9/11 NORAD tapes released...
POSTED BY: Dayve
UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 23:15
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To all the shiny Americans out there who go about their daily lives, content in the knowledge that ours is the best, most highly trained military and intelligence gathering system in the world, perhaps you might not want to read the transcripts from NORADs Northeast headquarters from September 11, 2001.
As has been widely documented, the events of that day were chaotic at the least and a down right cluster-f**k at worst. Obviously that day was a wake up call to the military as to the lack of coordination and cooperation between government agencies.
This is chilling stuff. The day starts out with a conversation about living room furniture and progresses to the point where the nations Air Defense Sector is actually getting its information from public news casts.
Now, before everyone gets all mad at me for disparaging the military, let me say that is not my intention. I have the utmost respect for all branches of the armed forces. I do, however, feel that somewhere up the chain of command, someone dropped the ball big time.
Follow the link below. It is taken from an article in the August edition Vanity Fair and written by Michael Bronner who was associate producer for the film United 93. His comments and editorials are included, but the transcripts speak for themselves. Also, the attempted cover-up of the agency’s ineptitude is included.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080206Q.shtml
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So much for the conspiracy nut case crowd and thier view that "Bush Knew!"
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The real story is actually better than the one we told," a NORAD general admitted to 9/11-commission staffers when confronted with evidence from the tapes that contradicted his original testimony. And so it seems.
Subpoenaed by the commission during its investigation, the recordings have never been played publicly beyond a handful of sound bites presented during the commission's hearings. Last September, as part of my research for the film United 93, on which I was an associate producer, I requested copies from the Pentagon. I was played snippets, but told my chances of hearing the full recordings were nonexistent. So it was a surprise, to say the least, when a military public-affairs officer e-mailed me, a full seven months later, saying she'd been cleared, finally, to provide them.
And then there was this....
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The problem, Scoggins told me later, was that American Airlines refused to confirm for several hours that its plane had hit the tower. This lack of confirmation caused uncertainty that would be compounded in a very big way as the attack continued. (Though airlines have their own means of monitoring the location of their planes and communicating with their pilots, they routinely go into information lockdown in a crisis.)
Sadly, we can expect some far fetched whackos to put a predictably long winded and exaustably lame spin on the facts, all in the name of 'speaking truth to power', or what ever the hell that's suppose to mean. :disappoointed:
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
]So much for the conspiracy nut case crowd and thier view that "Bush Knew!"
No, I never bought into the conspiracy angle, although you have to admit it's a growth industry. And as it has been pointed out before, truth is often stranger than fiction... fiction in this case being the conspiracy theory....
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i disagree with the premise your presenting that it further validates the official story; if anything, it raises even more questions!
like what the mathematical probability would be that the CIA, would choose that very morning, to be running THE EXACT SIMULATION SCENARIO being played out, suspicously in the real world at that very moment?? it is next to impossible! yet we are to believe that it just happened to be that way..just a coincidence?? BS!
i mean...lets get real. ANYTHING out of the Pentagon is propoganda! period! the nature of politics, especially in the intelligence world, is spin and diception, and the official story of 9/11 is in my mind the conspiracy, so weak that only by pure ignorance and conditioning has it taken this long to gain exposure. the balance of evidence is in our favor to the extent that, i mean..where do you even start???
if you want, ask the pentagon to offer up some video footage other than the propoganda footage of the WTC towers..which were the only steel framed buildings to collapse in history due to fire, let alone in the same day, all three at next to free fall speeds, while building 7 wasnt even hit by a plane. its even been confirmed conclusively that thermate samples were recovered from the site; or rather, whatever evidence that wasnt immediately shipped to China void of examination. if that sounds crazy, ask the firemen who reported explosions, who are consequently under GAG orders currently.
incendiary devices imply prior knowledge. prior knowledge like criminal CIA insider trading prior to 9/11. all it would have taken is for any intelligence network, to usurp the security of Securacom(pretty easy when Bushs bro Marvin is a director), and plant the things! it has been reported that bomb sniffing dog searches were called off prior to 9/11, and that many employees were told not to show up that day. this included pentagon officials who cancelled trips to NY on the 10th. these reports were to the degree that msnbc investigate the urban legends..and found them to be TRUE!!
