Realistically and objectivly: What has the Bush administration done right?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, June 12, 2006 17:21
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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 8, 2006 8:55 PM

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Originally posted by amIaLion:
I respect the fact that you want to try to have an open discussion about the Bush administration, but if you are going to praise those that agree with your politics and shoot down anybody that doesn't agree than why have a discussion at all?

I started this thread as a serious analysis of what good the Bush administration has done, and after two hours, my first poster was making sport of Bush. I then decided to just goof and have fun with it, because, in all seriousness, no case CAN be made for any real good to come specifically out of the present administration other than "I got a check" or "Things would have been worse under Kerry" or "We got Saddam" or "The economy is better"; it's all crap. Tired, fear-based garbage.
We are fighting a war doomed to limited success at best. We still let the CIA do black bag ops like the nonsense going on in Africa right NOW. Civil rights are a joke in as far as the administration can do as they please and call it what they like.
The children of this nation and others will pay the real price, and mindless security-addicts like yourself need to either not see it, or condone it as National Interest, and I cannot hold with that.

WATCH SERENITY AGAIN AND PAY ATTENTION!!!!!

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:06 PM

And in the spirit of this thread (I hope!) I just HAD to post this!

Flag Burning and Other Dubious Epidemics
Austin, Texas - Thank goodness the Republicans are around to tell me what to worry about. The flag-burning crisis - here in Austin, there's that pall of smoke rising from the west every morning (it's from an area called Tarrytown, where they burn hundreds of flags daily).

You didn't know hundreds of flags were being burned daily? Actually, you can count on your hand the number of incidents reported over the last five years. For instance, there was one flag burned in 2005 by a drunken teenager and one by a protester in California in 2002. This appalling record of ravishment must be stopped. You're clearly not worried about what matters.

Gay marriage, now there's a crisis. Well, OK, so there isn't much gay marriage going on here in Texas. None, in fact. First, we made it illegal. Then, we made it unconstitutional. But President Bush is all concerned about it, so I guess we have to alter the U.S. Constitution.

Gus and Captain Call (of "Lonesome Dove" fame) will be an item - with who knows who waiting in line right after them.

Also of great concern to Republicans is God Almighty, who, rather to my surprise, has been elected chairman of the Texas Republican Party. That's what they announced at the biannual convention in Fort Worth this week: "He is the chairman of the party." Sheesh, the Democrats couldn't even get Superman.

Also weighing down the nation with a heavy burden is the estate tax, which the Senate will try to repeal this week. The estate tax applies to around 1% of Americans, and I have yet to find any record of it costing anyone a family farm or business. It affects only very, very, very rich people, of whom you are probably not one. And they don't, actually, need another tax break.

These are the things we are supposed to be worrying about, and you notice that it frees us of quite a few troubles we might otherwise fret about.

The war in Iraq? No sweat.

War with Iran? We're carefree.

The economy? Hey, did you see that employment report? Well, ignore it.

Budget out of control, shipwreck ahead? Never mind - Bush doesn't. Worst class divisions since the Gilded Age, rich so much more enormously richer than everybody else, country starting to get creepy? Don't worry, be happy. Torture, massacre, extraordinary rendition, hidden gulag of prisons in foreign countries, Guantanamo and massive violations of international law, American law and the Constitution? Well, you can see why gay marriage is a far greater menace.

Wipe out for the environment; hundreds of regulations and laws changed to favor those who exploit and damage natural resources; all so common no one is keeping track of them all? Let her rip.

Global warming? In the first place, it's Al Gore's issue. In the second place, it's a downer. In the third place, who cares if it's too late in a few years?

Homeland security/war on terror? With the highly excellent disposition of anti-terror funds once more judiciously applied by the Department of Homeland Security, we truly have nothing to worry about. We're ready to stop terrorist attacks in Wyoming, and there are no important cultural sites in New York City, so let's rock.

Oil crisis? Ha! What oil crisis? You want a $100 rebate you can then give the oil companies? Hey, we're going to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and that should see us through ... oh, about nine months.

Windfall profits? You think the oil companies are ripping us off for windfall profits? Who? Exxon Mobil? Why, they would never!

I believe what we have here is a difference over moral values.

The Republicans are worried about the flag, gay marriage and the terrible burden of the estate tax on the rich. The rest of us are obviously unnecessarily worried about war, peace, the economy, the environment and civilization. Another reason to vote Republican - they have a shorter list.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:18 PM

Thanks for bringing it back to the lighter side, Signy, I lost sight of the funny for a moment. Which reminds me...

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Also of great concern to Republicans is God Almighty, who, rather to my surprise, has been elected chairman of the Texas Republican Party. That's what they announced at the biannual convention in Fort Worth this week: "He is the chairman of the party." Sheesh, the Democrats couldn't even get Superman.

