Angry liberal guy rant

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REAVERMAN

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here.

I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.

I'm sorry AU, but that is BS of the highest order. Under normal curcumstances, you would be correct, but those are tax breaks, for Christ's sake! They make congress look good, and whatever makes congress look good, congress will do. The only effort it took was having someone write up the proposal, and then signing the act.

As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:18 PM

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* AURaptor posted: Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!

You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...

It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.

Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…

No vitriol? Here's your reply to ONE post -

Suggesting I drink beer on the couch while watching (fox news/trashy cable t.v.) as a daily routine.

You claim I frequent neo nazi/ minority hate group sites.

You suggest I should see a psychatrist

Now, the facts : I rarely even WATCH t.v. , but when I do, its generally sports, the Sci Fi channel, History Channel, or something along those lines. Hardly anything 'trashy'. One need not watch cable news for more than 10 minutes, because all they do is just repeat the same stuff over and over. CNN, FOX, it doesn't matter. The Weather Channel has more impact on my life than does FOX NEWS.

Neo Nazi sites? I might have been to one, just to see how disturbed and sad those folks are. But leave it to you to take the broad swipe and accuse me of being racists. It's all you've got.

Funny how YOU describe me as how YOU really are. Maybe that's your own psych's speak coming out in you again. How long has it been since your last session?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:24 PM

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As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.

They favor the 'rich' because the 'rich' were paying far too much in taxes in the 1st place. If you're going to CUT taxes, you can't cut taxes on folks who aren't paying taxes in the 1st place! Fact 2, is that the US has INCREASED its revenue that it receive from all taxes. How's that again? Yep. Tax cuts actually stimulated the economy and INCREASED the amount of $$ raised by the Gov't via taxes. It's not the tax cuts that are the cause of the deficit, but the excessive spending. Thank Bush FOR the tax cuts, or we'd be in a worse situation . ( Granted, a situating he helped create w/ his expansion of the Fed Gov't. But ALL of Congress share the blame there, not just W. )

Yes, the rich continue to do what has gotten them rich in the first place. They always will. That's called Freedom.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.

Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?

They care nothing for us.

Watch Serenity Chrisisall

Certainly you aren't comparing what P.Kennedy did to what happened w/ Dick Cheney, are you?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

EMMARIGBY

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:28 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).

I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue. There's a great deal of demagoguing going on here, and fanning the flames of discontent. The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers

Actually, I'd prefer to keep talking (and drinking) with people who are willing to address the problems of the world and what we can do about them!

Yes, as I said, the Kyoto Protocol has some problems. I personally agree that developing nations should not be totally exempt (although saying they cannot industrialise at all does seem a little condescending!). However I do feel quite strongly that it is at least a start to addressing this problem and the American administration's refusal to ratify does feel very arrogant and selfish to me.

So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.

President Bush's chief climate adviser, James Connaughton, has said he doesn't believe anyone can forecast a safe level (ignoring all the scientific research that has predicted safe levels and absolutely proven that the current levels will be disastrous) and cutting greenhouse gas emissions could harm the world economy.

Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world! We have started to in the UK, it's called Carbon Trading and people can be penalised for polluting above the acceptable limit.

This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!

REAVERMAN

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:29 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue... The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

I'm going to have to disagree with you again here, AU. Did you ever consider that to fix what we (primarily) have done, that we might have to make sacrifices for the sake of our children and grandchildren? Apparently not (that is where the "arrogant and selfish" part comes in).

As for turning a blind eye to other nations, did you ever think that maybe that was because they are really, really low on the priority list for emitions? Even Chna, rapidly industrializing without much concern for environmental consequences, doesn't put off nearly as much pollution as the US. The last I heard, there was something like 14-15 million cars on the road in China. Compare that to the US's 180 million, and you see my point.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:33 PM

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Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world!

I don't buy into the hysteria. You do. This 'saving the world ' business really does pull at one's heart strings, but it's a bunch of hooey,imo.

( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )

Cheers.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

REAVERMAN

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:34 PM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.

That's because the US government is owned by the highest bidder. Right now, that happens to be folks who profit from maintaining the current system.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )

Maybe you should pay a little more attention to that snapshot. Throughout the Earth's history, the climate does shift. The average temperature will rise and fall by about 1 degree celsius in a century. In the last 100 years, the average temp. rose by 7 degrees celsius. That right there should tell you that something is wrong. The fact that the exponential growth of the problem coincides with the exponential growth of industrial pollution should be some clue as to the cause.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:41 PM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!

I totally concur, EmmaRigby.

Chrisisall

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