9/11 NORAD tapes released...
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UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 23:15
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In other words, you don't want to put in the work to have an informed opinion.
That's understandable.
And that's why I called bullshit.
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no, I just have more of a life than ppl who do that.
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-try it out, I dare you
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature
I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.
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Or people who have studied in that field.
* eta: I'll expand on my thoughts.
You expressed an uninformed opinion. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether highly informed or highly uninformed or somewhere in between.
Now how much credence to lend to that opinion? I lend zero credence to an uninformed opinion. That's why I called bullshit. I lend a lot of credence to an informed opinion. I pay attention to the opinions of those who have worked and studied in the field they are discussing.
You stated that you don't have the time to develop an informed opinion. As I said, that's understandable.
But don't expect me to give any credence to your proudly expressed ignorance.
If you don't want to put in the work don't expect to be taken seriously. It's as simple as that.
* edited: spelling
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Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
In other words, you don't want to put in the work to have an informed opinion.
That's understandable.
And that's why I called bullshit.
bwaahaa ahaha ahhaha haaa...
Here is my uninformed opinion...
If you punch a Lego building, your hand exerts much more force, to scale, on the Lego building. This allows for the entire Lego building to topple OVER.
But if your hand exerted less force... possibly immediately disintegrating upon impact (ouch) inside the Lego structure only taking out a block or two, you may get similar results. Also, if Lego blocks were not a solid blocks but rather platforms that attached to "poles" as an exoskeleton maybe we'd have a comparison. …and if your blood was a highly combustible fluid your Legos would melt into an indefinable disc lying on the floor. Much like the Simpson’s X-mas tree.
Guy, Is the life of which you speak of a high, per-day post count of randomness. Don' be hatin'!
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why is everyone argueing about legos?
frankly there is stuff we will never know being civilians. the goverment never lets us know the whole truth. to one extreme there is another and there will always be the people who think the goverment does everything wrong. we live in a pretty good country with a less than perfect society and a less than perfect goverment. we can only hope to fall in the middle. what happened was terrible. i would like to know what really happened but relize i probably never will. kinda like area 51, JFK, hell even Lincolns assassination but as long as people rule this earth there will be problems. maybe we can all start obeying the great and wise feline.
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My first thought was...
"These yahoos are in charge of national air defense ?"
What a mess.
Afaik - no building with a steel core structure has EVER collapsed due to a fire, and certainly not straight down like that, it's entirely suspicious and bears the one thing that has not occurred, an actual investigation.
What evidence and testimony that the public in general can get their hands on with a little work is in fact quite disturbing, but is no substitute for an actual investigation by folks who know what the hell they're doing and have no stake in the outcome.
Be it complicity, incompetence, exploitation of events, some stuff went very very wrong that day, and those responsible should be held accountable, instead of being allowed to obfuscate and delay till they're safely out of office... cause no way in hell *should* this have been able to happen, ergo, some folks screwed it up good, at multiple points on the chain of command.
It also bears thinking about that we spend X amount of our money on a national defense and crapload of alphabet agencies that don't do the job.. why reinforce and reward utter and complete incompetence, defeat, even ?
Why do we spend so much tax money on stuff so good at making our lives miserable, but so piss-poor at doing the job they're assigned to do ?
Until a full, impartial and professional investigation of events by folk not involved in the political process occurs, no resolution of this issue is going to happen, and *because* such a thing has not occurred, imma have to side with the folks who smell a rat - although without specifying the breed and size thereof, capisce?
Incompetence is no excuse, not on my tax dime it ain't.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
If you build a tower of Lego blocks, support it, and set out, then I come punch it it falls to the side, not straight down.
The building did not fall because of the impact of the planes. They fell because the heat of the fire produced from the burning fuel weakened the surviving(some were taken out by the planes) load bearing supports which allowed the weight of the floors above the fire to cause those floors to collapse. They pancaked down to the level of the fire and then overwhelmed to supports below the level causing the general collapse of the structure, floor by floor, straight down.
