Silver Lining... Nuking the US

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CITIZEN

Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:35 PM

Firstly I don't give a flying fuck what you are. I expect no one else does either, your the one who judges people based on their religion, not me.

I'm fairly certain the body count from Christians is higher than that of Muslims, now very possibly, historically defiantly. So no, Christians don't get to say "we're better than them" although they do, and it works on people who are incapable of reading and looking things up that happen outside of their home state.

As ussual you clarify something as a moot point, when you don't no what your talking about .

But to answer an earlier 'point' (we must use the term loosely):

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quite vocal ? Please, give me a break. How many 100O's showed up en mass to march against the bombings in the UK ?

Oh you mean protestants marching against bombings committed by the IRA? None, as far as I know.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

CITIZEN

Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I see this thread is going in the "Christianity is bad too" direction.

Excuse me? AURaptor brought up Christians not me, actually he brought race into it too, but I prefer to deal with one bigotry at a time. It would be nice to see a discussion on Islamic terrorism without some ignorant shortsighted moron standing up and saying "Well Islam is evil and Muslims are all terrorists!".

I think its a shame you can't critises Christianity without someone saying "Muslims are worse!" or "Your a terrorist!" or some far right christian group sending you death threats if you do it in public. If Christianity is so great and nobel why does it's practioners have to deamonise other religions, pray tell.

If your qualifying Islam being evil by saying Christianity isn't like that, when it blatently is, then pointing out Christianity's failings is both required and warranted.

Oh and I'm not making any distinctions about Christianity being 'bad'. I'm merely pointing out that Islam and Christianity are no worse than each other, any judgements made on that score so far are entirely yours and AURaptors.

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If Islam is such a great religion, it should be defendable without people pointing fingers at other religions and saying they're no better.

And how else do you do it? This is a stupid thing too say. If I were to say, and I'm not I have to qualify that for AURaptors sake, that America is evil its perfectly reasonable to respond by comparing it to other nations. This is exactly the same thing, you may not like it since it prevents you from painting Islam and Muslims with a broad brush as all evil terrorists, but there you go.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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KHYRON

Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:57 PM

Fine, whatever, it's just that I can really see this thread becoming a 200+ posts monstrosity going along the lines of:

"Islam is bad because of this and that"
"Oh yeah? Well, Chrsitians did this and that too!"
"That's not true, the circumstances were different, and that was a long time ago."
"How were the circumstances different!? Who cares when it happened, it happened!"

etc, etc, etc.

How did this happen anyway? The thread started off being about Chernobyl and possible nuclear disasters in the US...

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Originally posted by citizen:
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If Islam is such a great religion, it should be defendable without people pointing fingers at other religions and saying they're no better.

And how else do you do it? This is a stupid thing too say. If I were to say, and I'm not I have to qualify that for AURaptors sake, that America is evil its perfectly reasonable to respond by comparing it to other nations.

I don't agree, I think one should defend something by looking at the merits of that something and not at the negative aspects of other things of that type.

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Originally posted by citizen:
This is exactly the same thing, you may not like it since it prevents you from painting Islam and Muslims with a broad brush as all evil terrorists, but there you go.

I haven't attempted to paint Islam and Muslims as terrorists and fuck you for implying I did just by disagreeing with the way you argue your points. I really do resent that.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CITIZEN

Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
How did this happen anyway? The thread started off being about Chernobyl and possible nuclear disasters in the US...

Right here:

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
It's Islam. Many will try to tell you that it's a radical faction, a tiny % of all real Muslims around the world, but their silence over such horrific acts is deafening.

I'm sorry if it upsets you but I remember hearing about these people called Nazis and what they had to say on the subject of Judaism, so I'm not going to sit silently while some ignorant fool spouts more of this sort of crap. They may not be coming for me yet but they might some day.

If you want me to stop shouting down wannabe tools of facsists get them to stop posting their racist crap, don't try and chastise me for it.

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"That's not true, the circumstances were different, and that was a long time ago."

It always is when it's 'your side' doing it.

