Buffy Bad: So say parents.
POSTED BY: Novagrass
UPDATED: Saturday, September 7, 2002 18:06
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They say 'family' tv.
But I have to ask myself, what is family tv?
IS family TV a 'safe' show, where the main theme is about family, love, peace, and whatever religion said family is of?
Or is family TV what the family watches together? A show in which all members of the family watch and enjoy?
I go with it being a show the family watches together which, are of the following: Angel, Buffy, Enterprise, Will & Grace, and Friends. (And probably Firefly once it starts.)
Those shows are my family's "family shows". Because we watch them together, as a family.
The reasons are as follow: Actually, there is none.
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I think that we can all guess what they mean by 'family tv', they're out for totally non-discript shows with no 'offensive' content.....
Anyone for 'Little House on the Prarie'?
I have to say I disagree with the ratings people, Buffy isn't aimed at kids, its aimed at teenagers who can make something more of a realism check.
I know its not unheard of for Teenagers to go off the rails but I happen to think that 'Power Rangers' has more of an influential age group that its working on!.... Is that still running in the US? I know it is here. 
Phil
"I'm not ashamed. It's the computer age. Nerds are in. They're still in, right?" -Willow
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Quote:"Family" in this context, is just a political buzzword. A way of justifying a repressive, intolerant social attitude. Nothing to do with anything in the real world.
Originally posted by HikariHeart:
They say 'family' tv.
But I have to ask myself, what is family tv?
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:Quote:"Family" in this context, is just a political buzzword. A way of justifying a repressive, intolerant social attitude. Nothing to do with anything in the real world.
Originally posted by HikariHeart:
But I have to ask myself, what is family tv?
I disagree. Children are NOT adults and should be shielded from some things in "the real world" until such time as they have the education to understand and chose. Keeping adult themes off the "Ghod Box" for a few hours in the evening does not seem unreasonable. If the networks are not interested in filling the time slot, just run a test pattern.
Jeff Timm
Who thinks people who cannot take responsibility call themselves "liberal." The effect on the Mendez brothers comes to mind.
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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Children are NOT adults and should be shielded from some things in "the real world" until such time as they have the education to understand and chose. Keeping adult themes off the "Ghod Box" for a few hours in the evening does not seem unreasonable. If the networks are not interested in filling the time slot, just run a test pattern.
I agree that children need family-friendly options. And there are. Tons. Attacking a few adult shows because they're on an hour earlier is misplaced ire, especially now that parents can block those types of programming.
--- Joe
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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Jeff Timm
Who thinks people who cannot take responsibility call themselves "liberal." The effect on the Mendez brothers comes to mind.
With conservatives charging that television is ruining children, or that metal and rap are ruining children, or that Clinton's foibles are ruining children, or that the absence of "under God" in the Pledge is ruining children, or that the absence of the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall is ruining children ... etc.,
I don't think conservatives have sole claim on the "Personal Responsibility" line.
--- Joe
Well, know. That was a bit political, wasn't it?
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Quote:And if "Parents TV" were about helping parents choose what their kids see, then you might have a point. But it's not. Their agenda is censorship, not parental control. They talk about bringing back the family hour, but they crusade against shows that are on late. They...
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
I disagree. Children are NOT adults and should be shielded from some things in "the real world" until such time as they have the education to understand and chose. Keeping adult themes off the "Ghod Box" for a few hours in the evening does not seem unreasonable. If the networks are not interested in filling the time slot, just run a test pattern.
Oh, I'm repeating myself. Jeff, if you want to dispute what I'm saying, respond to what I've already said. I enjoy a good argument, but I have no interest in arguing in circles.
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Originally posted by mojoeca:Quote:
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Jeff Timm
Who thinks people who cannot take responsibility call themselves "liberal." The effect on the Mendez brothers comes to mind.
With conservatives charging that television is ruining children, or that metal and rap are ruining children, or that Clinton's foibles are ruining children, or that the absence of "under God" in the Pledge is ruining children, or that the absence of the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall is ruining children ... etc.,
I don't think conservatives have sole claim on the "Personal Responsibility" line.
Well, know. That was a bit political, wasn't it?
Politics is human, unfortunately. At least someone is worried about cultural decay and the effect on society. Even the US Marines are worried about the lack of values in the current recruits. Scary.
Jeff Timm
Who is worried about the future.
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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
And if "Parents TV" were about helping parents choose what their kids see, then you might have a point. But it's not. Their agenda is censorship, not parental control. They talk about bringing back the family hour, but they crusade against shows that are on late. They...
Oh, I'm repeating myself. Jeff, if you want to dispute what I'm saying, respond to what I've already said. I enjoy a good argument, but I have no interest in arguing in circles.
Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me. There is NOTHING wrong with crusading against things you find objectionable. Censorship is often an excuse for excreble bad taste. If the purveyors of entertainment decide to change the shows, that remains up to them. If the Government wants to enforce standards on the public airwaves, that's all right. Pushing the envelope of public taste is perfectly all right, just check out Howard Stern on E! The ultimate control is to turn the box off, which people seem to be doing in droves.
Jeff Timm
Who believes in all three boxes required for freedom, soap, jury and cartridge.
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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Sorry, I'd forgotten your earlier comments, until you reminded me. There is NOTHING wrong with crusading against things you find objectionable. Censorship is often an excuse for excreble bad taste.
Well, first off, we weren't talking about censorship, we were talking about conservative groups (mis) use of the word "family".
But since you raise the issue, I might as well respond: Trying to dictate what other people can watch on television is wrong. Perhaps people have the right to control what their own families watch. But Parents TV is trying to control what everybody watches. It's true that they use legitimate political means to achieve their goals, but that doesn't change the fact that they're hypocritical, judgmental, and dangerously ignorant of the social issues they pretend to care about.
Your that "censorship is often an excuse" is pretty ironic in this context. It's perfectly true that a lot of pornographers, talentless hacks, and general idiots thoroughly abuse the first amendment. But that doesn't change the fact that free speech is funadmental right. No more than the abuse of that same right by Parents TV.
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