Saffron's techniques

POSTED BY: PhoenixRose
UPDATED: Thursday, June 15, 2006 15:19
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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, June 12, 2006 5:27 AM

Ok, then. It is patronizing and a bit insulting. I can pretty easily say the Bible is not really my friend. Yes, there are several people who are vocal about women being responsible for all the suffering in the world and our fall from grace. They are also not my friend.

And I was referring to Lilith. Commonly edited out, she was considered to be Adam's first wife. She was thrown out because she would not obey him, and became the mother of the Succubi; sex demons. At least, that's how I understand it.

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KPO

Monday, June 12, 2006 6:51 PM

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It is patronizing and a bit insulting. I can pretty easily say the Bible is not really my friend.

Because of its views on women? Indeed. At least it values them as human beings though - and quite likely more than the society in which it was written.

I like the bible - the christian message and christian philosophy. Except for one or two contentious and offensive bits I think it is an insightful, compassionate and hopeful message for mankind - although a bit harsh on those who reject it... What ruins it for me is that I just don't think it's all true.

I think the type of music that resonates with a person is a good measure of where their soul is at, and interestingly, I'm still a sucker for christian music.

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And I was referring to Lilith. Commonly edited out, she was considered to be Adam's first wife. She was thrown out because she would not obey him, and became the mother of the Succubi; sex demons. At least, that's how I understand it.

Yeah, i hadn't heard of this lady until an episode of stargate (or something) recently. I suspect it's more of an old jewish myth/morality tale. Even the catholics don't have her in their bible - i don't think it was ever seriously included in scripture. I could be wrong though.

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM

Hey all,

This thread has gone in a slightly different direction since I saw it last, but I was thinking about it yesterday and came up with an idea that I wanted to share.

I think Saffron was playing Mal like a sport fish.

She wasn't trying to get Mal to have sex at first. She had a few days during which she needed Serenity to keep flying the direction it was flying; she was stalling. She needed to keep the crew occupied, and did it in the way that amused her most. She was deliberately getting Mal hot and bothered -- thinking about sex by having boobs (as a previous poster pointed out) and indicating she would be a willing partner, but also making him _not_ want to have sex by being sweet and innocent and helpless. She turned the sexual tension up and down, sometimes just being interested in Mal as a person, sometimes suggesting (again) that she was willing to get physically intimate. The initial behaviour wasn't actually intended to seduce Mal, it was to keep him distracted.

When it was actually time to put Mal out of commission, that's when she really tried to make Mal want to have sex, and she basically succeeded. She showed up naked in his bunk, declared explicitly there were no valid moral objections, and stopped being helpless ("If I am wed, I am a woman, and I'll take your leave to be bold" and "Had I dared to choose, I would choose you" and "I swell to think of you in me" and "I'll make my own way with the strength you've given me, but give me my wedding night!").

That was the turn on for Mal -- an attractive, intelligent female who knows her own mind. And that's when she reeled him in :)

The business with Wash and Inara, I think, showed she had the right instincts, but just not enough time. Those approaches would have worked, I think, or at least come pretty darn close, but she needed at least the same amount of time she used on Mal to make them work with Wash and Inara.

Anyway, just my two cents,

Indigo S.

MSG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:19 PM

I don't think she's trying to seduce Inara. I think she's carefully evaluated each crew member for their weaknesses and every good con artist knows there are some who aren't con-able. So I think at first she's not sure whether Inara has a weapon and she's blwoing smoke to get Inara to hesitate and then she continues blowing smoke to see Inara's reaction and give herself enough time to form a plan to get past Inara:)

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

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