When a buidling is demolished they place the explosives on the load bearing supports which causes the building to collapse. Thats why the WTC collapse looked like a demolition, cause demolitions happen the same way (removal of the load bearing supports). In the case of the WTC the collapse was not immediate, as would have been the case were this a controlled demolition. Rather it was the sustained heat of the fire over a period of something like an hour or two.
Naw, it was the CIA and their invisible clone troopers.
Watched a Discovery Channel special.
H
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Hi -
I've never posted in the real world before... it's very scary... *sticking in one toe carefully*
The lego analogy doesn't work because it wasn't the impact of the planes that took down the towers. If that had been the case, they wouldn't had stood for 15 and 45 minutes (or something like that...) before they collapsed. The buildings were engineered to withstand the impact from an airplane.
They were also built to handle fire. What the engineers didn't consider was this: the impact of the planes took some of the fireproofing stuff off of the steel beams in the center of the structure. The unshielded steel wasn't designed to handle the heat of jet fuel burning in a closed off space, and the beams collapsed. Then, as someone said above, the top of the buildings fell straight down. This is clearly visible when you watch the video.
So the impact on your legos is a fist from above, not from the side.
This is all part of the engineering report drawn up after the event. I'm sorry, I don't have a reference, but they made a public TV special about it, interviewing the man who built the towers and the people who picked through the rubble to identity the melted beams and figure out exactly what happened.
I'm a skeptic scientist and I totally bought the explanation. I don't know what does to the conspiracy theory. Conspiracy or not, GWB is EVIL and that's the end of my knowledge. 
EDIT: hero - just saw your post - too funny! So I guess it was a discovery channel thing... I saw it too, very convincing!
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The aftermath of the collison of the planes into the buildings is a whole different can of worms... there will always be different opinions of what exactly caused the collapse, but the chaos at NORAD is there for all to see and, in my mind, indicates a very real lack of preparedness on the part of our government to live up to one of its most important jobs, which is to protect the citizens of this country.
"the scopes looked like something out of Dr. Strangelove and were strikingly anachronistic"
edit: you'd think something like up-to-date equiment would be a priority....
"Radar is the NEADS controllers' most vital piece of equipment, but by 9/11 the scopes were so old, among other factors, that controllers were ultimately unable to find any of the hijacked planes in enough time to react. Known collectively as the Green Eye for the glow the radar rings give off, the scopes looked like something out of Dr. Strangelove and were strikingly anachronistic compared with the equipment at civilian air-traffic sites. (After 9/11, NEADS was equipped with state-of-the-art equipment.)
In order to find a hijacked airliner - or any airplane - military controllers need either the plane's beacon code (broadcast from an electronic transponder on board) or the plane's exact coordinates. When the hijackers on American 11 turned the beacon off, intentionally losing themselves in the dense sea of airplanes already flying over the U.S. that morning (a tactic that would be repeated, with some variations, on all the hijacked flights), the NEADS controllers were at a loss."
edit: If this is indeed the case; that a hijacker could turn off the beacon code and in essence "lose" the plane....i'm shocked that it wasn't done before this.
more from the article...
"You would see thousands of green blips on your scope," Nasypany told me, "and now you have to pick and choose. Which is the bad guy out there? Which is the hijacked aircraft? And without that information from F.A.A., it's a needle in a haystack."
At this point in the morning, more than 3,000 jetliners are already in the air over the continental United States, and the Boston controller's direction - "35 miles north of Kennedy" - doesn't help the NEADS controllers at all.
On tape, amid the confusion, one hears Major James Fox, then 32, the leader of the Weapons Team, whose composure will stand out throughout the attack, make an observation that, so far, ranks as the understatement of the morning.
08:43:06 FOX: I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise. PLAY | STOP
edit: dosen't instill a lot of confindence
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Do lego buildings often have concrete and steel foundations that go 100 feet underground?
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