benefitted those who were in most danger, they'd do what needed to be done in order to protect their interest.

Try explaining that to a mess of End Timer zealots.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ANTIMASON

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:37 PM

did anyone hear a word i said??

BUSH IS NOT A CHRISTIAN! PERIOD! show me evidence outside of his own testimony, which is worthless, that he is a true-to-Jesus Christian??...you dont have any. especially any anecdotel evidence like he seems like a nice guy. when he talks about God, hes talking about his god Satan. you may be able to find an instance where the guy performs a photo-op on easter, but come on..

ill show you pictures, ill show you actual information, where GEORGE W. BUSH, and the rest of the BUSH family, have been envolved with occult groups like the Nazis and Skull and Bones, have attended Bohemian grove retreats where they perform a moch sacrifice to the god Molech(a Canaanite deity). ill even show pictures of him performing Freemasonic handshakes with other politicians. why arent you guys looking into this?? i am tired of repeating myself..you cant argue with the evidence, its been proven right in front of you!

its like your mind is stuck in a rut, so when i present you with this proof, that hes a closet occultist, your mind reverts back to all the secularist propoganda youve heard over the years, and you go off on a tangeant about how Christians are running the country?

if you would hear me for a sec, you would understand....do you not realize the flaw in your logic when you claim it is Bush bringing us towards "Armaggedon"? it is not the christians, but the antiChristians, the occultists who bring us into the tribulation; i urge you, pick up a Bible and try to read it, if i had all the time in the world i could counter all the skeptical nitpicking of every statement i make.

i havent been given a good alternative theory from anyone here, that takes into consideration the known evidence regarding secret societies and the occult; therefore you are denying obviously crucial evidence.

i for one refuse to be taken by George Bushs bold faced lies. if you ever learn anything from this administration, understand that it has LIED< continues TO LIE; and is also concealing and classifying more government documents than in president in history. why i ask??

there is a massive disconnect here, between known historical facts, and the reality that is most easily accepted among you all; especially about this NWO agenda. do i need to dig out quotes from David Rockefeller(the family which decievingly established Americas central bank, the bank which prints occultic Satanic symbolism on its dollar bills):

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

as a matter of fact, heres an entire page of quotes, from the elite, expressing their Satanic motives of creating a one world government. check for yourselves..try and "debunk" these!
http://www.911kemet.co.uk/nwoquotes.html#Rockefeller_guilt

Jesus says "you will know them by their fruit. no good tree can produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree produce good fruit". Jes

CITIZEN

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Which was my point exactly. As much as I tried to tell folks who believed the y2k stuff that the more it benefitted those who were in most danger, they'd do what needed to be done in order to protect their interest.

Try explaining that to a mess of End Timer zealots.

Yes but without said end timer zealots nothing may have been done

Lots of people who needed to protect their interests didn't believe their was a problem and didn't think the vast sums of cash spent needed to be...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:37 AM

Quote:
ill show you pictures, ill show you actual information, where GEORGE W. BUSH, and the rest of the BUSH family, have been envolved with occult groups like the Nazis and Skull and Bones, have attended Bohemian grove retreats where they perform a moch sacrifice to the god Molech....

Now YOU'RE sounding like an End Time zealot! Seriously, you're taking PN's funny post too seriously. None of that silliness is remotely true.

W calls himself a Christian. Who am I ,or who are you, to say he's not ?

'tis not an issue for me, either way.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ANTIMASON

Sunday, August 6, 2006 1:50 AM

because Jesus says to expose the immoral brother, to not even have lunch with such a man. someone who claims to be doing Gods work, yet is doing the opposite, deserves to be revealed. i dont claim to be perfect, but im not attending moch human sacrifices to the god Molech, or lying naked in a coffin and masturbating to fellow members of a cult; yet these are the charges against him. why do you defend such behavior is what i wanna know? you can write it off all you want, "its nonsense, thats ludicrous"..so explain why its thorougly documented then?

i could discount everything i read too, but id be doing a disservice to my country to avoid such blatant, blasphemous hypocracy from someone who claims to be representing Christians.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Sunday, August 6, 2006 8:41 AM

To this I say STFU!

I AM a CATHOLIC, and I DO believe in God, not IDIOTS like you who come on here TELLING me I should believe in your version of God, well let me tell you I've talked to him plenty of times at church and in private and I LIKE to BELIEVE he answered at times, but yes if you must know sometimes I DO get disilussioned and question my belief. It's normal, and to say it isn't shows your not fully human or erect. Doubts a human trait, so that explains that.

