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Silver Lining... Nuking the US

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PHOENIXSHIP

Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:04 AM

Just jumping in at the last minute...

Auraptor, your posts are so angry and punitive it's hard to take you seriously. Your responses are full of half truths and misrepresentations, but the worst of it is your juvenile name-calling and hostility.

I'd respectfully direct your attention to the following:

While we have an open policy concerning messages, please be civil when responding to others.

If you're right, you shouldn't need to be so hateful? No?

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:57 AM

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Have you clued into what the REST of the world is worried about ? It's NOT the US, but a crazed nut case in Iran who has said he wants to obliterate at least 1 country, maybe more.

Huh. I think what the rest of the world is worried about is a crazed nutcase with at least 3000 nuclear warheads mounted on ICBMs who has said that God talks to him. And that he wants to take out several countries and has already done so- twice.

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CITIZEN

Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:09 AM

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You judge folks by their religion every bit as much as I do, if not more.

Uhuh, sure I do sweatpea, sure I do. That's why I'm the one saying you can't judge individuals by their religion and your the one calling for the genocide of all Muslims huh.

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I used 'Christians' and the Civil Rights movement here as an EXAMPLE, get it ? It wasn't meant so much as a rining endorsement, but to point out the FACT that there isn't ANY where near the wide spread movement found in the WORLD from the Muslims.

No, you’re spinning and massaging facts to support your position and where you can't do that you just lie. You are setting up Christians as being better than Muslims, now let’s just realise something shall we. The racial marches weren't a religious issue, they were a race issue. Oh and Muslims were involved in the American racial equality movement, a LOT of Muslims, a fact you gloss over nicely, because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. You brought up Muslims not marching against the bombings in London, and a fair parallel on the Christian side is the fact that Protestants NEVER spoke out against the IRA. I could say Protestant silence is deafening, but I'm not a fascist.

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Seems I have to draw some a friggin picture, cause they won't get it any other way.

Oh you want to draw me a picture, okay, like that little horsy you did with your crayons, go to it I'll put it on the fridge when it’s done, there’s a good boy.

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It was a KNOCK ON Islam, and you took it as me praising Christians.

No I took it as a knock on Islam that you were qualifying by saying "Christians are better". So I replied with Christians are no better or worse. That seems to really piss you off, so either you are a Christian or if anyone refutes the American rightwing media your cognitive dissonance kicks in, which is it?

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And I'm fairly certain that in the past 10-20 yrs the body count from Muslims killing Christians, Jews and more Muslims is higher than anyone else's combined.

That's because you can't do anything except regurgitate the pseudo facts you've been spoon-fed. Here's some actual data:

Lord Resistance Army (Uganda): 500,000 dead, over 2 million now live in camps in which 1000 die every week. 25,000 children have been kidnapped.

The troubles in Ireland, Terrorism etc which is all Christian, over 6000.

Ku Kluk Klan...

God's Army...

Nagaland Rebels...

I suppose you've not heard of the 'ethnic cleansing' of predominantly Albanians (Muslims) by the Serbs and Croats (Christians)? Happened in a little place called Bosnia, you probably haven't heard of it.

Oh and Christians played a big part in the Holocaust, and ethnic cleansings throught Europe during the 2nd World War. When you say "I don't care about what happened in the past" what you mean is you don't care about the truth, you only care about believing what your told.

Your the most Anti-American member of these boards, America is supposed to be about freedom of speech and religion, not freedom to live your life in a way sanctioned by AURaptor and George Bush.

Oh and since you brought in the Jews I'm sure you see Israel as a black and white issue, except 3 times the number of Palestinians have been killed as Israelis.

I could go on all day, but there's no point, you brain has a blind spot for facts.

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This doesn't have a fucking thing to do w/ the Nazis, so get that Hitler stick out of your ass and wake the hell up.

Nooo, it could never happen here, just like it could never happen in Germany. You could never get a whole group of people being demonised here, how about you wake up you petty minded little wannabe fascist.

I'll take the 'Hitler stick' out of my 'ass' when you take George Bush's cock out of your mouth.

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It's funny that you bring up what was said about Judaism, when they did nothing but try to live their own lives, and the Muslims of today

The majority of Muslims want to just live th

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenixship:
Just jumping in at the last minute...

Auraptor, your posts are so angry and punitive it's hard to take you seriously. Your responses are full of half truths and misrepresentations, but the worst of it is your juvenile name-calling and hostility.

I'd respectfully direct your attention to the following:

While we have an open policy concerning messages, please be civil when responding to others.

If you're right, you shouldn't need to be so hateful? No?

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

Funny you see only the name calling when it's me responding to others post. Funnyou don't find the concept of 'nuking the US ' as hateful, yet my replies are what concern you.

I'm not the one who initiated the vulgarity. I'm not the one who initiated the 'modest proposal ' of nuking a country.

