9/11 NORAD tapes released...
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UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 23:15
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Hi -......... I've never posted in the real world before... it's very scary... *sticking in one toe carefully*
Mal4prez... thanks for taking the plunge... go ahead and stick your whole foot in... and a leg to boot....
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Quote:They could have been noticed and given permission by building authorities to do "construction work"?
Originally posted by citizen:
How come no one noticed them.
Quote:God, when did I ever say unbelievable? I said I had hard hitting questions that haven't been answered to my satisfaction. I said other plausible explanations have been summarily dismissed but not reasonably ruled out. I said it smacks of propaganda.
How come a building collapsing after being hit by a plane is unbelievable
The only time I even used the word "unbelievable" was regarding the uninhibited violation of restricted air space.
Quote:Uh, how did you get from "gasoline fires" to "no planes"? I don't know where you learned logic, but you should get your money back.
Hold on, this suggests no planes actually hit the WTC, those were some pretty amazing special effects...
I don't know what the explanation is that the explosions upon aircraft impact were orange. I might speculate that those impact fires were "helped" by the same people who put demolition explosives all over the building. Or maybe those aircraft were carrying a lot of gasoline in addition to their jet fuel. Or maybe indeed, those planes had super magic fuel that no one has ever seen before.
Look, I'm not saying I know for a fact what happened. I have questions, and I have guesses. Until my questions are answered seriously, I can't conclude anything.
What I resent is the implication that asking these questions is wrong and ridiculous. That only conspiracy crazies ask questions. That experts can't be influenced to ignore explanations incongruent with their ideology.
My husband showed a video of the collapse of Building 7 to a mechanical engineer colleague he highly respects. They discussed how much it looked like a demolition job. The engineer, who is a strong Bush supporter and fully endorses the official story, said, "Yeah, that does look like a demolition job, doesn't it? Well, wanna go out and get lunch?" My hub, being the social and polite fellow that he is, didn't press it.
It is called confirmation bias. We pay attention to evidence that supports our biases, and ignore the rest. That is why I think the official investigation needs to be more objective and careful--to posit more than one explanation and systematically rule them out.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Kerosene is used in the production of jet fuel, the resulting fuel burns at a maximum temperature of 1700 F. Jet fuel absorbed into carpeting, paper, drywall, curtains, (these items can increase the burning temperature to 2000 F) etc will burn longer than just a puddle of jet fuel - it will ignite the contents of the building and those things will add to the fire, factor in the fact that at that altitude the winds are a whipping around, you have a fire frenzy. Maybe not enough to cause molten pools of metal, but certainly enough to damage the integrity of those columns still intact.
Add all this to the fact that the World Trade Center was a HOLLOW TUBE - I have been there, the floors were wide open spaces with very little support in the center - all you have to do is fly a large plane into the building and take out most of one floor. Leave the extremely heavy aircraft, luggage, bodies etc. in the building and wait for the excess weight, residual damage and fire to make it all fall down and go boom.
This is what happened - some fundamentalist Radical, extremist Muslims didn't read history and were not aware that the UK actually gave Israel to the Jews. They assumed that the mighty, powerful and corrupt US did. Add to that the fact that the US tends to put their noses where it doesn't belong - and you have a good target for a lot of pissed off people. One of these pissed off people is an excellent reader of architectural drawings and understood that there were some inherent design flaws in the WTC.
Believe what you want - but base it on something more than a bunch of people interpreting what happened to fit their theories.
one of the Forsaken TM
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Quote:I mean to say, the initial explosion from the aircraft impact was bright orange.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But what color does wood burn?
But, yes, maybe it means nothing at all.
I'm gonna duck before I get stoned. I asked my questions, and that's that.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Building 7 was "taken down". No conspiracy. It was demolished by the owner. He admitted it. I saw him say it.
And he made a hefty profit.
one of the Forsaken TM
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Quote:The demolition one. 67.587% of my family's assets.
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
"Which one of those theories would you spend money on?"
Edited to add: Mind you, this is like saying:
If I had to buy a car right this second, I would pick this car. But I have a lot of questions about this car and other cars that haven't been answered yet. My choice might change after I get more information.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Quote:Interesting. Do you have a link or source or anything? I'd like to see it for myself.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Building 7 was "taken down". No conspiracy. It was demolished by the owner. He admitted it. I saw him say it.
If that is indeed true, then the earlier, official "plausible" explanations of why Bldg 7 went down were incorrect. What if the explanations for WTC are also incorrect? I just wished they had investigated more plausible explanations before settling on one.
And one more note for Citizen. Not all demolition theories are equal.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/index.html
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Auraptor- Tsk tsk tsk. Where is your savoir faire with conspiracy theories? Don't you know that there are two major flavors of 9-11 conspiracy? They are Make It Happen On Purpose and Let It Happen On Purpose, known as MIHOP and LIHOP respectively.
If I had to choose a conspiracy it would be LIHOP: those in the know (by definition that would exclude Bush) simply refused to prevent an expected terrorist act.
Just my $0.02
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Professional Demolition of World Trade Center Building 7
Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.
We have attempted to call Larry Silverstein's office on several occasions. Silverstein has never issued a retraction for his comments.
Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.
Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
one of the Forsaken TM
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I'm gonna duck before I get stoned. I asked my questions, and that's that.
Canttakesky… I don’t think anyone here is throwing stones. I hope you will continue to post. There will be disagreements here, I know. We aren’t, after all, mindless automatons and disagreement is to be expected in this type of discussion. I had no intent to start a flame war. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and honest and open debate is crucial to finding the truth of a thing. Do I believe that our own government was duplicitous in the attack of 9/11? No. Do I believe everything our government tells us? No.
Will we ever know all the secrets our government keeps from us? I would like to think that, as citizens, we would be privileged to have all relevant information available to us. However, I am not naïve.
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