Buffy Bad: So say parents.
POSTED BY: Novagrass
UPDATED: Saturday, September 7, 2002 18:06
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Sigh. Can't edit my post again. And Haken, could we maybe have a "preview" feature?
Quote:No offense Jeff, but if you're just going to respond to the last thing I said, without observing the ongoing conversation, then I'm gonna lose interest in hearing what you have to say.
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me.
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There is NOTHING wrong with crusading against things you find objectionable. Censorship is often an excuse for excreble bad taste.
Well, first off, we weren't talking about censorship, we were talking about conservative groups (mis) use of the word "family".
But since you raise the issue, I might as well respond: Trying to dictate what other people can watch on television is wrong. Yeah, they have the right to crusade against entertainment they dislike. But by the same token, the rest of us have a right to be unhappy with self-appointed censors. Especially when they're as dishonest and ignorant as Parents TV is.
Your remark that "censorship is often an excuse" is pretty ironic in this context. It's perfectly true that a lot of pornographers, talentless hacks, and general idiots thoroughly abuse the first amendment. But that doesn't change the fact that free speech is funadmental right. No more than the abuse of that same right by Parents TV.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:Quote:No offense Jeff, but if you're just going to respond to the last thing I said, without observing the ongoing conversation, then I'm gonna lose interest in hearing what you have to say.
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me.
Don't know how to break this to ya Zic, but I don't memorize everything you say as if it were scripture.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Trying to dictate what other people can watch on television is wrong. Yeah, they have the right to crusade against entertainment they dislike. But by the same token, the rest of us have a right to be unhappy with self-appointed censors. Especially when they're as dishonest and ignorant as Parents TV is.
Your remark that "censorship is often an excuse" is pretty ironic in this context. It's perfectly true that a lot of pornographers, talentless hacks, and general idiots thoroughly abuse the first amendment. But that doesn't change the fact that free speech is funadmental right. No more than the abuse of that same right by Parents TV.
But TV speech isn't free and the courts have said so. The airwaves belong to the people and we do control content. Not to mention the communist style infiltration of the "media" by radical leftists (84% voted for Al Gore, vs only about 50% of the country.) "Free Speech" was supposed to be Political Speech not porn. Besides, the 1st Admendment, like the 2nd was revoked by congress, and we, the people, didn't care enough to toss them out of office for it (cross reference the "Campaign finance law.")
Jeff
Who has seen much change in 34 years. "But we were born free."
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Don't know how to break this to ya Zic, but I don't memorize everything you say as if it were scripture.
I don't expect you to memorize everything I say. But it's very rude to pretend to participate in a conversation you're not trying to follow, If you're only interested in hit-and-run quipping, then don't expect to have any actual influence over other people's ideas.
Quote:Responding to that would require repeating the very last thing I said. Heck with that.
But TV speech isn't free and the courts have said so...
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
If you're only interested in hit-and-run quipping, then don't expect to have any actual influence over other people's ideas.
Zic,
I think you have seriously distorted concept of the relative importance of message boards in the universe. Not to mention your own opinion of your own opinion.
Jeff
Who notes, "Angels can fly, because they take themselves so lightly."
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Quote:Bored now.
Originally posted by TinyTimm:Quote:
Originally posted by Zicsoft:
If you're only interested in hit-and-run quipping, then don't expect to have any actual influence over other people's ideas.
Zic,
I think you have seriously distorted concept of the relative importance of message boards in the universe. Not to mention your own opinion of your own opinion.
Jeff
Who notes, "Angels can fly, because they take themselves so lightly."
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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Besides, the 1st Admendment, like the 2nd was revoked by congress, and we, the people, didn't care enough to toss them out of office for it
Congress doesn't have the power to revoke a Constitutional amendment. An amendment can only be revoked by another amendment, and Congress (last I heard, anyway) doesn't have the power to add those.
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Originally posted by CharlieBlue:Quote:
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Besides, the 1st Admendment, like the 2nd was revoked by congress, and we, the people, didn't care enough to toss them out of office for it
Congress doesn't have the power to revoke a Constitutional amendment. An amendment can only be revoked by another amendment, and Congress (last I heard, anyway) doesn't have the power to add those.
They never "revoked" or "amended" congress just ignores any law they want to, including the constitution. The most infamous example is the "Balanced Budget Law" which was passed and immediately ignored by congress and the President.
If I win the Lottery next Tuesday and buy time on TV to make a political statement, I can be arrested and thrown in prison for YEARS waiting trial. This is in the so called "Campaign Finance Reform" law recently passed. Legal action has been started, but it will take YEARS to get a resolution.
Jeff
Who liked this country more when it was free.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Bored now.
I'll alert the media.
Jeff
Who finds some people incredibly funny.
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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Jeff
Who liked this country more when it was free.
Shouldn't that be 'more free'? Or do you believe freedom is an absolute?
Shug
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Personally, I'm proud of Buffy and it's new title. It's nothing new that BTVS pisses off the religious right. And it's nothing new that the religious nuts out there favor television that promotes Christianity and avoids real issues, as opposed to shows that feature realisic characters that are not perfect and make mistakes.
And as for the term "family programing," I'd like to add something: Buffy IS family programming. In my family, Buffy is a family bonding experience in its own right. Before I went off to college, my parents and I would watch Buffy every tuesday. Religiously. Serious discussions would stem off of the Scoobies latest adventures and experiences: binge drinking and college, substance abuse, homosexuality, and guys that make a game of seeing how many girls they can sleep with. We would often refer to Buffy as "educational programming," only half in jest. It is still a topic of discussion in phone calls and e-mails.
Whether some people like to admit it or not, things like depression and suscide are real. They happen. And both BTVS and Angel deal with it. So that's why I am proud of Buffy's new award. It's something to be proud of when a show can stand up and take on an issue without caring what the wackos say.
Buffy: I've seen too much now. I know what goes bump in the night. Not being able to fight it - what if I just hide under my bed, all scared and helpless...
Angel: Buffy. You couldn't be helpless or boring.
Not even if you tried.
-- "Helpless"
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