Me thinks you should check your own priorities.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:46 PM

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No, you’re spinning and massaging facts to support your position and where you can't do that you just lie. You are setting up Christians as being better than Muslims, now let’s just realise something shall we. The racial marches weren't a religious issue, they were a race issue. Oh and Muslims were involved in the American racial equality movement, a LOT of Muslims, a fact you gloss over nicely, because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. You brought up Muslims not marching against the bombings in London, and a fair parallel on the Christian side is the fact that Protestants NEVER spoke out against the IRA. I could say Protestant silence is deafening, but I'm not a fascist.

No, I wasn't spinning. I said what I meant, and said it for a reason. The marches in the South were indeed viewd ( by Christians ) as a religous issue. All are God's children, they'd say. And yes, they plainly DID march. It's been a religious issue for some ever since this country was founded, but that's just more info you don't want to hear, thus it must be wrong. Now, if you want to associate Malcom X and the Nation of Islam as being true Muslims, then there are your Muslims. But as of today, Louis Farakahn is no less racist than your favorite subject - the Nazis.

You use the Protestants NOT marching over in Ireland as a parallel to Muslims not marching all across the world. While that's a valid issue to discuss, it side steps the main point. Why haven't Muslims risen up and spoken out for peace ? Deal w/ TODAY, please.

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No I took it as a knock on Islam that you were qualifying by saying "Christians are better". So I replied with Christians are no better or worse. That seems to really piss you off, so either you are a Christian or if anyone refutes the American rightwing media your cognitive dissonance kicks in, which is it?

What annoyed me was the error of your claim, that Christians were ' no better or worse'. While clearly they have their flaws ( Catholic Priest scadal to Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas ), by objective standards, Christianity IS better. Every religion is better, because no other religion tolerates so much hatred, murder and degregation of their woman as Muslims do today. You'd turn a blind eye toward Islam and its autrocities while vilifying Chrisitans for far lesser crimes. You love to bring up the Crusades and the Inquisition. Fine, all very horrible and all very far back in the past. Islam is living by those outdated standards today, in the 21st CENTURY! You're all full of fire in correctly condemning Christians for their misdeeds 100's of yrs ago, yet you ignore what is happening in the world you live in now. I find that odd indeed.

You speak of Africa, where Muslims still trade in the slave trade TODAY! As for the genocide there, all are w/ out sin. Everyone has stood around and merely watched it happen.

The KKK ? ha ha! They're a goofy fringe group that has been cast to the trash heap of history. And sure, there exist nut case white supremist groups today, but i don't see them driving car bombs into markets or flying planes into buildings. Want to talk about Tim McVeigh? He and his band were universally condemned by all Americans - save for the few lost losers who find their way into such anarchy cults. You're comparing mountains to mole hills there.

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I suppose you've not heard of the 'ethnic cleansing' of predominantly Albanians (Muslims) by the Serbs and Croats (Christians)? Happened in a little place called Bosnia, you probably haven't heard of it.

Yeah, it was the big bad evil USA that helped in putting an end to all that 'ethnic cleansing' I seem to recall that the US HELPED the Muslims in that case. How'd that work out for us in the Muslim world , btw ? Oh, lots of graditue, huh? I can just feel the love. Almost as much love as was felt in helping the Afghans fight the Soviet Red Army. I wonder if everyone would have liked it better if we had just let Russia own Afghanistan. What do YOU think ?

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Your the most Anti-Am

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CITIZEN

Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You use the Protestants NOT marching over in Ireland as a parallel to Muslims not marching all across the world. While that's a valid issue to discuss, it side steps the main point. Why haven't Muslims risen up and spoken out for peace ? Deal w/ TODAY, please.

These are issues of today. The IRA and PIRA still exist; Protestants are still not speaking out against them. Muslims have spoken out for peace, at least as vocally as Christians in similar circumstances; some people are just too biased to hear them.

Deal with reality, please.

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By objective standards, Christianity IS better.

Actually you mean by your warped continuingly ignorant view and standards...

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Every religion is better, because no other religion tolerates so much hatred, murder and degregation of their woman as Muslims do today.

Except for people like, you know Christians in those parts of the World. You know the Christians who commit honour killings, oppress their Women so on and so forth, guess it's a culture thing, rather than a religion thing, but you'd need to actually look for facts yourself, rather than waiting for FOX news to spoon-feed them to you.

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Islam is living by those outdated standards today, in the 21st CENTURY!

The one's predominantly living in western countries aren’t. The Christians living in the Middle East, Pakistan etc act just like these evil Muslims of yours, so basically culture, not religion.

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You're all full of fire in correctly condeming Christians for their misdeeds 100's of yrs ago, yet you ignore what is happening in the world you live in now.

Erm, no, I just have perspective on what is really going on, where you're functioning from a filtered twisted view based on your complete and total ignorance of Islam. I see that these violent acts are happening in comparable ratios irregardless of religion in these regions, you're 'perspective' is based on the popular American media which seems to have a hard-on for Muslims.

