Bring the Troops Home...and then??
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Thursday, May 4, 2006 08:10
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Originally posted by Crajon:
If you want to bring the troops home then let them win agaist the terrorist. Support the troops, do not criticize what goes on there. Have protest in support of the troops, do not protest agaist them.
They're not going to win, ever. "Terrorists" is an incredibly vague term. There are terrorists all over the world, but for whatever reason our current administration decided to fight the terrorists that were essentially nonexistant in Iraq prior to the start of the war.
Furthermore, when I protest the war, I blast the administration and the higher ups that sent the troops there. I don't protest the soldiers that were sent out on a futile quest, I protest the bastards that sent them. I have some level of respect for people who are willing to fight for something they don't necessarily believe in. I certainly wouldn't.
And as a quick question, how would one "protest in support of the troops"?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does anyone remember Cambodia, and the Khmer Rouge ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
If by remember you mean studied a bit in class and saw the movie "The Killing Fields", then yes.
But I'm not entirely sure I see the connection and/or parallel . . .
(not trying to be bitch,,,just kinda drunk and confused at the moment)
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Originally posted by Sassalicious:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does anyone remember Cambodia, and the Khmer Rouge ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
If by remember you mean studied a bit in class and saw the movie "The Killing Fields", then yes.
But I'm not entirely sure I see the connection and/or parallel . . .
(not trying to be bitch,,,just kinda drunk and confused at the moment)
I think the point he was trying to make is that there are in effect two kinds of civil war, limited civil war and genocidal civil war. The US Civil War was brutal but it was limited, nobody "clensed" the South of Confederates after the war was over. The Khmer Rouge slaughtered millions of their own people, they make the Nazi's look like rank amateurs.
You could envisage a situation where someone like Sadar gets assasinated and his militia ethnically clense the south of all Sunni's or a future Shiite state decides Sunni insurgency can only be solved by removing those Sunni villiages that harbour them --- permainently.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:Quote:
Originally posted by Sassalicious:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does anyone remember Cambodia, and the Khmer Rouge ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
If by remember you mean studied a bit in class and saw the movie "The Killing Fields", then yes.
But I'm not entirely sure I see the connection and/or parallel . . .
(not trying to be bitch,,,just kinda drunk and confused at the moment)
I think the point he was trying to make is that there are in effect two kinds of civil war, limited civil war and genocidal civil war. The US Civil War was brutal but it was limited, nobody "clensed" the South of Confederates after the war was over. The Khmer Rouge slaughtered millions of their own people, they make the Nazi's look like rank amateurs.
You could envisage a situation where someone like Sadar gets assasinated and his militia ethnically clense the south of all Sunni's or a future Shiite state decides Sunni insurgency can only be solved by removing those Sunni villiages that harbour them --- permainently.
I get it now. Thank you.
Off to bed for me.
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Originally posted by Sassalicious:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does anyone remember Cambodia, and the Khmer Rouge ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
If by remember you mean studied a bit in class and saw the movie "The Killing Fields", then yes.
But I'm not entirely sure I see the connection and/or parallel . . .
(not trying to be bitch,,,just kinda drunk and confused at the moment)
The parawell I see is that is in Cambodia the US helped overthrow a stable government that wasn't kissing their ass without much of a plan to replace it with anything else.... and vacuum equal s Pol Pot...
The same lack of endgame and lack of will is showing itself in Iraq...
You can't walk away, and it will become your undoing....
The people that have been fighting your foreign policy for decades have finally fiqured out that they can't beat you directly, they have to create the situation where you play to lose...
and the US is in the biggest zugzwang of all time
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Plastic Hummers are NOT combat vehicles
www.david-sadler.org
200,000 DEAD US Gulf War soldiers, so far.
500,000 disabled US vets, so far.
50% US Gulf War casualty rate.
1.7-million genocided Iraqis.
$4.5-Trillion looted from Pentagon CAFR pension funds since 2001.