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I don't agree, I think one should defend something by looking at the merits of that something and not at the negative aspects of other things of that type.

What like the vast majority of Muslims aren't violent terrorists, like how the Quran is all about peace and forgiveness and even religious understanding, that sort of thing? Then how am I aloud to respond when someone says "yeah but Christians are better, never see Christian terrorists do you!". Since I'm not aloud to compare Islam to other religions but you have no problem with the reverse?

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I haven't attempted to paint Islam and Muslims as terrorists and fuck you for implying I did just by disagreeing with the way you argue your points. I really do resent that.

No, fuck you for jumping down my throat for replying to AURaptor with a perfectly valid rebuttle to his statments. He brought Christians in, not me, but you jump on me, not him and his arguments. You don't tell him to argue Islam on it's merits not by comparing them to Christians, WHEN HE WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT! Why is that, exactly? I really do resent that.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

KHYRON

Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
No, f*** you for jumping down my throat for replying to AURaptor with a perfectly valid rebuttle to his statments. He brought Christians in, not me, but you jump on me, not him and his arguments. You don't tell him to argue Islam on it's merits not by comparing them to Christians, WHEN HE WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT! Why is that, exactly? I really do resent that.

I can understand your frustration because I know that it seems like I'm ganging up with AURaptor, but that's not the case, and I wouldn't say I was jumping down your throat, it was a suggestion and you seem to have taken it a bit too personally.

I don't agree with AURaptor but I find it pointless to argue with him. I just think that if one does argue with him, one shouldn't do it on his terms. At the moment it seems like he made the statement "Islam is bad, Christianity is better", and instead of arguing along the lines of "No, Islam isn't all bad, just look at this and that", you're arguing along the lines of "Christianity isn't better, just look at this and that". He isn't Christian, so he doesn't really care about your counterarguments regarding Christianity. At the moment, he made the claim that Islam is made up mostly of terrorists and there hasn't been any decent counterargument to that.

But I didn't want to get dragged into this and I see that I have, so I'll stop now. Just in future don't automatically assume that if I don't agree with what you say or how you argue something that I'm on your opponent's side. I really don't like that and in this case I do resent it (as you saw by my strong reaction to it).

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CITIZEN

Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:43 AM

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Just in future don't automatically assume that if I don't agree with what you say or how you argue something that I'm on your opponent's side.

I was basing it on two things, who you were talking too, and the wording of your post, which came across more supportive of the "Islam, bad" argument than neutral. The "why don't people defend Islam on merit?" can very easily be suggestive within the context of the current discussion.

If your opening post had been worded more like this one, my reaction, had there been one, wouldn't have been as strong.

I apologise for any misunderstanding.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

KHYRON

Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I apologise for any misunderstanding.

Accepted without hesitation. I apologise for any provocation my wording may have caused.

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The "why don't people defend Islam on merit?" can very easily be suggestive within the context of the current discussion.

Seems like it. Basically, I think ANYTHING should be defended firstly on its merit.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by citizen:
No, f*** you for jumping down my throat for replying to AURaptor with a perfectly valid rebuttle to his statments. He brought Christians in, not me, but you jump on me, not him and his arguments. You don't tell him to argue Islam on it's merits not by comparing them to Christians, WHEN HE WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT! Why is that, exactly? I really do resent that.

I can understand your frustration because I know that it seems like I'm ganging up with AURaptor, but that's not the case, and I wouldn't say I was jumping down your throat, it was a suggestion and you seem to have taken it a bit too personally.

I don't agree with AURaptor but I find it pointless to argue with him. I just think that if one does argue with him, one shouldn't do it on his terms. At the moment it seems like he made the statement "Islam is bad, Christianity is better", and instead of arguing along the lines of "No, Islam isn't all bad, just look at this and that", you're arguing along the lines of "Christianity isn't better, just look at this and that". He isn't Christian, so he doesn't really care about your counterarguments regarding Christianity. At the moment, he made the claim that Islam is made up mostly of terrorists and there hasn't been any decent counterargument to that.

