Saffron's techniques

POSTED BY: PhoenixRose
UPDATED: Thursday, June 15, 2006 15:19
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PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, June 1, 2006 7:17 AM

I was just rewatching Our Mrs Reynolds and I noticed something about the seduction techniques she used on Mal and Wash, respectively. They were very different. Her "good bible" that she used to entice Mal had no mention of pleasure for the woman, while the "good myth" she told Wash was all about a "she" i.e. massive amounts of pleasure for a woman, while not really mentioning male pleasure.
Do you think that says anything about the characters?

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CALHOUN

Thursday, June 1, 2006 7:55 AM

I think possibly you're looking too deep.. could be i'm wrong.

Saffrons techniques woulda worked on me, way, way too easily.

SINGATE

Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:06 AM

The only "techniques" she needed were located about a foot beneath her chin.

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PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:11 AM

Here I was expecting people to maybe have a discussion. My bad.

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SCORPIONREGENT

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I was just rewatching Our Mrs Reynolds and I noticed something about the seduction techniques she used on Mal and Wash, respectively. They were very different. Her "good bible" that she used to entice Mal had no mention of pleasure for the woman, while the "good myth" she told Wash was all about a "she" i.e. massive amounts of pleasure for a woman, while not really mentioning male pleasure.
Do you think that says anything about the characters?

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Interesting concept, I always thought that she used more overt methods on her "husband", while saving the more subtle approach for someone else's. Even if she doesn't mention her pleasure in the "good bible" spiel Yosafbrig does speak to her own wants and interest ie. Mal being the guy she wants as a physical specimen. Granted it was all a lie any ways, but sometimes lies can tell more about a person than the truth. With her doubly so because you just aren't gong to get anything else. That's one of the reasons I though she was one of the best villians in the series. She had so much potential for later discovery. I always wanted to know more about her. It was that irony that Mal put into words about never expecting to see her naked.

Scorpion Regent

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:
Interesting concept, I always thought that she used more overt methods on her "husband", while saving the more subtle approach for someone else's. Even if she doesn't mention her pleasure in the "good bible" spiel Yosafbrig does speak to her own wants and interest ie. Mal being the guy she wants as a physical specimen. Granted it was all a lie any ways, but sometimes lies can tell more about a person than the truth. With her doubly so because you just aren't gong to get anything else. That's one of the reasons I though she was one of the best villians in the series. She had so much potential for later discovery. I always wanted to know more about her. It was that irony that Mal put into words about never expecting to see her naked.

Scorpion Regent

I always thought that, too, the more subtle approach being for the one she wasn't "married" to; but I've thought more and more about Inara's comment about her schooling. Companions are trained to read people and give them what they want most, right? So her initial seduction (good point about her going on to say she personally wanted Mal) of both of them kinda struck me this last time. One of the things I love about watching this show; it's like an onion and I see some new possibility every time I rewatch it and peel away a layer.
And come to think of it, if she did have Companion training, how did she end up where she was? Hmmmmmm...

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SCORPIONREGENT

Thursday, June 1, 2006 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:
Interesting concept, I always thought that she used more overt methods on her "husband", while saving the more subtle approach for someone else's. Even if she doesn't mention her pleasure in the "good bible" spiel Yosafbrig does speak to her own wants and interest ie. Mal being the guy she wants as a physical specimen. Granted it was all a lie any ways, but sometimes lies can tell more about a person than the truth. With her doubly so because you just aren't gong to get anything else. That's one of the reasons I though she was one of the best villians in the series. She had so much potential for later discovery. I always wanted to know more about her. It was that irony that Mal put into words about never expecting to see her naked.

Scorpion Regent

I always thought that, too, the more subtle approach being for the one she wasn't "married" to; but I've thought more and more about Inara's comment about her schooling. Companions are trained to read people and give them what they want most, right? So her initial seduction (good point about her going on to say she personally wanted Mal) of both of them kinda struck me this last time. One of the things I love about watching this show; it's like an onion and I see some new possibility every time I rewatch it and peel away a layer.
And come to think of it, if she did have Companion training, how did she end up where she was? Hmmmmmm...

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My guess is that she left the training house before her training was completed, either dropped out or was expelled, or she was a companion and left the profession when she dicovered it interfered with her being a sociopath. Perhaps she faked her own death to make a clean break. That's why I love her character, the possibilities. She 's a bad one no doubt, but that's kind of sexy.

Scorpion Regent

NUCLEARDAY

Thursday, June 1, 2006 1:00 PM

Yeah, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing a return of Saffron if (WHEN! :) we get some more stories in the 'verse.

Insofar as what her seduction methods tell about the characters: I think you may have hit on something, but I'd be at a loss to figure out just what it might represent between Mal, Inara, and Wash. IIRC, Joss mentions in the commentary for Objects in Space that the methods Early uses to overpower the crew say something about their characters. Think he also says that it wasn't something he had planned out in advanced, but something his wife had noticed about it after the fact?

Anyways, might be the same thing here?

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KPO

Thursday, June 1, 2006 1:27 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I was just rewatching Our Mrs Reynolds and I noticed something about the seduction techniques she used on Mal and Wash, respectively. They were very different. Her "good bible" that she used to entice Mal had no mention of pleasure for the woman, while the "good myth" she told Wash was all about a "she" i.e. massive amounts of pleasure for a woman, while not really mentioning male pleasure.
Do you think that says anything about the characters?

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Yes I do - as you say, companions are trained to read people - although, I wouldn't reduce it to them just being selfish/unselfish lovers. I suspect if our saffron had used the wrong routine on each person it may not have worked in either case.

I think YoSaffBridge could've used either routine on me successfully. Do you think this says something about my character?

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 1, 2006 1:40 PM

PhoenixRose,
I always thought her situation was similar to Nandi's...she had the training, but decided against the rigid "controls" of a Companion. Saffron decided to use her feminine wiles to better herself financially, but in a different way than Nandi. Whereas Nandi used sex alone for a living, Saffron used it to lower defenses and gain access to much more than just the price of a "roll in the hay". I also think that while both of them enjoyed their professions, Saffron enjoyed destroying people as well. Not that she was a killer or anything, just that when she was done with someone, they would have to spend awhile regaining themselves; financially, emotionally, etc.
As far as the techniques used, I will have to watch that episode again (darn!) and look a little closer at that. I did notice that she mentioned bible with Mal, and myth with Wash. Considering Mal's dislike of religion, I thought that was a weird choice.

Alright, I think I am done for now...hope I added something to the discussion.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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