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You speak of Africa, where Muslims still trade in the slave trade TODAY! As for the genocide there, all are w/ out sin.

My argument was nowhere near as biased as yours, and was supported by facts, facts you've not been unable to refute. The LRA is operating TODAY. I like the way you actually agree with my entire point here while you’re trying to refute it, yeah Christians and Muslims, both as bad, or as good as each other.

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The KKK ? ha ha! They're a goofy fringe group that has been cast to the trash heap of history.

Only comparatively recently, you asked for stuff in the last 40 odd years, KKK applies as they were burning and murdering people back then. Recent history applies, or if you want to change the rules you can't include any Islamic terrorism because nothing has been done today, this hour, what ever narrow time frame you want to use. Knowing your love of using a narrow warped point of view and to hell with reality I’d hazard a guess that the time frame you want to discuss is 8:45 a.m too 10:28 a.m on September 11th 2001.

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Yeah, it was the big bad evil USA that helped in putting an end to all that 'ethnic cleansing' I seem to recall that the US HELPED the Muslims in that case. How'd that work out for us in the Muslim world , btw ? Oh, lots of graditue, huh?

Well if you think the USA is evil that's up to you, though the peacekeepers in Bosnia were mostly British, French, Canadian and Spanish. It was a UN, not US operation, spin it however you wish though. However, have you spoken to any of the ethnic Albanians? No! So I guess you don't know if they're grateful or not, huh.

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And I'm pro American becasue of the freedom of speech AND religion ( or the lack there of )

You talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.

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Again, for your absurd analogy to have any merrit, Bush would have to be dictator, and the Jews would have had to have a history of blowing up people.[/

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:27 PM

citizen - In your world, up is down and black is white. It's truly amazing you talk about stuff (e.g. - the kkk ) which you know NOTHING. Muslims have killed more in the last 6 months than the entire HISTORY of KKK, and yet you want to put both on equal standing.

Don't know if you're gay or not and frankly don't care. It's funny to see how you can't take a joke, though. Typical.

As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.

Children, please!

This is getting to be like the old west, High Noon...

Can't we all just, well, if not get along, at least not threaten eachother?
Chrisisall, who'll kick butts if the threats don't stop

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:48 PM

Auraptor... can I call you Rap for short? Feel free to call me Siggy. Thanks.

Christianity has a long history of degrading women. While the early Church was more egalitarian, it took a right turn shortly after Paul.

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I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet women shall be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with modesty.- Timothy

So, to see what Islam says about women, I went to the source- The Qur'an itself:

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You can never be equitable in dealing with more than one wife, no matter how hard you try. Therefore, do not be so biased as to leave one of them hanging (neither enjoying marriage, nor left to marry someone else). If you correct this situation and maintain righteousness, GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
You shall give the women their due dowries, equitably. If they willingly forfeit anything, then you may accept it; it is rightfully yours.
The men get a share of what the parents and the relatives leave behind. The women too shall get a share of what the parents and relatives leave behind. Whether it is a small or a large inheritance, (the women must get) a definite share.
A woman witnessed by four people in the act of committing adultery on four different occasions, with four different partners, represents a danger to public health. Such a woman is a depository of germs, and a health quarantine protects the society from her. A good example of an exit that saves a quarantined woman is marriage--someone may wish to marry her, and thus protect her and the society.
If the couple must decide to part, GOD will provide for each of them from His bounties. GOD is Bounteous, Most Wise.

As in the early Xtian church, there were respected women Islamic scholars

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During the lifetime of the Prophet, many women had been not only the instance for the evolution of many traditions, but had also been their transmitters to their sisters and brethren in faith.3 After the Prophet's death, many women Companions, particularly his wives, were looked upon as vital custodians of knowledge, and were approached for instruction by the other Companions, to whom they readily dispensed the rich store which they had gathered in the Prophet's company. The names of Hafsa, Umm Habiba, Maymuna, Umm Salama, and A'isha, are familiar to every student of hadith as being among its earliest and most distinguished transmitters.4 In particular, A'isha is one of the most important figures in the whole history of hadith literature - not only as one of the earliest reporters of the largest number of hadith, but also as one of their most careful interpreters.

Both religions started out at about the same place and went through cycles of relative repressions and freedom for women (mainly repression) but the greatest impact on the treatment of women has been cultural and economic.

I hope you look at this carefully.

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Free as in freedom, not beer.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:15 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.

Children, please!

This is getting to be like the old west, High Noon...

Can't we all just, well, if not get along, at least not threaten eachother?
Chrisisall, who'll kick butts if the threats don't stop

Hey, he made the offer first. If I do anything less than offer some hospitality, he'll of course roll out a string of insults and pejoratives suggesting I'm not "man enough" to face him. I most certainly am. While I'd much rather agree to disagree and buy the guy a pint, I'm guessing he's not up for that. Who knows, I could be wrong. It's happened before.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "