Silver Lining... Nuking the US
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UPDATED: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 16:16
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Originally posted by rue:
You can't equate Hanford with Chernobyl. And you can't call Chernobyl a pristine nature preserve.
I think you have me confused with Gino, who, in the lead post of this thread, suggested Chernobyl-style contamination "Might just save the enviroment", and quoted Aljazerra as saying:
"The radioactive no-go zone around Chernobyl has become a rich natural reserve in the 20 years since the accident at the nuclear power plant, with eagles hovering in the air, and lynx, wolves and wild horses wandering around."
I did think it was interesting that these two areas of nuclear pollution were now considered wildlife habitats, but certainly don't propose that as a model for the future. That was Gino. So if you want to rag on someone about it, rag on him.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/money_politics_law/cheating_chernoby
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This doesn't address the thread either, but it was fascinating:
Alexander Yuvchenko was on duty at Chernobyl's reactor number 4 the night it exploded on 26 April 1986. He is one of the few working there that night to have survived. He suffered serious burns and went through many operations to save his life, and he is still ill from the radiation.
How did you end up working at Chernobyl?
I chose it. It was one of the best stations in the Soviet Union, it was a good town to live in, and I had been there for practical work as part of my studies. And it was a good wage. Being a nuclear engineer was a prestigious career - in those days. Nowadays people in Russia prefer to be businessmen and lawyers.
What were you doing the night the reactor exploded?
I was on the night shift. When I turned up I found out that the safety test that had been planned for the day had been put off until the evening. The reactor had already been powered down and so we would just be overseeing its cooling, which is a very easy job. I was thinking that I wouldn't have much to do that night.
What were you doing when you heard the explosion?
I was in my office, talking to a colleague who had come in to ask for some paint, and reading some documents.
What happened?
The first thing I heard wasn't an explosion, it was a thud, a shaking. Then two or three seconds later came the explosion. The doors of my office were blown out. It was like when an old building is demolished, with clouds of dust, but combined with lots of steam. It was a very damp, dusty, powerful movement of air. There was a lot of shaking, a lot of things were falling. The lights went off. Our first thought was to find somewhere we could safely hide. We headed towards the transport corridor, where there was a small passage with a low ceiling. We were standing there and everything was falling around us.
What did you think it was?
When I heard the thud I thought it was something very heavy that had fallen. After that I didn't know. I thought that maybe war had begun.
Did you imagine that it might be the reactor?
I couldn't imagine it was something to do with the reactor. Before it happened there were no vibrations, no sounds, nothing to indicate there was something wrong. We were trained for various emergency situations. We were engineers, and we were trained in what the reactors could or could not do and what could go wrong. We were prepared for fire and other things, but we were not trained for this. We all thought the safety measures were reliable, that if you pressed the emergency stop button to lower the control rods into the reactor - which is what my friend Leonid Toptunov in the control room did that night - that it would stop the power as it was supposed to. But it didn't. People make mistakes, but we thought the safety measures would compensate for that. We believed what we were told in the work manual.
What did you do after the explosion?
I went back to my office and tried to ring the control room for reactor number 4 to find out what had happened, but there was no line. Suddenly the phone from control room number 3 rang. I got a command to bring stretchers. I grabbed the stretchers and ran. Outside the control room I met a friend who had been close to the centre of the explosion. I didn't recognise him. His clothes were black and his face was disfigured because he had been covered in scalding water. I only recognised him by his voice. He told me to go to the site of the explosion because there were others injured. This friend was being tended by others, so I got a torch and ran to find the other operator who had been near the huge coolant tanks.
What did you find?
I got to where I expected to find this person but I couldn't find anything, there was a huge mess. I found him on the other side, he had managed to crawl away. It was the same picture: he was wet, di
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Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".
No. I was responding to "Silver lining...Nuking the US". Maybe your mind-reading powers need a warmup. See if you can discern where I think you should stick your attitude.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".
I did post this as Geezer said, between that article, and the two I posted here on reclaimed Nuclear weapons testing sites ( Bikini atoll and Christmas Island ) it seems to me that twenty years after Baltimore ( or where-ever ) get blown up... Nature will adapt and recover.
The silver lining, the bright side...
It won't be the end of the world like most think, but a bad that will eventually go away... and the recovery will be quicker than New Orleans hurricane damage.
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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The way I see it, densely-populated humans depend on a highly-integrated technological society just to survive. Interrupt something simple as sewage treatment or trash pickup or wire transfers and the whole system collapses with attendant population collapse. Animals? Not so much. They live at a very primitive level.
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Originally posted by rue:
Half an hour after the explosion I had met a man with a dosimeter, he was fully covered so I don't know who it was, and I asked him what the reading was. He showed me the counter, which was off the scale. That was a frightening moment.
