Bring the Troops Home...and then??
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Thursday, May 4, 2006 08:10
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I'll say this slowly for you, you seem to be having trouble with it.
My initial post said we can't take the troops out of Iraq, and I doubt we will be able to for sometime. In your own words:
The thread is whether or not it is feasible or advisable to pull the troops out of Iraq NOW.
That is therefore pertinent to this thread.
I supported that by pointing out the continued presence in a comparable situation. Since I'm using it to support my original point, which by your own words is pertinent to this thread, it is pertinent.
You can argue all you like but your wrong, best you just deal with it.
Long story short you can tell me I'm wrong, go for it, but you can't tell me it's not pertinent just because it doesn't support your POV.
Oh and by the fact you still don't have a clue what my point was, when it was fairly obvious kinda proves you either didn't read my post or need to take a night school course in reading comprehension.
Maybe you need me to go over it again, if so just tell me.
So please, go away and actually read my post this time, instead of just assuming you have because you saw the word Germany in it.
Thank you 
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Oh Citizen. Did someone pee in your weetabix this morning?
You are being deliberately obtuse.
It is NOT a good look for you.
I had forgotten the infinite amusement to be found as a female when one disagrees with a british man.
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So now not only are you wrong and refusing to argue the point on merit but your judging me based on which country I was born in and my sex.
And I'm the sexist, right?
Well I guess an evil sexist backward Brit (well that's all British men isn't it) like me isn't worth talking too, being lowly scum and all, so maybe we should just leave it there huh.
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I never said British men were lowly scum.
And one can not argue something on "merit"
when the respondent simply refuses to discuss the point and prefers to make insulting references to ones intelligence.
You don't discuss things on merit Citizen, you attempt to browbeat people into coming over to your way of thinking - and YES I have noticed this particular tendency in a portion of the UK male population. Doesn't mean I am a sexist to point it out.
The fact that you are getting all worked up, and that I can imagine you jumping up and down and stamping your feet - supports my theory that I, as a female, have dared to disagree with you, and you can't deal with it.
Now IF you want to discuss the MERITS of my argument, I am HAPPY to comply. However, as I stated before, since you seem to be incapable of doing so, I will not continue this debate.
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The American responsiibility in reference to Iraq was a moral responsibility to remove a dictator (that we funded) from power and to stop the attrocities perpetrated by his regime. I understand thats not WHY we went there, but it should have been.
We are then responsible in supporting them long enough to begin rebuildingtheir government and to allow them to start rebuilding the country.
It is not our responsibility to force our style of government on them, nor is it our responsibility to stand between the two factions that now exist, and try and stop what amounts to a civil war.
We should begin to withdraw troops, to the borders is a good idea. Allow the country's citizens to resolve it without the interference of the insurgents.
Iraq should be allowed to stand on its own feet and create the type of country they want to be. As long as we "occupy" the area, they will not be able to do so, regardless of our intentions - good or bad.
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I never said British men were lowly scum.
No, I took what you said and I ran with it. What you said is basically all British men are sexist.
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And one can not argue something on "merit"
when the respondent simply refuses to discuss the point and prefers to make insulting references to ones intelligence.
It's also kinda hard to argue on merit when the respondent merely says you’re wrong and tells you that you are sexist.
I also said that was pertinent to this thread. You told me it wasn't, based on taking part of what I said out of context. I didn't bring your intelligence until after you told me I was wrong without anything to back up your statements.
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Doesn't mean I am a sexist to point it out.
You said I was a sexiest when you brought up me being male and you being female like it meant something, based on nothing other than your preconceptions of British men. That's what I was replying to.
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The fact that you are getting all worked up, and that I can imagine you jumping up and down and stamping your feet - supports my theory that I, as a female, have dared to disagree with you, and you can't deal with it.
Actually I smiled when I read your post, it was funny. You imagining what I'm doing proves not a thing, I'm beginning to think that's your chip on your shoulder, it's certainly not mine.
You being a female didn't come into it, to all intents and purposes your a face less avatar to me here, you're the one assuming things based on MY sex.
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However, as I stated before, since you seem to be incapable of doing so, I will not continue this debate.
I outlined why my point was relevant, you called me sexiest. Now back to what I said:
My point is we can't take the troops out of Iraq right now because things would be worse for the Iraqi's. In circumstances in the past where a government has been removed by a foreign power, for whatever reason, the foreign power has remained for sometime, for instance Germany.
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You just don't know when to quit do you?
Thats very sad.
I find it interesting that you presume to tell me what I am thinking.
But as I said. When you want to discuss the merits, let me know.
If you want to continue to blow smoke, go right ahead. You will only make yourself look like and even bigger ass.
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You just don't know when to quit do you?
Thats very sad.
You mean I don't shut up because you've decided I'm not allowed to speak, no I don't. Well done.
I did discuss the merits, here it is again:
My point is we can't take the troops out of Iraq right now because things would be worse for the Iraqi's. In circumstances in the past where a government has been removed by a foreign power, for whatever reason, the foreign power has remained for sometime, for instance Germany.
We can discuss that, or you can insult me again, and call me sexist because I'm British and a man.
Interesting that you presume to tell me the only reason I'll argue my side is because I'm a sexist man. Very interesting.
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"Erm, we can't.
Assuming the Iraqi army is fully manned and operational by next Tuesday and the 'insurgents' all get bored and go away by the following Thursday we could possibly start a staged withdrawal in the next few months.
But back to reality Allied troops are still stationed in Germany, after 60 years. JHQ Rheindahlen is still the largest allied military base in Europe.
I don't see a short term withdrawal as particularly likely."
Let me type this slowly for you Citizen so it sinks in - We are NO LONGER in Germany, today, because we are shoring up WEST GERMANY. We are in Germany, today, because it is expedient for us to be. Your example of us being in Germany as proof that a short term withdrawal of the troops in Iraq MAY have been valid in 1979 - it does NOT work today. We ARE NOT acting as a force to control the region. We ARE NOT protecting the country from invading forces. We are utlizing a strategic area for the "our" countries political, financial and practical gain.
Therefore your use of Germany, in this context, no longer holds merit.
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No need to type slow, I can keep up fine.
End of Second World War:
1945
Taking your date of 1979 (I'd hold that it was later still):
That's 34 years.
Is that not a long time then? Or is it not relevant because it was a few years back like?
Your argument makes no sense, I can use it in 1979 when it was 34 years but I can't use it now, despite it still being a 34 years?
How does the 34 year figure diminish because it was 27 years ago?
Doesn't matter how long ago it was, we still had troops in Germany to prop up the government for sometime. It doesn't matter if those 34 years end next year, last week or 27 years ago, it's still 34 years.
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