Realistically and objectivly: What has the Bush administration done right?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, June 12, 2006 17:21
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Hey Soupcatcher, thanks for getting me back on topic.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and postulate that you are a fan of Michael Lee Witt and the work he did as head of FEMA. 
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
A boss is always responsible for the performance of the people that he or she hires.
I could not agree more. I mentioned how it was positive that FEMA was being reorganized after Katrina. The fact that FEMA started to slide after Bush became president was never part of my original post. Under the pretext of Government being reactionary, I mentioned that FEMA 'broke' under Katrina and the current Bush administration
was now working towards fixing the problems and ensuring they never happen again.
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So Witt took an agency that was a discredit to the federal government and turned it into a credit to the federal government. All well and good. However, when Bush took over the Presidency he returned to the old way of appointing FEMA directors.
Well what did you expect from a Conservative? According to some on this board a Conservative is someone wanting to conserve the old ways.
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Here's the White House press release about this particular state of emergency:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html
Thanks for the link. There is a big difference between declaring an emergency and mobilizing.
I noticed the article stated that Brown put William Lokey in charge. I could not find any info on this guy in Wikipedia. What part did he play in the mismanagement of the response to Katrina?
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Quote:Snarky comments not withstanding, nice to see you can attack my position with a nice bitchy comment but not by actually discussing it with me.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Well what did you expect from a Conservative? According to some on this board a Conservative is someone wanting to conserve the old ways.
Probably because that's what a conservative is, someone who wants to conserve the current system, the clues in the name
.According to some on these boards liberals are evil Nazis that eat babies
.According to others everything bad that happens round here is my fault. Must be my evil Liberal mind control powers, some one should shoot me because I'm so evil, isn't that right?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wow, did this thread evolve into a personality confrontation!
I'm on holliday here in New York, and borrow a laptop to check on my thread, and all Heck's broke loose.
Props to you Citizen, you've kept your cool in the face of severe provocation. BDN is new, and obviously doesn't have the lay of the land. You've given him enormous slack, very generous.
To BigDamnNobody: Be thankful son, that Citizen isn't feeling particularly techy today, he's one of the best shots on this site. Could blow your head clean off if he aimed to.
Chrisisall Eastwood
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Hey Soupcatcher, thanks for getting me back on topic.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and postulate that you are a fan of Michael Lee Witt and the work he did as head of FEMA.
Heh. Yeah. I think it's more the case that I'm a fan of competence. The FEMA head is the kind of position that no one really hears anything about until they screw up. I knew pretty much nothing about Witt while he was director of FEMA but his name kept coming up after Katrina and all the stuff I read painted him in a good light. So I started reading more and came to the conclusion that he was one of those government superstars. They are few and far between but every so often the right person gets assigned to a job that fits them perfectly. And, instead of the stereotypical bureacracy, they turn their little domain into a well-oiled machine. Witt was one of those directors (imho).
Of course, as I mentioned previously, I am biased because of his professional background. Although it's too bad he isn't an engineer
. My personal belief is that government would run a whole lot better if engineers were in charge (it's been long enough since Herbert Hoover, we deserve a second chance - as long as it's not a chemical engineer, they're crazy).Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
A boss is always responsible for the performance of the people that he or she hires.
I could not agree more. I mentioned how it was positive that FEMA was being reorganized after Katrina. The fact that FEMA started to slide after Bush became president was never part of my original post. Under the pretext of Government being reactionary, I mentioned that FEMA 'broke' under Katrina and the current Bush administration
was now working towards fixing the problems and ensuring they never happen again.
The appointment of Paulison was definitely a step in the right direction (even if he was the one who released the "plastic sheet and duct tape" advisory - at least he is eminently qualified for the job). Having FEMA folded into DHS is a problem, in my opinion. It should be remade into a cabinet level position.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
So Witt took an agency that was a discredit to the federal government and turned it into a credit to the federal government. All well and good. However, when Bush took over the Presidency he returned to the old way of appointing FEMA directors.
