US Border Patrol gives Minutemen locations to Mexican Gov't. !!
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UPDATED: Monday, May 15, 2006 13:40
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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Beyond Borders - Special Report on Immigration
While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are.
According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.
"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.
"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."
Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.
"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."
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I wish this was from Piratenews or some such, but this is an actual REAL news story folks. The Border Patrol is shirking its duty and selling out her own citizens to a foreign Gov't.
Unfuckingbelieveable. 
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Wow.
When I read the title, I was going to say something like, "They probably don't want the Mexican government to be nervous about the accumulation of armed folks along the border."
But that's not it at all.
This is wicked weird and seems wrong to me. Is the Mexican government seriously demanding status updates on how illegal aliens are apprehended as they illegally cross the border?
If it is a concern for Mexico, one would think they'd... You know... Prevent the illegal border crossings.
And we are complying with this request?
It boggles the mind.
Can you say "We need to know how and when to get our mules across?"
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It does boggle the mind and I hope to hell that this doesn't get swept under the rug like Patrick Kennedy's DUI.
Our fathers and grandfathers didn't defeat the Germans just so George W Bush could surrender to the Mexicans!!
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I hope we can all agree that, if there is violence committed against a citizen of Mexico, we should report who committed the violence to the Mexican consulate. So, leaving that part aside, that leaves us with the question of whether or not we should report to the Mexican consulate the involvement of non-Border Patrol people in the apprehension of Mexican citizens.
Link to original article (from the 9 May 2006 issue of the Daily Bulletin in Ontario, California): http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653
Links to the documents referenced in the article:
(11 April 2005) http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte1.htm
(4 May 2005) http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte2.htm
(2 August 2005) http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte3.htm
From the article, it sounds like there is an agreement in place that the Border Patrol will notify the Mexican consulate if a non-Border Patrol group is involved in the apprehension. But later in the article Border Patrol agents say they have been asked to report the location of all groups but not put the name of the group in the reports. So there's some ambiguity in my mind about exactly what information is being reported. The three reports that are referenced are status reports from mid 2005 on the activities in various states. Most of this information could be gleaned from news reports released by the groups themselves. About the only one that looks like it required a transfer of information from US to Mexican officials is the group at the end of the Daily Bulletin article. So, given that these documents have been around for more than half a year and can't be considered current, I have to wonder why the buzz now. It looks to me like these groups are ramping up for another round of trying-to-get-as-much-positive-media-attention-as-possible going in to the summer months.
Just some random notes:
Now that Chris Simcox has hired himself a DC based public relations firm and changed his wardrobe you have to figure that every statement out of his mouth is about as sincere and accurate as those made by DC politicians. He's come a long way from when he was claiming that Chinese troops were wearing Mexican uniforms and using American equipment along the border. (edited to add: At least back then you didn't doubt his sincerity, just his accuracy)
It looks like Jim Gilchrist, Minuteman founder and candidate for public office, had a "don't ask don't tell" policy for supremacists who worked on his campaign. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=610
What these groups say on camera and off camera are, shockingly, two different things. A Phoenix TV station sent some reporters undercover and found that there may a bit more racism involved than organizers would like you to believe. http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4830062 One of my favorite passages, "Members of Minuteman of One have a controversial M-O. They carry assault rifles when they're out on patrol, they don't hesitate to follow migrants or smugglers and they've been known to 'confiscate' food, water and the luggage they come across." Hey! To the victor go the spoils, baby. I can see the recruiting slogan now, "All the loot you can confiscate."
As always, the best place for learning about the ties between the Minutemen and white supremacist groups and the attempt to cloak their bigotry in terms more acceptable to mainstream America is at David Neiwert's place: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
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The Plan of San Diego was a treaty between the Germans and Mexico to invade USA during World War 1. Prescott Bush was arrested 3 times and paid a $750,000 forfeiture for arming Nazi Germany during World War 2. Jr Bush is 3rd cousin to the German Queen of England, who merged her Canadaian British Commonwealth with USA and Mexico via NAFTA SHAFTA slave contract. Bushes are by definition traitors to USA.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Our fathers and grandfathers didn't defeat the Germans just so George W Bush could surrender to the Mexicans!!