Superman can turn back time, our dear and fluffy Lord can't. I'd go with Supes, baby. I'll have my peeps call his peeps.

Chrisisall, a peeps person

AMIALION

Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
The one that prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour had both a huge isolationist and a huge pro-Nazi movement, but not so much with the "let's help our struggling allies" movement. Therefore if the government had gone to war before the change of public opinion that would have been undemocratic (remembering that America still didn't declare war on Germany, Germany declared war on America ).

Why which America are you talking about?

Ahhh...you must be referring to the America First movement headed by two raving anti-Semites Charles Lindberg and Henry Ford. It was not a "huge pro-Nazi movement" like you claim but more along the lines of Anti-semitism. First off the majority of Americans disliked the Nazis. The isolationism came from the hardships created by the Great Depression. A fortune magazine poll from 1939 shows that 85% of Americans wanted to see Britain and France win because they realized that Nazi Germany would eventually threaten the United States. Before Pearl Harbor, the United States still sent pilots, ammunition, and other supplies to England. If there was such a huge pro-Nazi movement like you say, then there is no way that Roosevelt, who was so susceptible to public opinion, would have continued to allow aid to be sent to the British. If there was such a huge pro-Nazi movement, then people would not have been lining up at the recruiting office for their chance to kill Japanese who was allied with Germany. You need to read more history books. Please don't spew that revisionist history crap and actually do some research if you want to discuss history.

AMIALION

Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

The children of this nation and others will pay the real price, and mindless security-addicts like yourself need to either not see it, or condone it as National Interest, and I cannot hold with that.

WATCH SERENITY AGAIN AND PAY ATTENTION!!!!!

I never ever said that I agreed with everything that Bush has done. Your forum asked if there was anything 'objectively' that the Bush Administration has done right and I attempted to answer that question without bashing the Bush Administration which is so convenient for those who can provide no alternative solutions. Trust me, there are plenty of things about the Bush administration that I don't like, but I have tried to point out what good, if anything, has come out of the last four years. I don't remember when this country's interest in politics, particularly the younger generation has been so high. Personally, I see that as a positive and if you read my post again, you will see that is one of positives I am trying to point out.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:46 PM

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Originally posted by amIaLion:

Trust me, there are plenty of things about the Bush administration that I don't like, but I have tried to point out what good, if anything, has come out of the last four years. I don't remember when this country's interest in politics, particularly the younger generation has been so high.

Fair enough. I tend to shoot from the hip.

Mindless conspiracy-addict Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Thursday, June 8, 2006 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by amIaLion:
You need to read more history books. Please don't spew that revisionist history crap and actually do some research if you want to discuss history.

Right back at ya you revisionist elitist monkey

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America first was the foremost pressure group against the war and was far from small time.

"The Japanese have a right to Hawaii. I would rather be in this war on the side of Germany than on the side of the British." Ellis Jones, speaking at a National Copperheads meeting, a group with strong ties to the America First Committee.
We must get ready for the next attack which must be made upon this communistic administration. Horace Haase of America First.

But actually I was also thinking of the German American Bund (not heard of that? you can read about it in those history books we've been talking about) which was hardly a small time movement.

Or maybe you'd like to talk about the Order of 76?

Or perhaps you'd prefer to discuss the Silver Shirts?

The Christian Mobilizers maybe?

Or there's the 1930's Republican party that employed many Nazi's high up in the national and state Republican party organisations. The Republican party of the time also had many links to the Nazi party in Germany.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

RUE

Thursday, June 8, 2006 11:25 PM

You know ChrisIsAll,

That post about Jesus v Superman got me to thinking.

Jesus' miracles were homey - turning water into wine, multiplying loaves and fishes, healing and driving out demons, raising from the dead. In that culture, Roman rulers had been said to have had those powers for several centuries.

Time travel and turning back time weren't even concepts until the last couple of hundred years, as far as I know. You'd think that if Jesus really was all knowing, he'd have performed a more sophisticated, multi-cultural, multi-temporal suite of wonders. As it is, his works come across as provincial.

Waiting for the thunderbolt.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 9, 2006 12:59 AM

Aw c'mon. Jesus was a homey kind of guy. And besides, if he had done the time travel thing it wouldn't have been understood by the locals- not even Judas. You know, it's like how the religious literalists paper over Biblical inconsistencies- God only reveals you what you can understand at the time. Enlightenment is on a "need to know" basis!

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If I'm not here tomorrow you'll know the thunderbolt got me!

RUE

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:10 AM

I realize your response is tongue-in-cheek and so you're not looking for a serious reply.

But this is still bugging me. When you think about it, if he wanted to leave a message to the next few hundred generations, he could have done something not quite explicable to the natives at the time, but completely awesome to the future. As he was all-knowing, what to do would have been easy to figure out.

As it is, his miracles seem shabby, dusty, and provincial.

Once they've been to the city, you can't keep 'em down on the farm.

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