But now I'm seeing my belief in God is strong, it's my belief in PEOPLE LIKE YOU that I question, SO DON'T COME ON HERE AND TELL ME I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN BUDDY.

And the ONLY one I see obsessed with satan and the dark side is you, so maybe you'll want to shut it and go pitch your dark arts somewhere else.

ASSHOLE

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 6, 2006 12:25 PM

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...yet these are the charges against him.

No, these aren't legitimate charges against President Bush, but are only the fantasies of a fringe group. Nothing more than mal contents and anarchist who are so disconnected w/ the rest of society, they have instead invented their own fairy tales.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ANTIMASON

Sunday, August 6, 2006 4:50 PM

MISSTRESSA, what is it exactly that offends you so much about me??

that i warn people that there is a conspiracy taking place that seeks to destroy, suppress, conform, dessimate, annihalate, de-humanize, degrade, and enslave a population that doesnt know any better?

have i attacked Catholics, or even you personally for that matter, on any subject??

tell me your worldview then? let me here YOU take into account archives upon archives, upon statements upon facts upon admissions, of the occult and their agenda for a NWO? let me here it? besides that its just a bunch of nonsense..which is absoletly unacceptable for someone who claims to love Jesus as much as yourself.

undestand: THIS IS AN ANTI_CHRISTIAN_CONSPIRACY! if Christians dont expose this, no one will, because as you can see, ive clearly layed out sufficient evidence to atleast suspect that something is going on beyond what any mainstream news source will allude to, and yet most of you are more concerned with scrutinizing me, then the facts at hand.

cant you see that they are playing on your fears? you fear evil Islamics who hate freedom and democracy, so you are willing to subject people to unconstitutional acts of enforcement; with your tacit approval, so long as its them and not you. well it is you, its all of us, because they will not stop at "terrorists" until it encompasses us aswell.

in the words of Patrick Henry, "give me liberty or give me death" or how about Jacksons ""He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"

the establishment knows this my friends. from the mouth of the infamous elitist Henry Kissinger:

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis by original compiler], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government."

how about the Rothschild dynasty, which runs the European central banks(in collaboration with the Rockefellers in America):

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply."

i want to live in a country where im free to be myself, where my every move is not tracked or recorded, where my telephone conversations are private, where i dont have to provide a thumbscan to by groceries or drive an automobile, where its not illegal to dissent against the establishment, and where, if worst comes to worst, i have the right to a fair and speedy trial. realize that under the Patriot act, violating any state or federal law broadly defines you as a terrorist...so what seperates us from the Abu Ghraib "terrorists"? or al-qaeda? ..almost nothing, so just wait for the next terrorist attack; say goodbye to what you thought was a free America, because the noose has been slipped around our necks, with glee by the ignorant, only for the floor to drop out from beneath us when you all least expected it.

i really dont know what to say anymore...why is it that some are willing to fight to protect the rights of every human being, while others are soo selfishly consumed by their own well being that they turn their heads to the atrocities being performed on their behalves. that could not be further from Christian that even Prescot Bush and his Nazi money laundering schemes....

DUKKATI

Sunday, August 6, 2006 10:57 PM

There are to many wackos out there who need tracking.

To bad the rest of us get caught up in it.

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I've been through the system.
It dont work.

KWICKO

Sunday, August 6, 2006 11:19 PM

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why is it that some are willing to fight to protect the rights of every human being

Are you implying that YOU'RE fighting for the rights of every human being? How? Tell me exactly HOW you're fighting. What actions have you taken, other than to type a few ill-worded posts on a website dedicated to a cancelled TV show? Show me, in detail, your plans to overthrow the government and install your kind as our new "leaders". Where's the action? Or are you one of those who consider "fighting" and "talking" to be the same thing?

You claim that Bush is no christian, even though he says he is. He's fooling us all. So explain to me exactly how I'm supposed to know that YOU are what you claim, and that you're not just another liar. I pretty much expect that when someone is a zealot about ANYTHING, they're round-the-bend batshit crazy to begin with. As such, I tend to pay them no mind.