That is one of the most unsettling things I've read recently.
In Keannuspeak: Whoahhh.
Chrisisall
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I finally had a chance to read the whole interview through. It made me shudder. I understand that a consortium will be building a new containment building- a 300-ft building in the shape of a Quonset hut that will be made several miles from the reactor site (too radioactive to work nearby) and slid into place on rails. It will cover Reactor 4, the control room, the Sarcophagus... everything. What a mess. From what I've read, the rooms below the reactor are filled with a fused mixture of fuel rods, concrete, and steel. everyhting melted together in the intense heat and slagged the rooms below. I'm not sure if anyone really knows what's down there. I would imagine that the radiation would cause even radiation-hardened remote cameras to go haywire.
As I understand it, the reactor controls- including the control rods- ran on power from the turbines that were powered by the reactor itself. Some time during power-down the reaction went crazy (the reason I heard was that it was an ad hoc experiment in controlling the reactor during power-down) but there wasn't enough juice in the spinning-down turbine to slam down the control rods. If anyone heard anything different I'd be glad to know.
Also, there are areas that are still highly radioactive, including an area just west of the reactor called the Red Forest which received the initial dump of radionuclides. It's called the Red Forest because of the unusula color of the )dead) pine needles.
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Hey Signy, what's you favourite season of Buffy?
(I know, I know, but I never see you on ANY OTHER BOARD!!!!!)
So 
me.
Entirely off topic Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
In your world, up is down and black is white.
Even if that were true, I wouldn't trust you, nor the people who tell you what too think if you told me the sky was up and coloured blue.
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It's truly amazing you talk about stuff (e.g. - the kkk ) which you know NOTHING.
No no no. This is my line; you're messing up your cues and stumbling over other peoples lines again. You see in this scene your motivation is to be an arse, and too assume you know what all Muslims think, based on never actually meeting one, just what some fascist hate mongers say. See, right here in the script:
Citizen: It's truly amazing you talk about stuff about which you know nothing.
AURaptor: True, but if I only spoke on subjects that I had some knowledge of I'd be mute.
Citizen: You have a point.
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Muslims have killed more in the last 6 months than the entire HISTORY of KKK, and yet you want to put both on equal standing.
This is such a stupid thing to say it's barely worth refuting. Not only are you very likely wrong, what with the clan killing thousands and all, you're comparing a single organisation to all Muslims.
You're insinuating all Muslims think the same, have the same goals and outlooks, like some giant gestalt terror entity. Man have you been at PirateNews's happy pills or WHAT?
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Don't know if you're gay or not and frankly don't care. It's funny to see how you can't take a joke, though. Typical.
Hey hey hey, I twist the joke around on you and ya get all defensive and crotchety. Which one of us can't take a joke now?
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As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.
I already told you, I AM coming to Atlanta. I'll be there from the 31 of August till the 5th of September. Flights are booked.
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Hey, he made the offer first. If I do anything less than offer some hospitality, he'll of course roll out a string of insults and pejoratives suggesting I'm not "man enough" to face him. I most certainly am. While I'd much rather agree to disagree and buy the guy a pint, I'm guessing he's not up for that. Who knows, I could be wrong. It's happened before.
Hey now, you said you wanted to shut me up by sticking a sock down my throat, knowing you live in Atlanta I merely pointed out that you had the opportunity if you wanted to try, that's all. I don't think I've actually threatened you yet, have I?
A pint sounds good though, ‘specially if you’re buying, as long as it is a pint, not interested in those stupid continental Europe affairs with some wine glass filled with a thimble of disgusting French larger. Bloody French.
I’ve seen those silly little glass you Americans have beer in, seriously what is up with that?
The only people who do Beer properly in mainland Europe are the Germans, Maß beers of proper Bavarian Larger or Weissbier. They use litres and don't have real pubs but we can let them off the small stuff.
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Siggy, now you're just making stuff up. On Good Friday in Alexandria, Egypt, a knife wielding Muslim man attacked worshippers in 2 Coptic Churches, killing 1 and injuring 15 more.
So it's okay to include a single nutter who kills 1, but not an entire organisation that has killed thousands because they're "small time". Come on now, you MUST have been at PirateNews's happy pills. I'm sorry AU but you should never ever take someone else’s prescription medication. It's very dangerous.
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If you took 1/2 a momment to look at all the events of Islamic terrorism around the world that DON'T involve Israel or Iraq, you couldn't come to any other conclusion that the 2 things are NOT 'exactly right'.
You don't actually realise how many Muslims there are in the world do you? 1.2 Billion. If you're too be believed that's 1.2Billion happy little terrorists who hate freedom and puppies, and wants to blow us all up.
Well frankly my dear if we've got 1.2Billion fanatical terrorists many of whom are already living am
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