But I didn't want to get dragged into this and I see that I have, so I'll stop now. Just in future don't automatically assume that if I don't agree with what you say or how you argue something that I'm on your opponent's side. I really don't like that and in this case I do resent it (as you saw by my strong reaction to it).

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

I know, off topic...

Would you accept my arguement that the actions of Muslim countries is a reaction to wrongs which have been committed over and over by Western countries for 100 years now ?

While I accept the two wrongs don't make right theory most of the time, I see the wests inability to admit their mistakes as a barrier to resolving the issues which brought the world to this place.

When we went off topic I suggested the road or path the US is on will bring about a nuclear attack on its soil, the history of US interference in regional politics in my opinion will be the bricks in this road. Now with this, it is not just the Islamic states, or Muslims I am talking about... US foreign policy in Latin America the past sixty years, Asia, Europe.....

It is just the Arab / Muslims that are angry enough now... hell in twenty years it might be the Canadians out for blood. Religion provides motivation and rhetoric, the reasons for this war have more substance.

and AURaptor.... I don't much care for your opinions... argue with someone else

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:07 AM

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and AURaptor.... I don't much care for your opinions... argue with someone else

Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn.

But don't go making assinine comments about 'nuking the U.S. ' and not expect to hear from me.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Firstly I don't give a flying fuck what you are. I expect no one else does either, your the one who judges people based on their religion, not me.

I'm fairly certain the body count from Christians is higher than that of Muslims, now very possibly, historically defiantly. So no, Christians don't get to say "we're better than them" although they do, and it works on people who are incapable of reading and looking things up that happen outside of their home state.

As ussual you clarify something as a moot point, when you don't no what your talking about .

But to answer an earlier 'point' (we must use the term loosely):
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quite vocal ? Please, give me a break. How many 100O's showed up en mass to march against the bombings in the UK ?

Oh you mean protestants marching against bombings committed by the IRA? None, as far as I know.

You judge folks by their religion every bit as much as I do, if not more. I used 'Christians' and the Civil Rights movement here as an EXAMPLE, get it ? It wasn't meant so much as a rining endorsement, but to point out the FACT that there isn't ANY where near the wide spread movement found in the WORLD from the Muslims. There's no protest on their part to stand up against the terrorist who saw off the heads of innocent men/ women while priasing Allah. Seems I have to draw some a friggin picture, cause they won't get it any other way. It was a KNOCK ON Islam, and you took it as me praising Christians.

And I'm fairly certain that in the past 10-20 yrs the body count from Muslims killing Christians, Jews and more Muslims is higher than anyone else's combined. I don't give a fuck about 800 yrs ago, none of us were alive back then. I care about TODAY, for starters, and tomorrow.

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
It's Islam. Many will try to tell you that it's a radical faction, a tiny % of all real Muslims around the world, but their silence over such horrific acts is deafening.

I'm sorry if it upsets you but I remember hearing about these people called Nazis and what they had to say on the subject of Judaism, so I'm not going to sit silently while some ignorant fool spouts more of this sort of crap. They may not be coming for me yet but they might some day.

If you want me to stop shouting down wannabe tools of facsists get them to stop posting their racist crap, don't try and chastise me for it.

This doesn't have a fucking thing to do w/ the Nazis, so get that Hitler stick out of your ass and wake the hell up. It's funny that you bring up what was said about Judaism, when they did nothing but try to live their own lives, and the Muslims of today, who simply want to annihilate - who? The Jews, for starters. And the rest of the West , for good measure. Don't know how the Chinese feel about being over rum by Allah's Army, but I think they can fend for themselves well enough. Just look around the world and see where nutties for Allah are doing all manner of unspeakable things, and you compare THAT to the Jews of the 1920's /30's ??

And oh yeah, nice try w/ the protestants and N.I. Completely ignores the point I was talking about Muslims. If they've done any widely publicized marching for peace, you can direct me to the link. If you CAN'T, then stuff a sock in your noise hole and pipe down.

I think you just put your ignorant fool cap back on.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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