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you fear evil Islamics who hate freedom and democracy

Not at all. I fear my government much more than I fear any terrorist attack. And why do you think all Muslims are evil? Anyway, I *might* fear the "evil Islamics" if they were walking down my street with AK-47s, but I'm confident that I'm better-armed than they are. And yes, I would much rather fight them over here; this is where all my stuff is, so I could basically just shoot at them from my front porch. :)

You make the same stupid mistakes that every other conspiracist I've seen makes: you think that if someone isn't as ratcheted up on meth, as rat-fuck paranoid as you, that they're automatically in league with and in full support of "them", the others, these nefarious bad guys who are all out to get you.
Answer me this: If they were really so goddamned effective at controlling information, and if they were really so goddamned powerful, would you still be alive? I mean, if I were one of the "ruling elite", with the full faculties of the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers (you forgot the Trilateral Commission) at my disposal, the very FIRST thing I'd do to cement my hold on power would be to disappear all the conspiracy theorists. It's not like the world would miss them...

Mike

Remember, Kiddies, you can't spell "QUAGMIRE" without "I", "R", "A", & "Q"!

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

Sunday, August 6, 2006 11:46 PM

Anytime I hear someone say it's the endtimes I say, "It is a wicked generation that seeks a sign." a paraphrase of Matthew 6:14. That usually shuts them up. I'm a christian but one who is very, very tired of people going on and on about the end of the world.

"Well, here I am." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

ANTIMASON

Monday, August 7, 2006 12:10 AM

i was paraphrasing general sentiments when i said "evil islamics", i dont place the blame on them solely as so many others, and im not out to destroy the muslim world like the current military strategy. when you think of terrorists, what comes to mind? exactly what the media and pentagon have propagated to you, muslim extremists.

well under the Patriot act, any crime committed in America is an act of terrorism! dont you see the danger, when you allow the government to classify any one with a dissenting opinion as a terrorist? how do we oppose injustices under those circumstances? this is the threat that you are not taking seriously, because we're being told this war will never end.

how am i fighting for rights? firstly, the same way Jesus commanded..with words. "those who live by the sword die by the sword"...surely youve heard this saying before? maybe i should be like the alleged terrorist groups and threaten people i disagree with; is that your strategy? how do you fight a literal, physical war against a belief, a mentality..if indeed the arab world hates America and wants us destroyed? how does an occupying force change a spiritual or mental paradigm like that? do you wonder why things are getting worse?

Jesus said everything hidden will be made known, and what is wispered in secret will be shouted from the rooftops. the fact that we know anything about this NWO agenda is testament to that, and its my belief that this information is being made known, prior to the end of the age, so people will have time to prepare themselves.

why dont they just rush out and grab people right now, if it is as i say?? do you not recognize the flaw in that tactic? it exposes the true nefariousness of their agenda, why would they do that? this is centuries in the making, they are sufficiently imbedded in enough government and private sectors to be effective.

but wait until the next "terrorist" attack, or the next war, and see where we are then. do you think America can handle another phase of the patriot act, or homeland security? these guys love war, because in war time people hand their rights over to big brother, for the illusion of protection from enemies created by big brother! when you give up freedom for security, you only get more tyranny, its a historical fact.

when that day comes, will you admit your folly?? will you even realize the circumstances that led to your enslavement? youd rather die, then open an ear and consider something other than what the pentagon tells you.

what else can i do but warn people of what is happening? its all i can do to convince poeple like yourselves that your not as safe and secure as big daddy Bush and the Nazis at Homeland security want you to believe. since 9/11, the federal government has got more money, more control, more authority; meanwhile, the country moves backwards on all domestic issues!

and all you can do is attack my credibilty, my character, and call me all the dispiccable names youve bothered to hang on to over the years. if Americans cant hold their own administration accountable for known constitutional infringements and illegal practices, what hope will we ever have to prosecute rogue elements..especially after the next wave of attacks and "counter terror" legislation. if this is a slippery slope, then we are intent on sliding way the hell on off into oblivion

attack the substance of the debate, give me your speculative opinion of the information ive given you? lets here it?? whats your explanation off it all?

oh right..."im crazy" "its all made up". is that the best you have?

ANTIMASON

Monday, August 7, 2006 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Whimsicalnbrainpan:
Anytime I hear someone say it's the endtimes I say, "It is a wicked generation that seeks a sign." a paraphrase of Matthew 6:14. That usually shuts them up. I'm a christian but one who is very, very tired of people going on and on about the end of the world.

"Well, here I am." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

what about these quotes?