AURaptor, I'm surprised. You seem to be channeling PN here. I agree with you that this is a serious problem, but this isn't a war. Migrants aren't coming here to ruin our country or bring down the government or somesuch. They are just people who, like most people, don't think long term. What they see are greener pastures than what they have at home. Most don't (or refuse to) see that what they are doing will eventually bring this country to its knees economically.
Basically, I agree with your facts, but take issue with your tone. We must never forget that if the shoe was on the other foot, it would be millions of illegal American immigrants fleeing across the border.
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Yeah, reaverman, I think that is what ticks me off the most about groups like the Minutemen. They're taking the easy way out by race-based scapegoating of those at the bottom. There are ways to talk about the illegal immigration problem without resorting to an appeal to nativism. Here's one: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/03/immigration-conundrum.html
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It does boggle the mind and I hope to hell that this doesn't get swept under the rug like Patrick Kennedy's DUI.
Well, if by swept under the rug you mean make the front page of a major newspaper, be on every news channel, and make every internet news site I frequent, like Kennedy was, I don't think it'll get that much coverage.
I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion Kennedy's wreck was "swept under the rug." It was everywhere; it got more coverage than the current 'Hookergate' is getting (bribery and political corruption involving prostitution is getting a pass? How is that even possible?).
Besides, Kennedy came forward, said he had a problem and needs help, and is getting treatment. That makes him a bad guy? The reason Rush gets demonized is that he won't do the same, after years of calling drug users the scum of the earth.
But wait, I forget - you come at it from the perspective that you can get drunk, shoot someone in the face, cover it up for 18 hours, then lie about it and still be the darling of the right. It's party over country with some of you.
Sorry for the threadjack, but I just don't get the extreme right's hypocrisy. Clinton was demonized for smoking pot in college; Bush gets a free pass for his coke use 'because it was in the past.' Rush is considered 'under attack' for his drug use (and comitting fraud), after he spent years calling for harsher penalties; Kennedy gets in an accident, admits he has a problem and seeks help - but he's the devil.
Help me out here.
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I have flipped, flopped, and flipped on this issue and I can't honestly say that I won't flop again.
FLIP
On the one hand, I have sympathy for the immigrants. The one nation that we didn't invade or occupy (Costa Rica) is the one nation that's doing OK. So not only did we do a great job screwing Central and South America economically, we also made it impossible for their citizens to fix things internally.
FLOP
On the other hand, allowing illegals in for the benefit of business pretty much screws over our middle class as well. It's no different than Microsoft bringing in bunch of cheap Indian software engineers under B1/B2 visas. The presence of a large amount of cheap labor in ANY market will depress wages.
FLIP
But if illegals had some legal standing, they could oragnize into unions and be better able represent themselves.
FLOP
Except when it comes to issues like Federal and state minimum wages. Without political representation, the people most directly affected (minimum wage earners) will be unable to change policy.
FLIP
But if the minimum wage was raised, would it simply drive more people into the underground (nanny, day laborer) economy?
FLOP
On the other hand, many illegals are paying into a social security system that they will never draw from.
AND ALSO
What I find is that many immigrants are willing to work hard but are poorly trained. It tends to drive experts out of the business because nobody wants to pay for a job well done. So we have half-assed HVAC installations and half-assed auto repairs (I once got a car back with a loose tie rod). Even with the best of intentions it takes a generation or two to bring people up to a modern industiualized economy.
The other thing I find worrisome about the imported culture is the acceptance of day to day corruption. It's not the Bush & Co aren't corrupt, it's just that you don't have to pay off your neigborhood cop every day just to not get rousted. A friend's son went Mexico over spring break with a group of friends, and two of them were shaken down for money- one by the police and one by a club owner. $70 seems to be the going payoff.
I really don't know the answer altho I acknowledge it's a complicated issue.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Yeah, reaverman, I think that is what ticks me off the most about groups like the Minutemen. They're taking the easy way out by race-based scapegoating of those at the bottom.
And I agree with you here. I think they are just racists who are getting away with it by calling themselves 'patriots.' It's nothing more than vigilantism anyway, and I think it's an amazing stroke of luck that nothing bad has happened yet with them.
One of these days they are going to run into drug runners, or have a mix-up with US border patrol agents, or (God forbid) Mexican agents, and someone's going to get killed. They want to play Rambo, and I worry that there's going to be consequences.
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