White House armed Iraq before, during, and "after" the 15-year Gulf War, just like USA armed Vietnam, Korea and Nazi Germany.
Sir Donald Rumsfeld Jewish Knight of
the British Empire selling WMDs to Saddam
Pentagon's Operation Northwoods paid enemy soldiers to attack US troops, and paid Israel to sink USS Liberty.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
Iraqi car bombs killing US troops are cars stolen in USA.
Bushes bombed USA on 9/11/2001.
7,000 US citizens are genocided in Death Camps every day in USA.
80-million US citizens Holocausted in USA since US Supreme Court legalized genocide with Roe v Wade in 1973.
US border is undefended.
30-million criminal terrorists are rioting in USA to celebrate their successful invasion and Civil War on Monday, May 1 (Communist May Day and birthdate of Bavarian Illuminati led by Jewish professor Weishopt).
The New World Odor shadow dictatorship is in control.
Suckers.
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Dr Doug Rocce
www.traprockpeace.org/depleted_uranium.html
Capt Joyce Riley RN
www.thepowerhour.com
www.gulfwarvets.com
Pirate News
www.geocities.com/pentagonwhistleblower
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Rense Radio
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Infowars Radio
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September 911 Surprise
www.september911surprise.com
Wash: Grenades?
Zoe: Yes. Thank you Dear.
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Here's a wild-assed idea...
We could say "Hey China -your turn!".
They're hungry for oil, and have about 30 million
men who have no prospects for marriage (not enough
females). They'd demand first dibs on all Iraqi
oil, but hey -share and share alike, I say.
I have no doubt they could establish order there in no-time.
Sad fact is though, "we" have no intention of
pulling out. We have how many permanent military
bases there? 14? Had to put them somewhere after
the Saudis kicked us out of their oh-so-holy land.
Really sucks we're going to scrap
like dogs for the last barrels of a resource that
should have been obsolete by now... I just pity
our soldiers. IMO, the protests are about 4 years too late.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Assuming the Iraqi army is fully manned and operational by next Tuesday and the 'insurgents' all get bored and go away by the following Thursday we could possibly start a staged withdrawal in the next few months.
But back to reality Allied troops are still stationed in Germany, after 60 years. JHQ Rheindahlen is still the largest allied military base in Europe.
I don't see a short term withdrawal as particularly likely.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
Hey now, we ARE starting a massive pull-out of Germany
Out of Iraq in 2067!One day.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.
On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://www.serenityday.org/
Little or no free time, but want to help?
Help Spread the Signal: http://www.geocities.com/browncoatsignalcorps
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Sooo, 2063 for Iraq then?
JHQ is the largest NATO base in Europe, and it's largely manned by British personnel. There’s a smattering of Dutch, Czech, American, German and others, but it's mostly Brits. And the British aren't leaving anytime soon...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
You do what every Empire in history has done. You conscript soldiers from another part of the Empire (lots of them) and you place them in country with American officers and support personel. You let them take the war to the enemy while recruiting locals to gradually replace them. Should be nice and stable in a decade or two.
In your case, go to Mexico, recruit 1 Million young men and say serve with us for 10 years and you get American citizenship or a cash bounty to repatriate to Mexico, your choice. You train them in the US put them in country in Iraq and pay their families in Mexico while they serve. The money flowing into Mexico empowers people there, boosts the economy and hopefully bring about usefull change.
This brings most US troops home gets politics out of the equation and tells the Iraqi's that they are screwed because no matter how many they kill there will always be more. Since Arab culture respects force various factions will over time decide to side with the winners.
It is of course completely immoral to the point of being unAmerican but it would get the job done.
Thank you Fletch2, that was the first workable solution anyone has offered. Too bad there's no way in hell Washington has the actual moral certainty to apply such a brutal solution. Even though when the bright light of public scrutiny isn't shining on them they would do much worse. Doing something so callous and manipulative to young Mexican men would be horrible. Pro-immigration groups would cause all kinds of fuss. You know what a hot topic immigration is right now. /sarcasm
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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