"first of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. they will say, "where is this 'coming' he promised? ever since our fathers died, everything does on as it has since the beginning of creation" 2Peter 3:3

"look at the fig tree and all the trees. when they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. even so, when you see these things happenin, you know that the kingdom of God is near."Luke21:29

MISSTRESSAHARA

Monday, August 7, 2006 1:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
MISSTRESSA, what is it exactly that offends you so much about me??

that i warn people that there is a conspiracy taking place that seeks to destroy, suppress, conform, dessimate, annihalate, de-humanize, degrade, and enslave a population that doesnt know any better?

have i attacked Catholics, or even you personally for that matter, on any subject??

tell me your worldview then? let me here YOU take into account archives upon archives, upon statements upon facts upon admissions, of the occult and their agenda for a NWO? let me here it? besides that its just a bunch of nonsense..which is absoletly unacceptable for someone who claims to love Jesus as much as yourself.

undestand: THIS IS AN ANTI_CHRISTIAN_CONSPIRACY! if Christians dont expose this, no one will, because as you can see, ive clearly layed out sufficient evidence to atleast suspect that something is going on beyond what any mainstream news source will allude to, and yet most of you are more concerned with scrutinizing me, then the facts at hand.

cant you see that they are playing on your fears? you fear evil Islamics who hate freedom and democracy, so you are willing to subject people to unconstitutional acts of enforcement; with your tacit approval, so long as its them and not you. well it is you, its all of us, because they will not stop at "terrorists" until it encompasses us aswell.

in the words of Patrick Henry, "give me liberty or give me death" or how about Jacksons ""He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"

the establishment knows this my friends. from the mouth of the infamous elitist Henry Kissinger:

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis by original compiler], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government."

how about the Rothschild dynasty, which runs the European central banks(in collaboration with the Rockefellers in America):

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply."

i want to live in a country where im free to be myself, where my every move is not tracked or recorded, where my telephone conversations are private, where i dont have to provide a thumbscan to by groceries or drive an automobile, where its not illegal to dissent against the establishment, and where, if worst comes to worst, i have the right to a fair and speedy trial. realize that under the Patriot act, violating any state or federal law broadly defines you as a terrorist...so what seperates us from the Abu Ghraib "terrorists"? or al-qaeda? ..almost nothing, so just wait for the next terrorist attack; say goodbye to what you thought was a free America, because the noose has been slipped around our necks, with glee by the ignorant, only for the floor to drop out from beneath us when you all least expected it.

i really dont know what to say anymore...why is it that some are willing to fight to protect the rights of every human being, while others are soo selfishly consumed by their own well being that they turn their heads to the atrocities being performed on their behalves. that could not be further from Christian that even Prescot Bush and his Nazi money laundering schemes....

Gotta say you sound like the official site quack PN. What pissed me off? Buddy if you have to ask then your views on society are smaller th

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

Monday, August 7, 2006 3:58 AM

I'm not saying that it's not going to happen. I'm just tired of people proclaiming that they are sure that it is happening now (which they have been doing for centuries). To me that is the height of arrogance. How can anyone claim to know the mind of God let alone his timetable.

"You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
Luke 12:40

"...I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you."
Revelation 3:3

"Well, here I am." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

MISBEHAVEN

Monday, August 7, 2006 4:44 AM

Well said RocketJock. I'm always amazed at the narrow, simplistic views of people who believe their religion is the right one. The majority of people living on this planet are not Christian. I'm a devout atheist, and I'm weary of these apocalyptic religious types who seem to think that there's no need for diplomacy; no need to protect the environment; no need to stop exploiting the world's poor etc., because we're in the end of days and Jesus is going to come save them.

"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation."
- Bertrand Russell

Morbid and creepifying I got no problem with, so long as you do it quiet like.

ANTIMASON

Monday, August 7, 2006 4:48 AM

Gotta say you sound like the official site quack PN. What pissed me off? Buddy if you have to ask then your views on society are smaller than most and that makes me cringe. Yes you personally attacked me by saying I'm not a Catholic (I SAY Catholic, not christian.) You don't even know me yet your telling me I fear Islams and their hate of a free society. WTF? When in my post did I SAY that? Oh, it must have been the conversation you were having in your head that sounded like me. Don't you DARE puts words into MY MOUTH. Even Jesus would be pissed with you by now. You'd be one of the people wanting to stone Mary Magdelene thinking your soul was cleaner than hers because of her background.