Well what did you expect from a Conservative? According to some on this board a Conservative is someone wanting to conserve the old ways.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Thanks for the link. There is a big difference between declaring an emergency and mobilizing.
I noticed the article stated that Brown put William Lokey in charge. I could not find any info on this guy in Wikipedia. What part did he play in the mismanagement of the response to Katrina?
I don't know what part Lokey played in the response to Katrina. I vaguely remember the name from some testimony given to one of the House committees but it's not ringing any other bells.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wow, did this thread evolve into a personality confrontation!
I'm on holliday here in New York, and borrow a laptop to check on my thread, and all Heck's broke loose.
Props to you Citizen, you've kept your cool in the face of severe provocation. BDN is new, and obviously doesn't have the lay of the land. You've given him enormous slack, very generous.
To BigDamnNobody: Be thankful son, that Citizen isn't feeling particularly techy today, he's one of the best shots on this site. Could blow your head clean off if he aimed to.
Chrisisall Eastwood
Sorry Fella's. I guess if you 'mess' with one forsaken you 'mess' with all forsaken.
One question though. What does being new have to do with it? You do not want to come across as being too elitist now do you.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Snarky comments not withstanding, nice to see you can attack my position with a nice bitchy comment but not by actually discussing it with me.
I can honestly tell you that you did not even enter my mind when I typed out that comment. Please see my response to Soupcatcher about getting back on topic.
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According to others everything bad that happens round here is my fault. Must be my evil Liberal mind control powers, some one should shoot me because I'm so evil, isn't that right?
I really do not know if you are evil and the cause of all that is wrong in RWED. What do you think is wrong in RWED? Maybe you are a poor innocent soul who gets 'pushed' all the time in RWED for no good reason. Or maybe there are legitimate reasons why you seem to be singled out. I guess only you know the real answer. So I am going to take your advice and perhaps we can debate another topic in the future where you can 'rate' my debating skills against your own lofty skills.
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Quote:Naw, elitism is for Alliance dandys, we're all just folk here.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
One question though. What does being new have to do with it? You do not want to come across as being too elitist now do you.
I think it just takes a while to learn the different folk and their ways here. I got told to chill a few times when I was new, you know, came on a little strong and such. But that's the nature of families; a little snark and snippy sometimes, but it's all good.
Home on the range moon Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I think it just takes a while to learn the different folk and their ways here.
Live with a man forty years.
Share his house, his meals,
speak on every subject.
Then tie him up and hold him over the volcano's edge.
And on that day you will finally meet the man.
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lol, Well, hopefully it won't come to that in order to get to know each other....
And I'm keepin' my ear Chrisisall
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Quote:Uhuh.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I can honestly tell you that you did not even enter my mind when I typed out that comment.
Quote:I see you spend the last four or five posts attacking me for no reason and when you run out of accusations you want to stop playing and go back on topic. Fine.
Please see my response to Soupcatcher about getting back on topic.
Quote:Well apart from the recent encroachment of Trolls and demi-Trolls and their over-Troll PirateNews there's always, as Finn Mac Cumhal would say:
I really do not know if you are evil and the cause of all that is wrong in RWED. What do you think is wrong in RWED?
Also who decided that all these new people with their hate Finn and hate Citizen ‘tudes could come on this board? I don’t remember signing up for that.
Why what do you think is wrong and how is that my fault?
Quote:Yes there are, I'm a long time very well known poster on these boards, so I'm lit up like a Vegas bordello for Trolls. I can argue my case very effectively, so I'm someone to 'beat' and I've 'beaten' a fair few people so it just makes sense they'd be all manner of pissed off.
Or maybe there are legitimate reasons why you seem to be singled out.
As far as 'enemies' go though it's taken me a year to accumulate a couple, I see you've managed to get some in just a few months. Maybe there are legitimate reasons for that.
Quote:Good on you. Maybe next time you can 'rate' my worthiness as a human being against your own lofty worth.
So I am going to take your advice and perhaps we can debate another topic in the future where you can 'rate' my debating skills against your own lofty skills.
Oh no you've been doing that here, nevermind.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.
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