i could go on and on...its really sickening. doesnt anyone else find it alittle disconcerting that the Bush and Bin Laden families vacationed together?? that Bush jr. was a business partner with Salem Bin Laden? that Usama was up until recently a CIA asset, funded and equipped, to the extent that FBI officials were told to back of his trail?? or that prominant Bin Laden and Saudis were the only people flown from the country immediately after the attacks?
or even that an entire two terms, and Americas foreign and domestic policy have all been permanantly redirected into this global "war on terror", a war that is likely to never end, and will ultimately become a war on dissent? Bush leaves the border wide open, but tells us that our calls can be listened in on, that we need to be strip searched everywhere we go, and that we need ID cards with microchips to live mobily...but the borders wide open! aaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
i think its worth everyones time to investigate government sponsored terror. at the heart of this, think about it:
in retrospect, who had the motive to orchestrate 9/11? Alqaeda? knowing what they know now, they would never have attacked us if it meant bringing the might of the American military down upon them, permanantly. never. in many middle easterners eyes, we've permanantly engrossed upon their sovereignty...is this what Alqaeda wanted? surely they expected some retaliation..are they really so shortsighted? what is their motivation, their goal?
or rather, did this event provide the pretext for certain elitists in the American establishment, to fullfill an agenda which was many more years in the making than this alleged alqaeda plot.
it seems all you must do is admit incompetency, "we failed, we slipped up", and suddenly hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars find their way into the budgets of various federal agencies, like CIA, FBI, NSA, Homeland Security, the DoD etc. what is their incentive to succeed, when the Federal government is rewarded with m
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unless you go beyond the mainstream, you will not be given the whole truth, period. the mainstream WILL NEVER accurately investigate the secret societies, and the corporate powers and officials who operate this machine destined for global totalitarian tyranny
Right, I got it. CIA/FBI/Fed Gov't = The Alliance.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're really not out to get ya!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I have no conclusion either way, but I do have two questions:
Does anyone know if the stories that air traffic control tapes were destroyed are true?
And does anyone know why building 7 came down?
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Look at the descent of the buildings.
okay? they went straight down. They did NOT fall to the side, one reporter even remarked on the fact that they greatly resembled controlled demolition.
If you build a tower of Lego blocks, support it, and set out, then I come punch it it falls to the side, not straight down.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you
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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
If you build a tower of Lego blocks, support it, and set out, then I come punch it it falls to the side, not straight down.
I'm no engineer, but I believe that the burning jet fuel was able to weaken the structural steel supports causing, in essence, a floor to 'dissapear'. The resulting weight of the collapsed portion easily overcame the maximum load able to be supported by the lower structural steel causing the downward collapse of the two towers.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
Look at the descent of the buildings.
okay? they went straight down. They did NOT fall to the side, one reporter even remarked on the fact that they greatly resembled controlled demolition.
If you build a tower of Lego blocks, support it, and set out, then I come punch it it falls to the side, not straight down.
Dude.
"...one reporter even remarked..."
"If you build a tower of Lego blocks..."
You have to bring more to the table than that.
You just have to.
Dude.
Now that I've got that out of my system...
At the end of November 2001 I went to a talk by one of the engineers involved in assessing the performance of the WTC on September 11 ( http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2001/december5/wtc-125.html ). This was a preliminary talk, outlining the current state of understanding in an ongoing investigation. It drew quite a large number of heavy hitters from the engineering and hard science departments. The potential explanations that he presented were plausible. If they had not been plausible, he would've been ripped to shreds in the Q and A(If you don't believe me, you've never seen academics at conferences expressing disagreement).
You can bask in your paranoid little fantasy and think that every single person in that room was in on it. And you can continue to cite anonymous reporters and cutting edge lego reconstruction methods. But I call bullshit.
* eta: to change some singular to plural
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well I'm sorry but I'm not going to go digging through hundreds of thousands of sites just so I can bing up one obscure little thing that will be torn apart by you anyway, I have other things I want to do.
and the lego thing was an example of the physics involved in smashing something into a building
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature
I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.
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