I'll say it one more time. DON'T YOU DARE COME ON HERE AND TELL ME I'M NOT A CATHOLIC. I AT LEAST DON'T TRY TO JAM MY BELIEFS DOWN PEOPLES THROATS. I at least don't tell people their idiots for not listening. It's called a free society for a reason. It's called free speech and your right to believe for a reason. A lot of people had to die to give you your RIGHTS, so don't come here and try and take that away saying if I'm not with you I'm the enemy. If I don't scream Hallelulah I'm a servant of big red. You don't want a diverse society that has the right to believe left, right, or center, just one that follows YOUR status quo, just one that believes only in YOUR beliefs. Anything else is false, evil and should be stopped and stamped out without given the benefit of doubt or fair trail. Communism tried that. Cuba and China and Korea. It's called fascism.

I am officially ignoring you now. BOO!

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

first of all...i never said you werent a Catholic, or that if your not with me your against me, so when you talk about placing words in other peoples mouths..you stand guilty of doing the same. if you tolerate occult worship, as I, and so many others have proven is occurring, then i hold you in contempt. is that you? then tame your tongue, can you not see that we have an obligation to expose evil?

secondly, i never said that you specifically feared "evil islamists", i implied it. my premise is that the government sponsors terror for their own agenda, and that Al-qaeda, on some level, is working on the behalf of elements within the American industrial complex. you disagree with me, because you dont believe there is an occult conspiracy at work; therefore, you disagree with my premise.

this is where we are in dispute...although, its hard for me to be sure, because NO ONE HERE has the balls to take a stand for their worldview, and hang it out there as i have. its alot easier to pick apart the beliefs of others, but lets hear your own..one that includes the proven information that ive shown you. no one here is offering me an alternative theory as to the meaning of all this, just another case of shooting the messenger.

i love that i make Jesus sick because i am willing to argue for his sole deity, and the rights of all human beings. but especially because i am willing to denounce people for occult worship. are you telling me Jesus would rather i ignore, and even condone, groups like Skull and Bones and the illumaniti, considering the influence they wield? that is what im hearing...otherwise, i have done absolutely nothing to offend you personally, so what is your beef? do you approve of Satan worship?

then you go on to say that im restricting free speech. name just ONE example? i dont think youve even read a single word ive written..i am in defense of freedom and liberty. do you oppose the Patriot act, Homeland security, NSA wiretapping, or any of the other heinous acts being perpetrated by our government, under the guise of "antiterror" legistlation? i couldnt care less what personal belief people choose, so long as it is harmless, i have nothing but love and compassion for all people. but those who plot to suppress the populace, i have no tolerance for. it is your alleged CHRISTIAN leader who is undermining rights, not me

HERO

Monday, August 7, 2006 1:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateNews/Antimason:
BUSH IS NOT A CHRISTIAN! PERIOD! show me evidence outside of his own testimony, which is worthless,

Wow, by that logic Christians don't exist...anywhere. I say I'm a Christian...alot of people say they are Christian...even the Pope says he's a Christian...if we can't take the Pope at his word then who can we trust?

I don't know a single Christian who can point to evidence of their faith that exists independent of their own testimony. Good works is not enough, otherwise Ghandi was a great Christian. Christian values are not enough either, because many Christian values are universal to a number of cultures and faiths. What identifies a person as a Christian is their testimony.

Your judging the President by an impossible standard. He says he's a Christian. Without your own amazing Cylon...er...Christian detector you can't say whether he is or is not. You can say he's a bad Christian...but thats a political judgement, not religeous condemnation...unless your a hard line Catholic in which case all us Protestant bastards are doomed to the fiery pits of reality television.

H

ANTIMASON

Monday, August 7, 2006 7:21 PM

alright fair, ill concede that...but how many Christians do you know HERO who have been caught worhsipping Lucifer? that IS WHAT SKULL AND BONES IS friend! Bush doesnt even deny that he was a member of this organization..he just wont allude to any details.

that is how i know...there may be no way to know who is a true Christian, but ill tell you who isnt, and that is the person who denies the deity of Jesus; which are precisely the doctrines that underly freemasonry, Skull and Bones, the Illumaniti, the Scottish Rite and all the others. that is my sole point.

are you arguing that its OK to worship Jesus and Lucifer simultaneously? then why are you in dispute with me?

"you cannot serve two masters"

CITIZEN

Monday, August 7, 2006 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
if we can't take the Pope at his word then who can we trust?

Well most people...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.